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I was wondering if any one could tell me or point me in the direction of some auto engineers? or even engineers in genral. thanks for the help
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Almost all Automotive Engineers and in training Engineers belong to the SAE. There are local chapters in every college which has a AE program.http://www.sae.org/servlets/index
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-- ESWIFT -- i didnt know all that but i realy started solidifying me idea in the feild when i read bout the FSAE or formula SAE as im sure you know. that realy soulds cool, not the concept alone but the work and thought process involved too
-- EZcheese -- (answers in sequance cuz any thing else wouldnt be logical) 1. Im thinking bout entering the feild but i wont unless the accutal work will use me to my potental or ability 2. YES 3. Likly 4. No or what. And i was hoping you could +D check out this thread plz Thank You -- MoNK http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ber=2
-- EZcheese -- (answers in sequance cuz any thing else wouldnt be logical) 1. Im thinking bout entering the feild but i wont unless the accutal work will use me to my potental or ability 2. YES 3. Likly 4. No or what. And i was hoping you could +D check out this thread plz Thank You -- MoNK http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ber=2
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theNUDdistBUDDhist wrote:-- ESWIFT -- i didnt know all that but i realy started solidifying me idea in the feild when i read bout the FSAE or formula SAE as im sure you know. that realy soulds cool, not the concept alone but the work and thought process involved too
-- EZcheese -- (answers in sequance cuz any thing else wouldnt be logical) 1. Im thinking bout entering the feild but i wont unless the accutal work will use me to my potental or ability 2. YES 3. Likly 4. No or what. And i was hoping you could +D check out this thread plz Thank You -- MoNK http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ber=2
Well it depends what you have interest in. Not what you are good at...what you like to do.
I mean, you may be good a math/physics/design, etc, but what do you like to do for fun? Let that be the basis of what type of education you pursue. For instance, I like cars and making them fast, but I also like to know why what I do to them makes them faster. So I went for Automotive Engineering.
If you like music, and frequencies and stuff, and are good at math, you might pursue some type of music engineering.
If you like math/physics, then I'd do some type of engineering, but as for what exactly, go after what you like to do in your spare time...away from school. That way you will be actually interested in what you are learning.
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Well i acutualy like contomplation, and math. Tho as far as fun things go id say Driving / Racing, oddly enough as it is i like "being efficaint" ill spend more time thinking about what the easyest way to do some thing is than time spent doing it. I do think it would be alot of fun engineering racecars (Nissans), and than racing them; but then again i need to know what i need for schooling an such. What classes, how much schooling theree is, how far in can i start in the feild, sallaries. Ya know ? If you / anyone could help with those it would be greatly apricaited. -- MoNK
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theNUDdistBUDDhist wrote:Well i acutualy like contomplation, and math. Tho as far as fun things go id say Driving / Racing, oddly enough as it is i like "being efficaint" ill spend more time thinking about what the easyest way to do some thing is than time spent doing it. I do think it would be alot of fun engineering racecars (Nissans), and than racing them; but then again i need to know what i need for schooling an such. What classes, how much schooling theree is, how far in can i start in the feild, sallaries. Ya know ? If you / anyone could help with those it would be greatly apricaited. -- MoNK
If I had to do it again, and if I were going to go all the way through school, this is what I would do:
Start out by getting an A.S. degree in Automotive Technololgy. And good tech school. If you don't care where, and have no idea on what to choose, Ferris State University is a good one, in Big Rapids, MI. (My dad is a prof there for the program
)Then, I would continue education by getting a B.S. in Automotive Engineering Technology. I'd recommend Minnesota State University (where I went to school), because I *know* they have a good program, and it is the only one in the country that is ABET accredited. And it requires a lot more math and theory than does the same program at other schools.
Then, I would continue farther by getting your M.S. in Precision Engineering. The only school that has this program is University of Central Florida. I went there for one semester but dropped out because I was too broke to continue, but that was me, not you.
And if you still want to continue education, look for a doctorate program in engine theory. There are a few out there but I don't know where exactly.
This is ofcourse if you want to be educated in cars and theories of engines and such. For more info on MSU, do a search, because there was a fairly large thread covering every question possible about MSU.
If you are looking into getting more into the design work and such, then I would go more towards and art degree than engineering. And I think GM has a design program up in Michigan that is supposed to be really good. I don't know as much about that end of the spectrum though.
Torry has a very good map of a possible way of getting there, but it is very specific. at this point, you have plenty of options.
another possible path:
continue doing what you are doing in terms of messing around with cars/getting some hands-on experience.
get into a good state school. it doesnt need to have an automotive engineering program at all. in fact, most 4 year schools dont! (mechanical is what you want, you will specialize in auto classes in your upperclassmen years)
when you are looking over the millions of schools: keep in mind that a BS degree with "technology" pasted on the end of it is less mathematically intensive. Initial salaries vary, but in general a BS in ME will get you more cash off the bat than a BS in an engineering technolgy will. of course, everything is relative, and you should do what you want. salaries become very dependent on your skills, so a tech degree can still get you really really far, if youre that good.
in any case, in general - engineering technology degrees skim over some mathematical details in exchange for a more hands-on approach.
if you dont want to get heavily into the math, a tech degree is exactly what you want.
with a BS from a good state school in ME, these days you could expect anywhere between 30-50k a year, starting. (job market has been bad for engineers, recently) by the time you graduate, it could in fact be much more.
at that point, you could jump into an auto related job, where you would learn everything else you need to know very quickly in your specific field.
if you are really good, some companies will pay for you to get your Masters.
you could also go straight into grad school after you get a BS. (best option in my opinion). in this case, you will be able to do state of the art research in your chosen discipline.
check this link to see what auto research i might soon be choosing from, here:automotive systems:http://www.mie.uiuc.edu/conten...s.asp
U of I, probably U of Mich also, has a 2 year graduate program: MS in ME, and your MBA. super deal!!
with these degrees, and research, you should be irresistable:easily commanding anywhere in the 40-70k range.
you could get a PhD, but in my opinion, it dooms you to academia: being a prof or researcher. you CAN hold a engineering job, but you will most likely be a manager of sorts. it tends to separate the engineer from the actual work, and these jobs of course are much less available, and tend to pay not more more (starting) than a masters plus the MBA.
FSAE is great...i have been inactive for a while because i have been so busy with my studies.
i went to the status meeting on thursday, and it seems we have a variable intake runner system prototyped....(really cool in my opinion)
in summary, there are lots of paths. if you are smart, a good worker, and dedicated, you should be able to get into doing whatever it is you want to do, by many paths. some might be shorter paths, while others may be less fulfilling. is up to you to make all the decisions along the way.
another possible path:
continue doing what you are doing in terms of messing around with cars/getting some hands-on experience.
get into a good state school. it doesnt need to have an automotive engineering program at all. in fact, most 4 year schools dont! (mechanical is what you want, you will specialize in auto classes in your upperclassmen years)
when you are looking over the millions of schools: keep in mind that a BS degree with "technology" pasted on the end of it is less mathematically intensive. Initial salaries vary, but in general a BS in ME will get you more cash off the bat than a BS in an engineering technolgy will. of course, everything is relative, and you should do what you want. salaries become very dependent on your skills, so a tech degree can still get you really really far, if youre that good.
in any case, in general - engineering technology degrees skim over some mathematical details in exchange for a more hands-on approach.
if you dont want to get heavily into the math, a tech degree is exactly what you want.
with a BS from a good state school in ME, these days you could expect anywhere between 30-50k a year, starting. (job market has been bad for engineers, recently) by the time you graduate, it could in fact be much more.
at that point, you could jump into an auto related job, where you would learn everything else you need to know very quickly in your specific field.
if you are really good, some companies will pay for you to get your Masters.
you could also go straight into grad school after you get a BS. (best option in my opinion). in this case, you will be able to do state of the art research in your chosen discipline.
check this link to see what auto research i might soon be choosing from, here:automotive systems:http://www.mie.uiuc.edu/conten...s.asp
U of I, probably U of Mich also, has a 2 year graduate program: MS in ME, and your MBA. super deal!!
with these degrees, and research, you should be irresistable:easily commanding anywhere in the 40-70k range.
you could get a PhD, but in my opinion, it dooms you to academia: being a prof or researcher. you CAN hold a engineering job, but you will most likely be a manager of sorts. it tends to separate the engineer from the actual work, and these jobs of course are much less available, and tend to pay not more more (starting) than a masters plus the MBA.
FSAE is great...i have been inactive for a while because i have been so busy with my studies.
i went to the status meeting on thursday, and it seems we have a variable intake runner system prototyped....(really cool in my opinion)
in summary, there are lots of paths. if you are smart, a good worker, and dedicated, you should be able to get into doing whatever it is you want to do, by many paths. some might be shorter paths, while others may be less fulfilling. is up to you to make all the decisions along the way.
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Thanks for the help guyz.
As far as schooling goes, the shorter the better. I was originally thinking about getting in to Psychiatry / psychology but you need yrs plus your specialty. An I cant wait 10 yrs to start my career, so I though Ele / Mech Engineering for short term until then. Though I already have roots in Information Technology but nothing I have followed though with yet. Though I might need to stick with it until I can work as an engineer. What is there in the way of placement, can I take class finals instead of having to sit though the real easy stuff for Math / Science?
IM still concerned with what would consume a typical work day as you finish the schooling. I wanna know that what ill be doing in the field is what I like to do now.
-- Eswift -- you said "if you dont want to get heavily into the math, a tech degree is exactly what you want" well what if i wanted some thing really math intensive? what would that be? and i would rather that (math intensive) since it will build on me strengths
So correct me if IM wrong but the general path is yrs of crap / foundation - Basics- Math / Sci / Eng. followed by 2 yrs for the BS in ME? And 2 more for MS?
FSAE sounds awesome but I wanna do stuff like that on a larger scale and on a daily basis. From design on. what would the title for that be?
Its not the carrer im after its the kind of work ill be doing that i think might be under engineering -- Thx as always -- MoNK
As far as schooling goes, the shorter the better. I was originally thinking about getting in to Psychiatry / psychology but you need yrs plus your specialty. An I cant wait 10 yrs to start my career, so I though Ele / Mech Engineering for short term until then. Though I already have roots in Information Technology but nothing I have followed though with yet. Though I might need to stick with it until I can work as an engineer. What is there in the way of placement, can I take class finals instead of having to sit though the real easy stuff for Math / Science?
IM still concerned with what would consume a typical work day as you finish the schooling. I wanna know that what ill be doing in the field is what I like to do now.
-- Eswift -- you said "if you dont want to get heavily into the math, a tech degree is exactly what you want" well what if i wanted some thing really math intensive? what would that be? and i would rather that (math intensive) since it will build on me strengths
So correct me if IM wrong but the general path is yrs of crap / foundation - Basics- Math / Sci / Eng. followed by 2 yrs for the BS in ME? And 2 more for MS?
FSAE sounds awesome but I wanna do stuff like that on a larger scale and on a daily basis. From design on. what would the title for that be?
Its not the carrer im after its the kind of work ill be doing that i think might be under engineering -- Thx as always -- MoNK
you get a BS in ME in 4 years. i wouldnt say any of it is crap, it is all useful in some sense. For instance, i have learned a lot about circuits, control systems, singal processing...etc...which is all becoming very important for new developments in the automotive industry. every new accessory or system that is/will be coming out, is heavily electronically based.
you can proficiency out of calc I and II, chemistry, and physics, through testing or AP tests in high school. Every other class in the curriculum covers material that you will not have seen in HS or a 2 year institution.
if you want math intensive, you go for the BS in engineering, not engineering technology.
yes, 2 years for a masters. 2 years for a masters and MBA combined. (MBA is really easy to get, compared to MS ME, so its just sortof thrown in if you want)
the only thing you are going to find to better FSAE is a real job in the automotive industry as a design engineer. you really need a BS for that type of work. you can work on FSAE every day of the week, if you want. it all depends on how much time you want to put in.
if you want to do what FSAE does, you get a BS in ME and take it from there.
explain more what you want, maybe that would help.
you can proficiency out of calc I and II, chemistry, and physics, through testing or AP tests in high school. Every other class in the curriculum covers material that you will not have seen in HS or a 2 year institution.
if you want math intensive, you go for the BS in engineering, not engineering technology.
yes, 2 years for a masters. 2 years for a masters and MBA combined. (MBA is really easy to get, compared to MS ME, so its just sortof thrown in if you want)
the only thing you are going to find to better FSAE is a real job in the automotive industry as a design engineer. you really need a BS for that type of work. you can work on FSAE every day of the week, if you want. it all depends on how much time you want to put in.
if you want to do what FSAE does, you get a BS in ME and take it from there.
explain more what you want, maybe that would help.
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humm, i like it when people make you think.
Engineering aside, i want a career that is going to challange me an make me work (not only in schooling) in ways i am already above avrige in ( Logic / Math ). Idealy id be able to apply that "skill" towards some thing fun, i dont want / wont drag my self to a job i hate.
I like cars / racing and contemplating the "how" in development / deployment. I have spent WAY more time thinking about the BEST way to set up my network, than it will take me to acutualy set it up. Now that i say that i think some type of designing.
The peoblem is i dont know what field i will get that from. You have any ideas? do you know what im trying to find out? Thx - MoNK
Engineering aside, i want a career that is going to challange me an make me work (not only in schooling) in ways i am already above avrige in ( Logic / Math ). Idealy id be able to apply that "skill" towards some thing fun, i dont want / wont drag my self to a job i hate.
I like cars / racing and contemplating the "how" in development / deployment. I have spent WAY more time thinking about the BEST way to set up my network, than it will take me to acutualy set it up. Now that i say that i think some type of designing.
The peoblem is i dont know what field i will get that from. You have any ideas? do you know what im trying to find out? Thx - MoNK
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GREAT. i thought it might be but i wasnt sure. So from what we were talking bout ME / AE are what im looking for? Now that i know its what i want to do i need to know more bout the details - schooling / courses and such. do u have / know any sites i should check out? Once again THANK YOU and EVERYONE else for all the help, it is very apricated -- MoNK
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Been away from the thread for a day or so, but I just wanna say a few things.
swift is right about the tech degrees. It sounds like an engineering degree would be much better suited for you. There are actually 3 levels of degrees. There is Technology, Engineering Technology, and Engineering.
Engineering degrees will usually require math up through differential equations, finite analysis and such. An Eng. Tech degree usually requires up through Calc I, and in some cases calc II. A plain technology degree usually only requires some algebra and maybe pre-calculus.
If you plan on going for your M.S. in engineering, then go for engineering for your B.S. as well. Since my degree was an Eng. Tech. degree, I had to take Calc III and Differential equations my first (and only) semester towards my Master's, to make up for the lack of math required for my B.S.
Like swift said, you can't get out of most classes though. I was able to test out of Calc I by taking AP Calc in HS, but other classes are too specific to have already learned the stuff. And also like swift said, math does get harder, and you *WILL* be challanged, despite how well you did in Geometry/Algebra or whatever in HS. I think I got a high A in Geometry honors in high school...and I failed calc III and got a D in diff eq, because I didn't have time to study (financial problems caused this). But as long as you study and are math-smart, you should be able to get through them no problem, but it will be challanging. I'm sure I could pull of a B in both those classes if I didn't have other things in my life hanging over my head. Anyway...back to topic...i think i'm wandering away....
If you are going for an enginnering degree, or even engineering tech degree, then they work a little different that other degrees as far as general education goes. Most degrees, your first 2 years are gen ed, followed by 2 years of degree-specific classes. In engineering, you have to be taking degree-specific classes from the beginning. So many classes are required, if you don't start on them right away, you will never graduate in 4 years.
swift is right about the tech degrees. It sounds like an engineering degree would be much better suited for you. There are actually 3 levels of degrees. There is Technology, Engineering Technology, and Engineering.
Engineering degrees will usually require math up through differential equations, finite analysis and such. An Eng. Tech degree usually requires up through Calc I, and in some cases calc II. A plain technology degree usually only requires some algebra and maybe pre-calculus.
If you plan on going for your M.S. in engineering, then go for engineering for your B.S. as well. Since my degree was an Eng. Tech. degree, I had to take Calc III and Differential equations my first (and only) semester towards my Master's, to make up for the lack of math required for my B.S.
Like swift said, you can't get out of most classes though. I was able to test out of Calc I by taking AP Calc in HS, but other classes are too specific to have already learned the stuff. And also like swift said, math does get harder, and you *WILL* be challanged, despite how well you did in Geometry/Algebra or whatever in HS. I think I got a high A in Geometry honors in high school...and I failed calc III and got a D in diff eq, because I didn't have time to study (financial problems caused this). But as long as you study and are math-smart, you should be able to get through them no problem, but it will be challanging. I'm sure I could pull of a B in both those classes if I didn't have other things in my life hanging over my head. Anyway...back to topic...i think i'm wandering away....
If you are going for an enginnering degree, or even engineering tech degree, then they work a little different that other degrees as far as general education goes. Most degrees, your first 2 years are gen ed, followed by 2 years of degree-specific classes. In engineering, you have to be taking degree-specific classes from the beginning. So many classes are required, if you don't start on them right away, you will never graduate in 4 years.
i had a similar bout with calc III and differential equations, didnt pass first time through, took em at a community college over the summer. definitely some challenging mathematics...average grade in both classes was a D, no curve at all. again, looking back those classes shouldnt have been a problem, (got an A and a B the second time through no sweat), but you really need to set aside (a lot) of time to get down with it.