Average price on a swap?

Post by **Benny** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

can someone tell me what the average price on an SR20DET S13 black top into an S14 body averages? also, if someone is kind enough to tell me things like limitations and what parts are best for upgrades as far as turbos go and stuff like that. thanks in advance

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

The average cost is 1500 dollars. We charge 1000, Heavy Throttle charges 1500, most "no name" places charge 1500-2000, sometimes you'll get lucky and find one for 1000-1200 though if they're tiny and have never done it before.

Post by **RageAgainstNate** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Hi I'm new, name is Nate 1990 240sx, just purchased.

I was wondering if Afterdark cut a deal if you got a engine swap and front end conversion done at the same time? Or if you plugged them by putting, but not willingly wanting to, a sticker with the company logo on your car?

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Unfortunately no, nor do we offer a sponsorship discount. Dependant upon what work is done, it may be an option to put our web address on your car, but thats out of the goodness of your heart, it doesn't get you anything. : )

Our prices are already significantly lower than our competition who offer similar quality products. We as a business cannot afford to lower the prices anymore, if we COULD lower them, then they would be our standard prices. Unless you're buying over 10-15 thousand dollars in merchandise and having us do the work/installation, its difficult for us to give a discount. Sorry!

Post by **RageAgainstNate** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Thats cool, I was just seeing if you guys did or not. I'd do the work myself but living in an apartment without a garage, and sometimes not even a parking spot makes doing an engine swap kinda hard

Also so I don't need to start another thread and waste bandwidth: how much boost can a stock redtop handle?

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

define stock.

On stock mount intercooler I wouldn't suggest going above 9.

With a FMIC and stock fuel I would say 12.

With a FMIC and upgraded fuel I woudl say 13-14. 1 Bar is about the efficiency range of the stock T25.

You can take the stock fuel system to 1 bar, but I don't like to as it strains it, and I don't like to put strain on components, but thats just me. : )

Post by **mattback** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

down here in tampa where we actually make power we push our t25s to around 15-16 psi.. thats usually what they max at.

keep in mind this is with a walbro fuel pump, front mount intercooler, 3inch or open downpipe, and some 'sekret' plugs and timing tuning.

This is great and the SR loves it, however your turbo will usually wear out its thrust bearings very quickly.

However the sooner youg et rid of that stock horrible t25 the sooner you'll actually love your sr20det... s14-s15 / gtir turbos make excellent upgrades.

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Yea.... Rob was making REAL good power with his G20 at a beefy 3lbs of boost.... Tampa is for the street ricers.......

As for a T25 at 15-16psi..... I guess if you want to blow your turbo in about 2 months that's a good idea.....

But if your gonna do that why not just start off with a T67 and go from there......

PaulOrlando, FL

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

You know what, I've had just about enough of your snide remarks. I try to be civil and not comment on all the libel you're throwing my way, because I don't really care about your opinion. So I have a differing opinion about the SDS, the whole thing started out because I said the interface sucked on a SDS. However, you can't really argue there since its a punch pad calculator. I also like ready made maps so you can tune from a preset base, at least your car will be running that way after you set it up. Now, boo hoo, we have differing opinions. All the cars you came up with making good numbers, I didn't deny it was possible, I just said the interface sucked. Would you like me to start searching and posting all the Haltech, Motec, and Electromotive cars? I vastly prefer those systems, so I suppose we could just keep posting articles till someone runs out. You made your case on Fresh Alloy about the SDS and everyone disagreed with you there too. Did you throw a **** fit, no, you just took it and shut up. I wonder why that is, oh, maybe its because if you felt like throwing mud Asad would have booted you off the boards in a heartbeat. Well, you know what, keep it up and I"ll be suggesting the same thing for you and all your friends, if you want to b****, take it to another board where maybe they'll want to listen to you, because I know I sure don't. Keep it up, see what happens.

Now, you feel like "raining on my parade" or whatever in just about any thread you can, I like how in the end you mentioned that you'd probably wear out the turbo, that was a nice touch. In easy terms, you'll be running the turbo ragged. Sure, you could push a T25 to 18 PSI if you wanted to, but whats the point, you're past your efficiency and it will blow up in no time flat. If you feel like making all kinds of side comments, at least do it with the other members best interest at heart. I don't really care what you think about me, because I"ve helped a lot of people and I don't think anything you have to say will matter to them. Now please, enjoy the rest of your day here at NICO.

Post by **mattback** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

no time flat is still about 8-10 months actually.

rob is a ricer, i totally agree to that. i dont hang out with him. i used to think he was cool but then, gasp, i woke up.

actually when people talked **** about sds they didnt talk **** about it they just said there was better stuff..

and i have owned asad on a couple of posts so he lets me do whatever i want on there. i know my role.

hey moving violation 240any time you want your *** handed to you by an aluminum block or and old school vg30 let me know (and its not even my vg30 hahahahaha)

hell two or three aluminum blocks for that.. one of them has 93mm iron sleeves in it.

psi jay wont come down cause he fears the ka also :-)

i seriously see a tampa nissans beats down all of orlandos nissnans, and then drives to iowa to pwn dauntless event coming soon

Post by **blink0r** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

mattback should spend less time having sweaty, gay anal sex and more time in high school, mr. bad english.

Post by **RageAgainstNate** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

so 13-14psi with FMIC and upgraded fuel. now when you say upgraded are you talking walbro, s-afc and larger injectors or walbro and a AEM EMS.

EDIT: come to think of it I'm sure AEM doesn't make a EMS for the DET, and I don't need a custom race one. So Jimmy is the way to go then?

Post by **RageAgainstNate** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

and matt, I would love to push 350-400 to the floor, but thats not my goal. I will keep your point of view in mind, but they way you put it across just sucks. this is the interent, IN-TER-NET, where anyone can be anything they want as long as they know more than someone else, we will never know if they are really who they are. but we are all here to learn and teach others so that the our errors are avoided by the next man.

Post by **Benny** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

sorry i didnt say it.. but i meant engine and all labor to make the car run like stock.

Website · Post by **SM_s14** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

[quote=" Daunttless With a FMIC and upgraded fuel I woudl say 13-14. 1 Bar is about the efficiency range of the stock T25.[/quote] What about the t-28 on the s-14? Where is the MAX daily-driven limit on that turbo? I want to drive it at 15-16 psi if the duty cycle on the injectors stay reasonable... TIA

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

mattback wrote:down here in tampa where we actually make power .

thats pretty funny....so only in Tampa are cars making real power? I think that you guys have the same availability of parts then us in every other part of the country....BTW, how many sub 10 second cars do you have? and 240's? I can tell you right now , that we have 2 z31's, 1 280z, and atleast 4-5 sub 10 second 240's in the local ny area at this time. 9 second cars are a dime a dozen at street races here...

Yes florida has a lot of street racers, but to think the fastest cars in the US are from Tampa is just rediculous....if your going to make claims, atleast make them some sort of realistic...

There are a lot of people with knowledge, and that can build or drive a fast car, but what in gods earth made you think that you are better than everyone else? or that 'your' cars are better than everyone else?

I just really cant believe you seem to think that in "tampa cars make real power"....im sure there are just as many cars not making power there, then everywhere else in the world...open your eyes man...

jesse

i recommend just taking a step off the high horse, and maybe put a ice pack on your head to take down the swealing....youll have a better time here if you just realize its a level playing ground..

Post by **sixxdeuce** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

does anyone know about how much power an s-14 sr20det can make with a front mount intercooler, full exhaust, intake and an ecu upgrade, but still stock turbo and fuelpump and injectors and everything else?

Post by **sr20meplease** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

those tampa guys have "sekret" plugs i guess that makes em so fast...i mean unless you have gone to every state and raced every car in that state, then you can't make claims....i'm on the east coast but i bet there are plenty of west coast cars that make "real" power...

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Thats ok Jesse, on his current path I don't think he'll be around long enough to enjoy his time here.

Post by **RageAgainstNate** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

RageAgainstNate wrote:so 13-14psi with FMIC and upgraded fuel. now when you say upgraded are you talking walbro, s-afc and larger injectors or walbro and a AEM EMS.

EDIT: come to think of it I'm sure AEM doesn't make a EMS for the DET, and I don't need a custom race one. So Jimmy is the way to go then?

I really hate to quote myself, but no ones questions are being answered.

Post by **Benny** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Man, I can believe hes giving us tampa people a bad name....GGRRR, Yeah, ok we have more than our fair share of "rice" here, but we have our share of fast cars, just like any other place including my friends S4, and my Slivia SR20DET (coming soon) so dont judge tampa by one dude, that thinks hes all that and last nights pizza....

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

When I say upgraded fuel I mean fuel pump, injectors, and something to control them with, whether it be JWT, S-AFC, stand alone, whatever. : )

Also, I don't think poorly of Tampa people, just him.

Post by **Atom12** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Daunttless wrote:Unfortunately no, nor do we offer a sponsorship discount. Dependant upon what work is done, it may be an option to put our web address on your car, but thats out of the goodness of your heart, it doesn't get you anything. : )

What about a tatoo on my forehead Daunt? That should at least get me permenant seat choice in the waiting area. You got to promise not to change the name though. I don't want a non-exsistent logo on my face.

Post by **95exludesi** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Towards the price of a swap: the average place here in Dallas, Tx will charge about 4500 for an s13 redtop installed. Rip off if you ask me...and for anyone who lives in dallas, dont get your work done at boostfactor, I have seen 2 of their cars and they are horrifically sloppy on the custom crap.

Post by **Boosted240** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

I have a friend here in the Tampa Area that does the swaps into the s14 240's for approx $1k. His name is Steve Baker. He did my swap into my s13 as well as numorus other s13's he has also done his own s14 which he sold not to long ago and a couple other s14's.If you pick up last months issue of HCI magazine he writes for them and did a big article which is in the back.. there are a few pics of local (tampa area) SR swaps and a few of them were done by him.The S13 redtop that i ordered through him cost me $2350 Delivered and included everything except the I/C, downpipe and upgraded fuel pump. Other then that... EVERYTHING was there.

As far as tampa having fast cars go.I know that we have a few sr swaps laying down over 400rwphsome fast z31's and z32'seven a few Fast hondas (can't believe i just said that )

Post by **Team503** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Whasup Benny

Here's the prices I got today, all for a red-top S13 SR20DET:

http://www.venus-auto.com/ :Front Clip (out of stock right now): $2500Engine "Set" (includes engine/transmission/ecu/turbo/harness): $2200

http://www.neishlinmotors.com/ : (Prices are on the site)Front Clip (in stock, depends on condition): $2475 - $2900Motor Set (Turbo Engine, transmission, ECU, MAP): Starting at $2000

I've seen more expensive places - Heavy Throttle (heavythrottle.com) charges about $2,500 for a 'motor set'.

I've got a buddy who has a business license that's going to get it wholesale for me (he's going to get one too). Perhaps we can get a group discount for getting three? Maybe we can hook you up!

Post by **777aaron** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Daunttless wrote:Thats ok Jesse, on his current path I don't think he'll be around long enough to enjoy his time here.

Hey dauntless,here is one vote in your direction,kick that boys a$$ off this board because he's not doing anything except for pissing in everyones cheriOs and trying to mess up the good thing we got going here by trying to make everybody hate each other just like he tries to do over on fresh alloy.Give him the boot. BTW anybody who has ever been around any fast cars know that the people that have them don't sit around and talk about how fast they are or how much H.P. they make,they are usally very kind and humbled and are willing to help you in what ever way they can,just as others helped them to get to where they are.Also,some of the fastest cars in the country come out of the N.Y./N.J. area.

Post by **bwalker240** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

Well out here in the City of the Angels, the cost for a S14 front clip and the install (with AC) into my 98 S14 was $3900.

Website · Post by **SM_s14** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:16 pm

bwalker240 wrote:Well out here in the City of the Angels, the cost for a S14 front clip and the install (with AC) into my 98 S14 was $3900.

Where was that at bwalker? I am doing the same swap in my car. If I'm not mistaken you have a Silver Moss 240 as well don't you? Mine is a 97.

Average price on a swap?

Average price on a swap?

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