Awd 240sx rb25det wanna talk ?

[Mcguyver]

Hello I chimed in today to see if anyone wants to talk to me about what I'm building and not criticize about price and my efforts like all other forums do I own a fully stocked garage with tons of snap on tools welder and everything needed to do what I want I own a 1995 240sx and want to put a rb25det in it also I want to use the rb26dett transmission and fab up a front differential to make it awd I've done tons of research and searching on google lol and stopped here to talk about it with some of you guys some may so go buy a skyline for like 15,000-20,000 well I'm pretty sure I can do this a whole lot cheaper and a skyline in the USA well think about the insurance price if you could get some on a grey market car and parts and the fact of all probability of actually owning one any comment would help?

[Mcguyver]

Complete running rb25det with all wiring and ect $2,000 shipped
McKinney motor mount kit $450
Custom driveshaft from McKinney $379-$400
Wirng harness merge $375
Aluminum radiator with fans EBAY $170
Greddy style intake mani $229
Fmic with piping $200
Slave cylinder for rb25 $60
McKinney turbo down pipe $60
Full 3" exhaust for s14 $100
Misc hoses wire ties clips ect.. $40
Aftermarket fuel pump $80 walbro or eBay 255 $40
Catch can $20
Misc fluids oil ps fluid ect... $60
1995.240sx in decent shape $1800 I got mine running for $1,000


So added up all this stuff. And misc shipping and things that could be wrong or go wrong $6,000 dollars or under and my time this is pretty far from a $20,000 Nissan skyline in the states and its not AWD there's my figures what do y'all think?

[Mcguyver]

The only thing stopping me soo far in theory is the awd system you could possibly use a Nissan pathfinder front diff and custom axels along with fabbing up the knuckles from scratch and hours pillaging my friends local junk yard but it's still up for thought

[Mcguyver]

Anyone feel free to comment I could really use some light on the matter

[kouki munster]

Instead of going through the trouble of fabbing up a front diff setup why not track down the running gear(front cross member, diff, axles, spindles, hubs, ect...) from a r33 gts-4 they were awd and had a rb25?

I've seen a s13 with a awd rb26 that had the running gear(front cross member, diff, axles, spindles, hubs, ect...) out of a r32 to make it work.( used the r32 stuff because of the similarities it shares with the s13)

But what ever you decide good luck and post pics of your progress, it should be interesting.

[mixeds14]

exactly what kmuster said^^^^^^^^^^^^ there someone on here already done that, he bought a complete front clip that included everything needed to do the awd crap with the exception of the drive shaft which u have to get it custom made weather its awd or not unless u can fab that urself.. as far as ur list u have a lot of cheapo parts there bud which they will work but im just saying...

[Mcguyver]

Well mixeds14 here's my point of view I'm not gonna buy expensive parts for something that may or may not work see if I buy just the parts to get me by and it all works out I can correct the mess ups and cheap parts and still be happy but why buy high $$$ parts when something can go wrong like a blown engine or messed up transmission and be able not to sell the high dollar parts and make my money back instead of buying cheap parts and just saying oh well they were cheap lol but I do get what ur saying and like all he comments I can get and ........kouki munster I would love to do soo but the awd train under the gtr's and the gts-4 s are anywhere in the range of 3000 dollars to 5000 dollars on every site I've found and you won't find such parts in my area soo any other suggestions people? Thanx soo far

[ashibah83]

You're starting off half-a$$ing it??? I can see this will go well. If you're really serious about wanting to do this, and have the self-proclaimed skillset, knowledge, equipment, and funding to take on something like this, why even waste time and money on obviously inferior parts? So what happens if you get it done and run out of funding to "fix" all the mess you made with cheap parts? Its just going to be another half-a$$ed 240. What if you buy the motorset and find that it needs internal work, how about a clutch kit, maybe the turbo needs to be rebuilt or replaced? seriously i dont think it can be done for a cent less that 10K. A project like that WILL nickle and dime you to death, ill prove it with 20K in reciepts and a non running KA-T. a quote ive seen before and love "240 people never seem to have the money to do it right, but they always seem to have the money to do it twice" i refuse to be one of those people.

oh and where are you located?

[Mcguyver]

Well honestly with a attitude like that I can see why don't take it out on the rest of us because your having problems that's why people get pissed of and don't want to join forums and if you will take a minute instead of ranting on about mindless bullshi& I didn't say I had a bill gates bank account I just said why buy a greddy intake manifold for $500 dollars when I can buy the exact same one minus the greddy sticker for $200 dollars less and far as the half assing goes tell me what's on that list that's sooooo half assed McKinney is the #1 to buy driveshafts and mounting hardware from and as far as a radiator with the fans go from eBay who cares it a freaking radiator with fans like all the rest of them and you wonder why you have spent 20k on your car and it still doesn't run " oh it's not good enough unless I give $800 dollars for something that should of only been a couple hundred " see I'm not just some spoiled brat sitting behind a computer talking mindless crap like you kinda lead off to be I'm a 21 year old that's worked his whole life in a garage learning what I need to learn to get buy I have 2 vehicles I've paid for myself and a established car business and I'll tell you this I've not gotten as far as I've got today from making stupid choices so as far as my mind sees it all the parts in the list will work to start out with incase something messes up I'll have a couple extra bucks from the money I saved at first to fix a broke turbo or blown engine buy why jump in to something feet first and sink all your money into it for it to in the end you've spent countless dollars on the quote. " best money can buy " and have a bunch of high dollar parts sitting around and a blown engine soo your theory is dumb in my opinion and also as I stated I want helpful comments not some dumb a$$ chiming in about his problems and shooting me down it's a forum to talk about cars and how to mess with them not a bashing fest so keep ur stupid comments to urself there not needed

[krash]

kouki munster I would love to do soo but the awd train under the gtr's and the gts-4 s are anywheyre in the range of 3000 dollars to 5000 dollars on every site I've found and you won't find such parts in my area soo any other suggestions people? Thanx soo far

Its hard to not sound like a d!ck here, but I'm not trying to be a d!ck.

Honestly dude, if you're not willing to spend that kind of money, just get the idea out of your head. Ashibah83 may have sounded abrasive, but he made some really good points. What happens if the motor needs a rebuild, if the turbo is bad, if the harness is bad, if a part you bought broke, etc etc? There are so many things to account for when doing something like this that money can't really take priority.

The guy that did it before is on NICO and has a build thread here. He's a master fabricator as far as I'm concerned and money didn't really seem to be a problem. Its not a simple bolt this here, plug this here, tune this here, adjust this here thing. It takes A LOT of work and A LOT of money.

So if you're not willing to drop the $$$ or spend the hours of time fine-tuning, calculating, and fabricating things for the conversion, just save yourself the time and effort and do something more attainable, maybe a regular RWD RB25 swap or something like that.

Again, not trying to be a d!ck, just telling you like it is.

Also, your logic is kind of weird. You're going to buy knock-off parts only to replace them with genuine parts later? Why not just save money and buy real stuff to begin with....

[Mcguyver]

See that's what I'm trying to get at what parts a crappy cheap or half assed in my list? And say I dropped all my money on brand named parts at first getting ready for the project and the motor gets here and is locked up or the transmission is cracked it's gonna sit in my garage for years until I sell it for hardly nothing just to make some of my money back and I'll be stuck with nothing instead of buying just what I need to get it in the car and running then spend time and money on better parts and reselling the cheap ones or keeping them for spares with all the money i saved at first Its a little easier to fix a broken transmission or engine repair what would you rather have a 240sx installed running and money saved put back for errors orrrr.... A 240sx with a s*** ton of high dollar parts setting around that I couldn't get barely half my money back and still a car that doesn't run make sense??

[OutToWinPAHC]

Front diff? Were talking front diff? psss it inside the AWD trans dude

[Hijacker]

Front diff? Were talking front diff? psss it inside the AWD trans dude

no it's not. The transfer case is. The front diff is part of the oil pan on AWD RBs.

Krash summed up my feelings completely

[badbob2121]

i think enough input has been given to the OP... and none of it has been taken

<< Is willing to bet this build is never completed..... Any takers?

[otterball21]

So I see someone is interested in the same conversion I thought about.


So General Input..
I owned a r33 Gts-4 and recently I just got rid of my r32gt-r

I built a 240sx r33 gts series 1 front onto a s14 zenki which I recently bought back.
I've been around skylines long enough to know exactly what needs to go into the conversion.

1. the frame itself is notched in r33's and r32's to allow the axles to pass through. It's almost risen a full inch to two inches high to allow the axle to pass through.

2. You need the ACTUAL cross member from the r32 or r33 to make the awd drive work, because the cross member is actually notched also to allow the axle to pass through. Mckinney or not, those don't do anything about the notching for the clearance of the axle through the cross member and frame

3. The Strut is no longer a s14 or s13 strut setup. Because the axle will fight with it.

4. Control arms are going to have to be redone and modified, and new mounts are going to be welded onto the car to accept the control arms from the r33 or r32. The r33 setup for the control arms and struts and tension rods is much more "simpler" than the r32 setup.

So to say that you are going to source and piece things together.... It's going to be difficult. I looked into it and given it alot of thought, because I sold my gtr shell and I'm going to drop the rb26 motor into my s14/r33 conversion, I pondered the thought of the awd setup. To my mind, Unless you wanna spend a boat load of money, hours and just frustration... wait the two years.. buy yourself a 89 gtr. By the time that rolls around everyone should be able to afford a r32gtr and they are capable of being brought into the country legally.

If you want the challenge... by all means go for it. I'd definitely hope you'd put up a build post if you do.

[Armstec_S13]

So I see someone is interested in the same conversion I thought about.


So General Input..
I owned a r33 Gts-4 and recently I just got rid of my r32gt-r

I built a 240sx r33 gts series 1 front onto a s14 zenki which I recently bought back.
I've been around skylines long enough to know exactly what needs to go into the conversion.

1. the frame itself is notched in r33's and r32's to allow the axles to pass through. It's almost risen a full inch to two inches high to allow the axle to pass through.

2. You need the ACTUAL cross member from the r32 or r33 to make the awd drive work, because the cross member is actually notched also to allow the axle to pass through. Mckinney or not, those don't do anything about the notching for the clearance of the axle through the cross member and frame

3. The Strut is no longer a s14 or s13 strut setup. Because the axle will fight with it.

4. Control arms are going to have to be redone and modified, and new mounts are going to be welded onto the car to accept the control arms from the r33 or r32. The r33 setup for the control arms and struts and tension rods is much more "simpler" than the r32 setup.

So to say that you are going to source and piece things together.... It's going to be difficult. I looked into it and given it alot of thought, because I sold my gtr shell and I'm going to drop the rb26 motor into my s14/r33 conversion, I pondered the thought of the awd setup. To my mind, Unless you wanna spend a boat load of money, hours and just frustration... wait the two years.. buy yourself a 89 gtr. By the time that rolls around everyone should be able to afford a r32gtr and they are capable of being brought into the country legally.

If you want the challenge... by all means go for it. I'd definitely hope you'd put up a build post if you do.

what did i miss? what country are you in and when were skylines able to be legalized???

[zacmil]

wait the two years.. buy yourself a 89 gtr. By the time that rolls around everyone should be able to afford a r32gtr and they are capable of being brought into the country legally.

what did i miss? what country are you in and when were skylines able to be legalized???

In 2014 the '89 R32 will be 25 years old and exempt from a lot of the importation silliness.

[Mcguyver]

You know after all the trash talking over the couple days I'm just gonna say forget it because stupid me wanted to do something unique he'll with it I'll just sell my 240 sx and move on I'll just buy a civic and daily drive it thanx for the good comment I'll just overlook the bad ones not that anyone. Cares but you will no longer find me on here

[Mcguyver]

And as far as someone earlier asked I live in a little town in north carolina

[95zenki man]

Where in NC are you?

I would be more then happy to come see this thing come together and lend a hand where i can.

[ashibah83]

Ok, first off, i appologize for seeming abrasive or perhaps even condescending, that was not at all my intent. Second, if you're serious about doing this (which it appears you're not) then why are you going to take the oh so serious internet peoples that seriously. All i was trying to say is that you may be underestimating the complexity and just how involved something like this is. Also in my opinion, buying parts that arent quality is a complete waste. My comment about the 20k in parts and a non running KA-T is because i would much rather have the quality parts i WANT than skimp and settle, and ill admit it, my car isnt running because of my own impatience, i didnt have the tune right and blew it up, my fault not the parts. I was simply trying to say that i do not think that this type of swap can be done anywhere near the number you have in your head, prove me wrong.

[95zenki man]

20K on a built KA-T? good lord that b**** better be made of gold.

I have right about 4800 in mine and it can hold well over 600hp+ without a problem....and i got nothing but the best parts..

You sr are a dumbass if you droped 20k in a 240sx.

[krash]

You know after all the trash talking over the couple days I'm just gonna say forget it because stupid me wanted to do something unique he'll with it I'll just sell my 240 sx and move on I'll just buy a civic and daily drive it thanx for the good comment I'll just overlook the bad ones not that anyone. Cares but you will no longer find me on here

Trash talking? You came on here asking for info about something that you clearly didn't search about, we gave you said info, gave you opinions, gave you more viable options....annnd you got mad.

And heck, if you're set on doing it don't let some people on the internet make you stop. Its not our money/time, its yours. Do what you want with it, we were just offering advice and guidance, take it or leave it.

[ashibah83]

20K on a built KA-T? good lord that b**** better be made of gold.

I have right about 4800 in mine and it can hold well over 600hp+ without a problem....and i got nothing but the best parts..

You sr are a dumbass if you droped 20k in a 240sx.

Yeah except not....20k in the entire car, suspension, wheels tires, aero, everything, it just happens that it is a KA-T and the car is currently a very expensive yard ornament

[95zenki man]

Wait so 20k in a car that dosnt run? i understand its ka-t but good lord man...if u can drop 20k on somthing like a 240 then that s*** should be running in no time.

[ashibah83]

well it was easy to have plenty of extra money....before my ex-wife left me with a motrgage to pay on my own

[pella]

Maybe start off with something simple like a three wheeled bycicle if you cant answer your own basic questions? Just seems like you arent sure what you wanna do yourself, but with that plethora of tools (which you seem very proud of) you should have the experience and wisdom to answer yourself. Please for the sake of all of us, please please use puncuation. Im getting light headed reading your posts. Maybe just do the RB swap first to deal with all those problems before you attempt to do a AWD conversion. Or just buy a Subaru. Why do you want a AWD 240 anyway?

[badbob2121]

You sr are a dumbass if you droped 20k in a 240sx.

no... not really..

you claim to have a 600hp capable ka with only spending 4800... maybe, but i highly doubt it..

with that aside, an all around build will easily cost 20k+.. yours may not, but i would like to compare your car to ashiba83's and i believe you would notice a quality difference between and overall higher build (not just motor) completion ..

so to call someone a dumbass is not justified..

sorry to be off topic

[95zenki man]

I have 4800 in the motor i didn't mean 20k in just the motor ( if it came off that way im sorry) If you would like full read outs on the motor i can dig through some stuff and id be more then happy to put the list up. i just don't see why anyone would spend 20 grand on a 240sx...i mean i had a 2008 350z with 30k miles that i got for 17 grand.....

I don't mean to sound like a prick but i could be hard pressed to find 20k worth of parts for a s13...im pretty much redoing every inch of my suspension and i have maybe $3000 in coilovers all new arms ( cs,stance,megan) all new bushings...looking at another 2500 in paint, the 4800 in the motor, and about $2500 in little odds and ends ( cage, brides,wheels,)

Thats what $12,800+2000 for the car = $14,800

Like i said, i know all the little stuff adds up and thats not the first time i have looked at that number and thought about why the hell im doing it....

Im just saying i love my s13 and i loved my s14 but for the price that im putting into my s13 i would get another 350z any day of the week.

[badbob2121]

so you have almost spent 15k and are calling someone who spent 20k a jackass?

either way its a personal preference.... no need to beat that dead horse