Backing up TMS on this one about the GTR.

[themadscientist]

The new GT-R will do her for you.

[ddgsxr504]

The new GT-R will do her for you.

Yea it will prolly go something like this.....

Dealer: Yep your heated seats are broken.You: Can you fix it under warranty?Dealer: Sorry sir but the black box says you had sex on them and the warranty doesn't cover "love juices", also the black box tells us that the car had to finish your girl off for you. You:

[JustinStrife]

Yea it will prolly go something like this.....

Dealer: Yep your heated seats are broken.You: Can you fix it under warranty?Dealer: Sorry sir but the black box says you had sex on them and the warranty doesn't cover "love juices", also the black box tells us that the car had to finish your girl off for you. You:

[AZhitman]

How does everyone gloss over"-The fluid lists at 80 dollars a quart. It costs dealerships 49.99 a quart."

I understand some mark up.... but $80 for a ****ing quart? $50 at cost? I am sure its special formulation just for the car, but that is bull ****. $800 of fluid is a joke.

Of ALL people, you should know this isn't ridiculous.

Bulk oil breaks down to about .10 per quart... You pay how much at the dealer?Oil filters by the pallet break down to about $3. You pay how much?A packet of the popclips that Nissan uses for everything costs $8 for 1000 of them. You pay $3.98 for 4 of them.

A markup of 100% is a BARGAIN.

[themadscientist]

Yea it will prolly go something like this.....

Dealer: Yep your heated seats are broken.You: Can you fix it under warranty?Dealer: Sorry sir but the black box says you had sex on them and the warranty doesn't cover "love juices", also the black box tells us that the car had to finish your girl off for you. You:

Hahaha!

Yeah Nissan doesn't approve the location either. GPS confirms you were in a Jack in the box parking lot at the time.

[alphapig]

Lolz, bet that would have never happend if it had that extra pedal on the left.

Dude, it's right here:

And naturally if there was a clutch, all you pro drivers would handle the 470 torque expertly

[Oatmealman]

I believe it's 470ft/lbs torque.

[themadscientist]

Dude, it's right here:

And naturally if there was a clutch, all you pro drivers would handle the 470 torque expertly

That is called a dead pedal. It's a place to rest your left foot comfortably as it atrophies, like your driving skill as the car does it for you.

No, most would have trouble managing the power. Congradulations, THAT'S THE POINT! Having stepped into serious vehicles and realize it's up to you to DRIVE the vehicle, not ride along I can tell you sucessfully containing a beast with authority is an amazing experience. Sadly while the R is powerful and I am sure can be made unstable at extremes its driver will never really experience that rush that a real sports car that could kill you at any moment should bring on.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

15 launches??? I dunno about that, that sounds a little made up. The GTR I rode in had had the piss beaten out of it. I gurantee that went through way more than 15 launches.

I want more sources to back that fact up. This **** is becoming a god damn witch hunt.

[themadscientist]

Apparently straight from Nissan-sponsored training. That is good enough for me.

One of my techs just got back from a special Nissan training GTR deal. Here are some interesting Facts.-Can only launch the car 15 times before the transmission gives out. The most Nissan has got was 34 launches.-The fluid lists at 80 dollars a quart. It costs dealerships 49.99 a quart. The car takes 10 quarts.-The warranty depends on the driving, there is a black box in it just like an airplane.-Customers have to sign a waiver stating they will not complain about brake or transmission noise.-The brakes MUST be replaced at the same time, cost for replacing 6500.-If something goes wrong other than an oil change at the dealership, a special team needs to be called and your outta a car for a while.

So yea. Sounds promising. Sounds fast, for a couple of months.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

meh, one guy on the internet says someone he knows went to nissan training and this is what they told him. Purple monkey dishwasher.

What happens when the transmission "goes"? Does it not launch 100% anymore? Does it slip under extreme conditions? Does it pop out of gear and leave you stranded somewhere? Does it explode, take out the trans tunnel, and send chunks of old clutch and alluminum up your ***? I WANNA KNOW!

I'll try and email some people at work tomorrow about it (BorgWarner, the supplier for the trans). I might not get answers tomorrow, but I will get to the bottom of this!

[themadscientist]

Good stuff, let us know what you find out.

[SEV6]

Good stuff, let us know what you find out.

Lol

Tom at least sounds legit.

[JustinStrife]

Dude, it's right here:

And naturally if there was a clutch, all you pro drivers would handle the 470 torque expertly

This is on a dynojet so it works itself out to about 540bhp and 500ft/tq on a 6spd manual, 3300 lbs, RWD, and no launch control car. Haven't had any problems yet.

[alphapig]

^ Well then I am truly proud of you.

[HashiriyaS14]

I can't say I'm really surprised about the trans.

Launching AWD cars is usually a bad idea, too much traction, tires won't spin, trans goes boom.

I don't like that this is the case with the factory launch control though. The launch control feature should slip the clutch to preserve the life of the transmission, IMO. That's how it works on most cars with launch control.

[Murdered_T]

meh, one guy on the internet says someone he knows went to nissan training and this is what they told him. Purple monkey dishwasher.

What happens when the transmission "goes"? Does it not launch 100% anymore? Does it slip under extreme conditions? Does it pop out of gear and leave you stranded somewhere? Does it explode, take out the trans tunnel, and send chunks of old clutch and alluminum up your ***? I WANNA KNOW!

I'll try and email some people at work tomorrow about it (BorgWarner, the supplier for the trans). I might not get answers tomorrow, but I will get to the bottom of this!

<------------ Works for Corprate Nissan.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

<--------------------- Works for corporate BorgWarner... the designer and manufacturer of the GTR Transmission.

I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to hear this from more than one source. Like I said, this GTR business is becoming a god damn witch hunt.

[Murdered_T]

true. I wish I had paperwork, I am gonna go scrounging around too.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

so I asked a guy at work today if he knew anyone in the dualtronic program that could answer my question. I told him what it was all about. He was like "oooh... you're gonna have to be careful asking that" haha. It's probably gonna sound bad if I just say "Hey, I heard these ****ers blow after 15 launches... is that true?"

I know of one person, but she is one of the engineering managers, and I'd hate to take up her time with something like this, because chances are, she doesn't know and she would have to forward my email to someone that does. I'm not giving up though... the search continues.

But the question still remains: What do you mean they blow after 15 launches? Are thy unable to hold the torque in a launch after that, or do they stop shifting... what?

[Murdered_T]

im gonna go upstairs and ask the guy that told my the info. brb.

[Murdered_T]

ok this is what he said.

"It slips and makes noises. It is still drivable, but there is a power loss and the transmission will make weird noises, basicly they said its not a good idea to do it alot. You can, but its gonna suck driving it afterwards."

[PapaSmurf2k3]

hmmm... thats what I was thinking, the only thing that could really happen would be the clutches burning up, but that should take a hell of a lot more than 15 launches.In R&D they probably figure "Ok, the clutches can take 50 launches at this power level/slippage before they show signs of significant wear. We're going to modulate the power and slippage, and change the material so they can withstand 5000 launches".

15 just seems like a ridiculously low number to me.

[Murdered_T]

they should have yes. I am think 15 is the safe number before it starts making noise. They said 34 launches was the most they got, I guess thats 34 before noise..?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

hell man, I can deal with noise, but:

-Can only launch the car 15 times before the transmission gives out. The most Nissan has got was 34 launches.

is a far cry from "making noise".

[Murdered_T]

well at first he said 15 launches and thats it. I guess he meant as in there is something wrong, I was posting as he was talking, so I assumed he meant it was all over for it. I apologize on that behalf for being too ancy with the post. But I wonder what else it does?

But he also said loss of power, so is that not a severe problem that people would want to address?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

a little too ancy in the pancy?

Loss of power would be from the motor... unless there was serious clutch slippage or something went horribly wrong and the transmission started sopping up massive ammounts of power (serious inefficiency). The latter is VERY unlikely, especially considering the fact that this transmission has won awards.

[Murdered_T]

I believe it would be from slippage.

I get ancy easily.

[Murdered_T]

There is a GTR with its check engine light on here. So ha.

[DevilMB3017]

There is a GTR with its check engine light on here. So ha.

And no pics Tom? You know better then that on NICO.

Also, why is it on? lol