B&M Shifter Review.

[94_240sx]

JGY just released a height adjustable shifter for SR and this should fit on KA too. Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.jgy.cc/productshowcase.htm

[nzmoman]

JGY just released a height adjustable shifter for SR and this should fit on KA too. Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.jgy.cc/productshowcase.htm

it looks like a design copy for the B&M?

[94_240sx]

it looks like a design copy for the B&M?

That's what most companies do, so they can save on R&D. $200 vs. $75....

[presidential]

Looks like a copy of the OG Circuit Sports. I dunno about the B&M's top spring plate as I've had 2 of them and never taken the dust shield off.

[!Zar!]

I had a B&M in a few of my cars.

It was cool and all but the whole notchy thing got old.Not to mention short shifters are pretty pointless.

Shift faster and wear out the syncros faster too.

Sweet!

[ChampionSound]

I had a B&M in a few of my cars.

It was cool and all but the whole notchy thing got old.Not to mention short shifters are pretty pointless.

Shift faster and wear out the syncros faster too.

Sweet!

correct me if im wrong, but as long as you shift properly (heel toe and double clutching), there would be minimal wear on the syncros right?

idk if im 100% correct on this so if im wrong please tell me but explain how a short shifter might affect the syncros cause it is on the top of my list of things to get next

[!Zar!]

correct me if im wrong, but as long as you shift properly (heel toe and double clutching), there would be minimal wear on the syncros right?

idk if im 100% correct on this so if im wrong please tell me but explain how a short shifter might affect the syncros cause it is on the top of my list of things to get next

Double clutching is a fast and furious ricer thing to do.

There is zero reason to do it on any modern car.

Revmatching comes natural but nobody rev matches shifting up a gear so that theory can't really work well.

Shifting faster gives your syncros less time to work.

Like I said, I have had them in a few of my 240's.

But it feels best with a stock shifter as long as everything is in proper shape.

[ChampionSound]

im talking double clutching shifting down a gear. i dont see why it would cause more stress on the syncros when you are downshifting as long as you are rev matching properly.

is there an article that can explain your point a bit better? im not trying to call you out or anything im just curious

[Mangid]

im talking double clutching shifting down a gear. i dont see why it would cause more stress on the syncros when you are downshifting as long as you are rev matching properly.

is there an article that can explain your point a bit better? im not trying to call you out or anything im just curious

Do you even know what double clutching is?

[ChampionSound]

Do you even know what double clutching is?

double clutching (when downshifting, i have no clue about how to do it shifting up)

1) clutch in2) shift into neutral3) clutch out4) blip the throttle to get the intermediate shaft spinning to the right speed5) clutch in6) shift into the lower gear7) clutch out

is that not double clutching?

or is that just simply rev matching

[visser003]

double clutching (when downshifting, i have no clue about how to do it shifting up)

1) clutch in2) shift into neutral3) clutch out4) blip the throttle to get the intermediate shaft spinning to the right speed5) clutch in6) shift into the lower gear7) clutch out

is that not double clutching?

or is that just simply rev matching

FAIL.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_clutchDo work son.

[ChampionSound]

FAIL.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_clutchDo work son.

im so bloody confused now=(

"Conversely, in order to downshift, engine RPM must be increased while the gearbox is in neutral and the clutch is either engaged or disengaged. This requires the driver to shift into neutral, apply throttle to bring the RPM up to a suitable speed, and finally shift into gear. This operation can be very difficult to master, as it requires the driver to gauge the speed of the vehicle and throttle accurately. Double clutching occurs if the clutch pedal is released while matching engine speeds in neutral and again engaged prior to shifting into the next gear."

i got that from the wikipedia article. isnt that the same idea as what i posted?

idk im soooooo confused about this now. maybe i should put on a flame suit just in case

but on a side note, now i do know what double clutching when shifting up a gear is so thanks for that one

[presidential]

Be a man and shift without the clutch. My TKO 4550 took it.

[Mangid]

double clutching (when downshifting, i have no clue about how to do it shifting up)

1) clutch in2) shift into neutral3) clutch out4) blip the throttle to get the intermediate shaft spinning to the right speed5) clutch in6) shift into the lower gear7) clutch out

is that not double clutching?

or is that just simply rev matching

Yes you have just described double clutching... the method of up/down shifting a transmission that doesn't have synchros. So unless your car is an old a** 18 wheeler or a Model T, you're a complete dumbass for doing that because you can skip steps 2, 3, and 5 on a downshift. If you have been doing this, just cut your losses and trade your car in for an automatic.

[GTR PrYdE]

I've had this shifter for about 3 yrs now, one of the first mods I did when I got the car. I paid something like 210 shipped.. I've loved it, it's just 1000x more precise than stock... And I don't regret it at all.

It did bring out the 2nd gear grind my transmission has when cold, but nothing some nice good synthetic fluid didn't cure

Also- mine didn't come with a shift knob... but I liked the stock one so it worked out for me.

[White Comet]

lol at the whole double clutching. now that i think about it, my dad, brother and grandfather all double clutch on a regular basis. but it's because they drive dump trucks

[ChampionSound]

Yes you have just described double clutching... the method of up/down shifting a transmission that doesn't have synchros. So unless your car is an old a** 18 wheeler or a Model T, you're a complete dumbass for doing that because you can skip steps 2, 3, and 5 on a downshift. If you have been doing this, just cut your losses and trade your car in for an automatic.

so you're saying just simply when downshifting

clutch inmatch revsshift downclutch out?

sorry guys i know it sounds pretty noob but my 240 is my first car and im still figuring out the best shifting habits to get into since its the first manual car ive driven

poor clutch and transmission

[Mangid]

so you're saying just simply when downshifting

clutch inmatch revsshift downclutch out?

sorry guys i know it sounds pretty noob but my 240 is my first car and im still figuring out the best shifting habits to get into since its the first manual car ive driven

poor clutch and transmission

Pretty much. Clutch in, match revs and downshift simultaneously, clutch out.

Practice that. It gets rid of the "downshift jerk" if you know what i mean, and takes a huge load off of the clutch.

[ChampionSound]

Pretty much. Clutch in, match revs and downshift simultaneously, clutch out.

Practice that. It gets rid of the "downshift jerk" if you know what i mean, and takes a huge load off of the clutch.

thanks man +karma to you

id been double clutching till now but if it doesnt really even make a difference on the syncros ill prob just do what you suggest cause its less work

[Mangid]

thanks man +karma to you

id been double clutching till now but if it doesnt really even make a difference on the syncros ill prob just do what you suggest cause its less work

Double clutching is not necessary for your car. The only difference between double clutching and single clutching is that with double clutching you're revving up the input shaft on your own instead of letting the synchros do it. Pointless if your synchros work correctly, because single clutching doesn't wear them out hardly at all.
Modified by Mangid at 4:32 PM 2/28/2009

[steamer1227]

I cant really say that i've had the honor to own the B&M shifter for my 240 yet.......but i did purchase one for my previous car wich was a 01 Cavalier and that was the best 180 dollars i spent on a part. The feeling was great from the weighted knob along with the shortness of throws the percision of placing/throwing the shifter into any gear felt like amazing...I plan to get one for the 240 asap.

[EfiniRX7]

I have a B&M in my s14. I love the shifter, it feels amazing. The gear change is crisp, and smooth. I don't think I could ever use another shifter. I can say the B&M went into my SR as soon as it arrived.

[visser003]

so you're saying just simply when downshifting

clutch inmatch revsshift downclutch out?

sorry guys i know it sounds pretty noob but my 240 is my first car and im still figuring out the best shifting habits to get into since its the first manual car ive driven

poor clutch and transmission

Practice rev-matching when downshifting until you are completely comfortable and accurate. Then start practicing heel-toe'ing. I wont explain it, because I am lazy. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=heel-toe+shifting This will allow your to downshift under heavy braking without making your transmission cry.