Awesome new Member car!

[PalmerWMD]

http://nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=91039

Fred..

[Mr1der]

ooo

that there is a sleeper.

[Altiman94]

awesome ride, no doubt.

[rico05]

Poofter car and a waste of a Z. Kind like the guy on my town with a track package, full real Nismo kit, nasty sounding fart cans and a 75 shot. Poor Zs

[yelnatsch517]

Hmm...me like . I think my friend from school also has a Greddy TT'd 350z, although not a roadster. No kit or anything. Complete stock looking except for the huge intercooler you can see from the front. He's going to do some more stuff to his car. Need to try and get him on here.

[MaineExport]

How does someone with the driving maturity of a 16-year-old afford such a nice car?

Sure, we have all been guilty of a little harmless street play once in a while, but this kind of nonsense is a whole different story. BUT HEY, no less than 3 mods and 2 admins think it's cool.... so I guess it's alright!

I remember a day at NICO when this kind of thing was looked down upon. I can understand letting street racing stories slide, but for all the gentlemen that are supposed to be in charge and setting an example for this community to jump on the 'cool guy' band wagon and support this behavior with their praise... NOT IMPRESSED!
Modified by MaineExport at 11:01 AM 11/20/2004

[PalmerWMD]

Maine we all enjoy fast cars and what are they good for? going fast.

Also keep in mind he lives out West. Roads, even streets there, are emptier, smoother and folks are more open to fast driving than elsewhere in the USA.

Different culture there from from New England.And I like it.

Fred.

[PalmerWMD]

Poofter car and a waste of a Z. Kind like the guy on my town with a track package, full real Nismo kit, nasty sounding fart cans and a 75 shot. Poor Zs

I am sorry rico I am not sure that is making any sense...A nice hi end body kit with a well-sorted Twin Turbo kit supported by a six speed transmission, is ricy to you?

Fred..

[MaineExport]

I hear ya Fred, it just would have been nice to see someone who knows better say something.

The car is sweet as hell, no doubt about it... but accidents still happen on straight roads or twisty ones.

If NOT killing yourself (or someone else) isn't enough motivation to make people think twice about street racing... you can ask my co-worker how it feels to lose your license for 4 years and pay $6500 in fines for street racing. Many states are starting to take it VERY seriously. North Carolina is apparently cracking down hard. Oh yeah... and he no longer owns his car thanks to the incident... the state auctioned it off!!
Modified by MaineExport at 2:57 PM 11/20/2004

[w1ngzer0]

Bleh the west doesn't have nothing but open streets i know i live in the west. All these retarded kids go out and race on the highways and streets endangering everyone. I remember there were weekly street racing deaths.

The last death when i was in sacramento was 2 street bikes racing and i guess they both lost control and ran into a wall.

Then we have the retarded night racers that pick a spot like F&F and rice it out. No i am not talking about big wings big body kits. The rice in sacramento is more of........ **** talking. "Yah my car runs 10.5"...... BS This is comming from a guy that owns a crx and spray painted his hood......................................

Street racing happens and it's called having bigger balls to not take the challange. Street racing in Arizona,if caught

B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor. If a person is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this section within twenty-four months of a first conviction, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony and is not eligible for probation, pardon, suspension of sentence or release on any other basis until the person has served not less than ten days in jail or prison.

Just remember not all street racing is glory. Just like JDM land isn't all racing glory. They don't post how many people die daily street racing over there

Then in california if your caught you get your liscense taken away and your car impounded. I forget what the cost was it was 1200 or something near there. Now before they kept your car for good. Now.... i am not sure. They keep changing that part about street racing

[CybeRise]

wow whats with you guys. I would have thought this was where street racers hang out. Yes street racing puts others in danger but then again so do semi-trucks. It's just a fun thing to do sometimes. I am older too but still enjoy it and did it way to much back when I had my Z32 tt and my Supra TT. Hell I probably raced the most when I had a 280ZX. But that was soooooooooo long ago that even hondas were not "drag racers" yet. My comp back then was muscle cars. Still I dont look down on street racers when I did it so much myself back in the day.

[gniknave]

Maine we all enjoy fast cars and what are they good for? going fast.

Also keep in mind he lives out West. Roads, even streets there, are emptier, smoother and folks are more open to fast driving than elsewhere in the USA.

Different culture there from from New England.And I like it.

Fred.

By "out west" you CAN'T be talking about California...

[PalmerWMD]

Naw,I mean Texas nevada, New Mexica arizona utah etc:)

[Doomed2Walk]

The only places you probably could street race with confidence that no one is there are like Montana and Wyoming. Street racing isn't the smartest thing, but it's entertaining to read. My dad told me about races he had with his '78 mustang and now he tells me not to race (which I don't) lol.

[skydragoness]

Edited by Admin:

Sky: I am sorry I was editing your post thinking it a thread hi-jack and it isnt because you didnty postn in the kill thread. sorry, I edited it away and cant copy it back, feel free to re-post.Sorry..

Fred..

[UncleBen]

You seriously expect us to believe that racing on the street is for losers? Granted, I'm not justifying racing on the street but everyone who is an enthusiast at all has in some form or fashion done some sort of street racing. Revving your motor at someone can be considered a form of racing because you are trying to entice a race, according to the Bowling Green police.

If you want to do alot of racing, go to the track, but the track isn't always readily available. One quick race on the street here and there, sure. If you are one of the morons that GO OUT and actually look for races, then maybe you should get your head examined, but the occasional streetlight to streetlight brawl isn't something to get in a tizy about.

Now, according to everyones replies, this new member races a whole lot? Good for him, arguing OVER THE INTERNET isn't going to make him stop. He has a nice 350z apparently, again, good for him. Let him race it, it must be fast. Until he kills someone or himself, then just continue reading his stories I guess, because there isn't anything else we can do about it, other than make fun of him through an online car forum :p

[PalmerWMD]

I am glad he joined and that we have such an awesome car here.

As enthusiasts we are all about fast cars, and there is only one way to test for it and tracks are boring, there is nothing like meeting a stranger and testing your car against his.

Thats what all the mods we always talk about are for, not for that couple hours a year, we spend at the track, but for those countless moments when someone revs at us and we know we could dust him if we tried.

Even losing can be fun, you can meet some cool people either way.

I invited him to come here and post his stories because frankly they rock.

Fred..

PS: Maine and Sky, there was never a time on nico when this was looked down on, why do we have so many foilks dropping in SR20's ,CA18's and RB's? Not to look at them in a parking lots, thats for sure.

Here in Louisville we have 2 local boards, one that permits kill stories and one that has the Politically correct, no kill story policy, guess which one has increased its traffic?

yes, sometimes you hear stories about people getting killed in a streetracing accidnet, you hear about them because they are newsworthy.Why are they newsworthy?Because it hardly ever happens!, Otherwise it wouldnt be newsworthy!The human brain perceives risk in a funny way, because in the environment we are adapted to (hunter gatherer society in a horde of 200 people tops) if you hear about something, its a statistically relevant risk.

but in a modern civilization ,you hear about things waaaaayyy beyond your next nearest 200 individuals, but emotionally our brains have trouble telling the difference .Its human nature.

Thast why you see knee-jerk recation laws, For example congress having its bills influenced by single events!in a country of almost 300 million people ( yes including undercounts and illegals its probably this high) even if a given even happens several times a year its still not statistivcally relevant.But lawmakers and most human being will perceive events even if tehy happen just once every ferw years as relevant.Example Columbine.Has not bearing at all on the actual safety or unsafety chiuldren have in school, but the perception was changed dramnatically among most human beings becasue our brains are adapted to function to accept anything they hear as happening in their immediate circle and tehrefore be statistically relevant

[MaineExport]

Here in Louisville we have 2 local boards, one that permits kill stories and one that has the Politically correct, no kill story policy, guess which one has increased its traffic?

It's sad to see such transparent motivations. Are you saying that increased site traffic is more important than taking the moral high ground and maybe even saving the life of a young impressionable member looking at getting into tuning cars?

yes, sometimes you hear stories about people getting killed in a streetracing accidnet,

But as long as site traffic is up, we will support this behavior?

Fred, I have the utmost respect for you and this community. I just think it's a shame to support this crap with your admiration and praise. You have an unenviable position of responsibility. You set the tone for these boards, and this tone can have a real impact on the actions of its members.

No, I'm not ignorant enough to think street racing is going away, and I have NEVER claimed to be 100% innocent... but it is unsettling to see you mods and admins getting all excited about embellished kill stories.

[Mr1der]

I remember the speeding stories too...

I prefer we get track stories though. much better and we even get numbers too then!

[MaineExport]

You seriously expect us to believe that racing on the street is for losers?

No, it's for people trying to compensate for a lack of manhood in other areas!!! Just kidding... but it's still a very immature behavior and when we give into it... we are being irresponsible and should consider the consequences. And authority figures should NOT be condoning such activities.

Granted, I'm not justifying racing on the street but everyone who is an enthusiast at all has in some form or fashion done some sort of street racing.

Agreed... but does that make it right? Does that mean that it should be encouraged by the community?

arguing OVER THE INTERNET isn't going to make him stop.

Not looking to stop HIM... but hopefully some younger more impressionable kid that comes here. But if those in charge glorify this stupidity... then their behavior is looked at in such a light. Sad... truly sad.

[PalmerWMD]

1)But as long as site traffic is up, we will support this behavior?2)Fred, I have the utmost respect for you and this community. 3)You set the tone for these boards, and this tone can have a real impact on the actions of its members. 4 to see you mods and admins getting all excited about embellished kill stories.

1) nonnono, thats not at <all> how I meant it, I meant it, in a way, that this is what our community enjoys and is at the core of what car enthusiasts are about.

I would <never> take a postion <ever>, just because its popular.<Never> <Ever>

2) Thank you Sir the feeling of respect is mutual.

3)This is true.

4) Who says they are embellished ? I feel great joy in this possible mod for my car being so successful.I havent decided which way to go yet, NA, SC or TT but its interesting.

As for all other concerns please re-read my post above, especially the PS: about how human beings are designed to mis-perceive risk in a modern society.

Speeding is danegrous to others but not more so )probably less) that driving a pick-up truck, that obstrutcs others vision and doesnt have the ability to brake as well as a normal vehicle.

yet when we speed, its at most, a <temorary> unsafe condtion, while the SUV's that our Geezer Lawmakers drive, are an unsafe conditon always.

Considering the level of control (or lack thereof) those guys have, in a way they are always going 95 mph, even when they are going 55.

Yet that craze is widely accepted, because accident reports wont read " Accident caused by SUV obstrucitng drivers vision" or "accident caused by SUV's/PU trucks inability to be stable in this turn, under acident evasion conditions"

You will never see accident reports like this, because it takes too much brain power.

The entire country sees maybe a dozen (if that) traffic fatalities a year actually due to street racing.But there are a total of 50, 000 or so fatalities a year.

IMO there is no excessive risk in the occasional street race, especially if you stay situationally aware of conditions around you.

Please read again what I wrote above, on why human beings tend to misjudge risk in a modern society.

Fred..

[UncleBen]

Ok kind of off topic, but I'm glad we as a community can discuss these types of things in a calm way without starting the whole name calling, immature attitude type feel.

I like these kind of arguments

Ok but back to the argument at hand, we as a board can say all we can say to try and get people to not give in to the immature ways of the "street racer" life, but in all honesty there is no way we can make a *huge* difference, at least I dont see it. Yes we can have lots of influence by being mature, wise, etc, but if someone is becoming an enthusiast and goes out for a night on town, hangs out with other tuners, see's what they do (go out and race), how they do it (how they conduct the races, as in who lines up when, who starts them, blah blah), then its doubtful that we will be able to have enough of an impact on that person to hold them back from showing off their ride and its speed (or the lack there-of). All we can hope is that when people *do* take part in things like this, that they are smart about it; that they are wise in their decisions, as in when to stop, when not to race at all because there are sometimes you shouldn't, etc.

[Mr1der]

street racing is unsafe driving though...regardless of the fatalities for that particular brand of reckless behavior, it's still reckless.

cocaine will kill as quick as heroin.

I don't really see how street racing is any safer then changing a cd in a Suburban while drinking a really hot coffee with no lid while eating a bowl of spaghetti and trying to change a baby's diaper.

I honestly can't say much in defense of not doing it though. I'm a big enough hippocrite as it is.

[MaineExport]

I see where you're coming from... and I'm glad to see you explain it in those terms.

About perceived risk... you are absolutely correct, it's almost like a defense mechanism we have. We see more inherant risk in our actions as a way of keeping our head. Some people lack this mechanism unfortunately... and I think that's a big part of the problem.

Maybe tomorrow I'll go school some ricers..........

AT THE TRACK!!!!

[Jesda]

Dumb kids ruin all the fun.

[skydragoness]

Edited by Admin:

Sky: I am sorry I was editing your post thinking it a thread hi-jack and it isnt because you didnty postn in the kill thread. sorry, I edited it away and cant copy it back, feel free to re-post.Sorry..

Fred..

I'm offended you thought that, Fred.

To briefly repost what i said (it was more of a musing, really):

On the old days of Nico, we would've laughed our pants off at this guy/kid/etc. I don't think Nico should advocate street racers or showcase them either. I don't take so-called 'car enthusiasts' seriously if they don't take their ego to the track.

[skydragoness]

I don't really see how street racing is any safer then changing a cd in a Suburban while drinking a really hot coffee with no lid while eating a bowl of spaghetti and trying to change a baby's diaper.

[CybeRise]

Do you guys remember some website where everyone would post race stories? It wasnt a forum, u could only post race stories. There was a very funny one about some guy with racing teddy bear rims (13's) and had some good lines like "he was starting to pull away so I had to take out the NOS, So I took the nos and sprayed it in his face so he stopped excelerating" The way he did the story was pretty damn funny.

[JustinStrife]

*is so not feeling that body kit...*

[MaineExport]

I don't take so-called 'car enthusiasts' seriously if they don't take their ego to the track.

Amen sistah!

There is a proper time and place for everything. Yeah, we all spend a lot of money upgrading our cars to make them faster, handle better, and look nicer. But the appropriate place to showcase the "performance" part of that investment isn't on public streets.

I'm pretty sure I have more money invested in my race quad than most people here have in their cars. But as a responsible ATV enthusiast, I don't rip across private property and dig up wetlands. I ride on approved trails and follow the rules. I get to race the bejaysus out of it once in a while and THAT is the ultimate showcase of performance in a controlled and relatively safe environment. There's no reason for performance cars and their enthusiasts to do otherwise.