Steve, this was the banter between an old member Magellan, and myself. We got into a pretty heated debate about rebadging. I think this will help you understand my reasoning for it. Please take a few minutes and read it all.
Magellan wrote:Well, I have to give you credit for your tenacity. Not only have you debadged, you’ve under-badged, trying to make your G35 a Nissan. It won’t work for anyone who knows cars and knows that the Skyline 350GT is not sold in this country (We covered this with our friend in the G37 forum who did the same thing).However, if you really wanted to do a complete job, you must also move the driving position and gauges over to the right, and replace everything that says Infiniti or has the logo like the steering wheel, clock, carpets, seat backs, rim hubs, engine cover, trunk mat, rocker panels, keys, fob, and of course, the owner’s manuals. That should cost you around $8,000, but you would then have a real Skyline.
Center caps (wheel hubs) and engine cover have been done.
No one ever sees the trunk, since it is a really rare occasion that it gets opened. Floor mats were replaced with something you would probably not approve of, but is practical for me, since it rains 250 days a year here, and I don't want to trash the interior.Steering wheel and rocker panels are next to be done.Clock's logo was simply "removed". RHD conversion is not something I care to do, since I have been driving on the left side of a car for 19 years. I drove a RHD Volvo while I stayed in England, and driving on the left side of the road was easy, driving from the right side of the car was much more difficult than one would imagine.I'll do the keys if the stock ones wear out.As far as them not being the same car, I beg to differ with you. But if you want to start a pissing match about that, please start another thread.As far as your smug comment about me "under-badging" my car, I have a few things to say about that. Read these very carefully.
1. Your car was over-badged at the factory.
2. I like it, so I'm not concerned with those who don't.
3. In most countries, there isn't such a thing as Infiniti, Acura or Lexus. People know their cars well enough to know that a Nissan Cima (M45) is a much nicer car than a Nissan Sentra, and also know that a Toyota Altezza (IS300) is a much nicer car than a Toyota Corolla. If I want to prove status or wealth, I will show off my Louis Vuitton wallet, or break out my checkbook and not my car.
I respect your opinion about the fact that you abhor people who rebadge their cars. However if you don't like it, and have nothing positive to say, why bother wasting your time trying to take the wind out of someone's sails?
I personally think that every car should be modified, to make it personal, show your style, and just like a house, make it a more comfortable place to inhabit.
However if you start a thread saying that you think this car is perfect, and how much you love the stock "this and that" I wouldn't come in your thread and try to discourage you from your feelings of happiness. I would either congratulate you for the feelings of happiness that your car gives you, or I wouldn't say anything at all.
BTW, you should stick around the forums long enough to get to know a few of us, instead of popping in to troll and make inflammatory comments.
Magellan wrote:Frankly, you seem to be putting words in my mouth that are both inaccurate and unfair. For example:I never said I abhor people who rebadge their cars.I never said this car is perfect.Then you went on to suggest my comments were inflammatory and I was trolling. If this is how you discuss and debate on these threads with no flare nor understanding for my tongue-in-cheek humor, then I’ll just bud out. You may have been right that I was wasting my time
Don't get butthurt and leave. Rarely do I enjoy to debate. This isn't too bad. When you cast comments in a negative light, on how someone has done their car, and is proudly showing it off in a picture thread, it usually will be considered inflammatory. Inflammatory commenting and trolling are pretty much one in the same. I am not trying to put words into your mouth. I assumed (which I shouldn't do) that you abhor rebadging since you always have something negative to say about it.
I never said you said that the car is perfect. I said "However if you start ..."
I also didn't think you were trying to be humorous, since I have read your responses to this topic before.
Oh, Magellan, I did forget to mention that my dream car is a Nissan Skyline GTR (R34). I won't ever pay the ridiculous sums of money necessary to buy a legalized version of this car. I will also not own an illegal version. I am not going to import a JDM Skyline "G35" since I can buy one here (USDM "Skyline" G35) and would still have to go through legalization hassles. I would love to buy the new Nissan GTR, but it is out of my price range, and isn't a Skyline. It's a Nissan GTR. If this is as close as I can get to owning my dream car, then for the time being I'll enjoy it. I didn't buy this car thinking that I was buying an Infiniti G35, I bought the USDM Nissan Skyline. That makes me happy.
Magellan wrote:Are you calling me stupid or just the idea of converting to RHD?
Well, you may be surprised to know that I agree with you; it is a stupid idea. But that’s not the same as taking a car that’s delivered to the U.S. market as an Infiniti G37 and re-badging it to make appear to be a Skyline 370GT (other than your Australian car which may be a real Skyline). It’s a replica, IMHO, down to the sheet metal and drive train, but there are too many items, as I mentioned before, that would have to be changed to make it an authentic 370GT. In addition to all the other items previously listed, the nav button lettering on real 370GT’s is in Japanese, and the VIN would need to be changed. Put your VIN in a decoder like I did with mine and it will come back as an Infiniti G37! And of course it's illegal to tamper with a car's VIN. So the whole thing appears to be a bit misguided to me.
But what I really want to know, and this is a sincere question, is why do some of you do it? Why under-badge at all? To me, it’s tantamount to re-badging a Lexus ES into a Toyota Camry, or a Mercury Sable into a Ford Taurus. I’m sure there are other cars for which this could be done. But forgetting the snob appeal argument for a second, why would anybody want to do this? Enlighten this old man with something he finds quite odd.
First, rebadging a Lexus to a Camry is WAY different. A Lexus GS in the JDM is a Toyota Aristo, a Lexus SC is a Toyota Soarer, and a Lexis IS is a Toyota Altezza.
Reasons why I rebadged;
The Skyline heritage, just as Andy-V35 stated.
My dream car is a Nissan Skyline GTR. This may not be a Skyline GTR, but it still is a Skyline, just USDM, not JDM. When I bought this car, *to me* I wasn't buying an Infiniti G35, but I was buying the USDM Nissan Skyline.
You probably are wondering, why didn't I put the GTR badge on my "Skyline"?Simple, it is a Skyline in many other countries, but it isn't a Skyline GTR. I would not take away from the GTR name buy falsely applying it to this car. Now if I dropped an RB26DETT into this car, then I *might* consider adding the GTR badge, but not even sure about that.
Another reason, and you'll like this one:I have had more people look at my car in the last two weeks since I rebadged it, than in the ten months prior that I have owned it. It is a great feeling when someone pulls up from behind you, just to give you a thumbs up. I like the feeling I get when I walk out of the store and someone is looking at my car, and says "nice car". That never happened when I had the Infiniti emblems.
When asked "How did you legalize your Skyline?", I replied, "Easy, anyone can do it. Go to the Infiniti dealership in Fife, they have them on the lot". I won't lie like the kid in the beautiful car thread, and say that I imported it myself.
Now it is an import. My car was manufactured and assembled in Tochigi Japan. 0% US parts. I didn't import it, but it sure wasn't made in the US, and that means it had to have been imported. For that matter, it is assembled in the same factory, and starts on the same assembly line as the Skyline.
Aside of some trim pieces, and drive side, it is a Skyline. The body, power train, and most all the rest of the car is exactly the same. The chassis code (V-35), engine code (VQ35DE) and transmission code (RE5R05A RC33) are the same. Even the paint code (WV2) is the same. The 11th generation (V35) Nissan Skyline, introduced in June 2001, is based on Nissan's FM (front midship) platform, which is shared with the 350Z. The Nissan Skyline uses a front-midship engine (VQ35DE), rear-wheel drive layout (all-wheel drive is available for the sedan) to achieve a 52%/48% weight distribution. The V35 also marks the first generation of Skyline made for export to the United States. There it is sold under the company's luxury brand, Infiniti, as the Infiniti G35.Bold was quoted from an archived page from Nissan's global website.
Also, I don't feel that I have "under-badged" it at all. (please stop saying "under-badging", it has been re-badged, which I'll explain)First, to "under-badge" as I interpret the sense you are using the word, would be if I had slapped a Sentra badge on the car. I didn't do that. I have badged it the same way that the car is sold in more countries then as an Infiniti. The only countries that the Infiniti brand is sold are: U.S., Canada, Russia, the Middle East and Korea. If the car wasn't sold as a Skyline in all other countries, I would almost feel as if I had "over-badged" it. If you really are into Nissans, and know about the Skyline heritage, and what an outstanding car it is it would probably help to understand the reasons why people do this, aside of the attention factor that I stated earlier.
Look at it like this. In the United States, we have an apple. The exact same fruit in Mexico is called manzana, in Korea it is sa gua (사과). Whatever you want to call it, it's still a Malus.
Hopefully this helps answer your question, and gives you some understanding behind the reasons why we do what we do.