Attn. Chet

[goldollar]

Whats going on Chet, this is Reggie, AIM same as nico screen name, long time man. Anyway im revamping my entire car due to unforseen circumstances, and im at the point where i have been looking into a good suspension setup for allaround performance, interested in particating in some auto-x events this summer. As of now i have Apexi world class coilovers in the rear, unknow jdm springs/gab struts upfront. I was looking into getting suspension technicque sway bars, still havent decided on what strut tower bars i wanna go with, energy bushings, stainless steel break lines, slooted rotors, and performance brake pads,also undecided at the moment. Ive also narrowed wheels down to Yokohama AVS ES100 or Pirelli P6000. My major question what are the major advantages of upgrading the suspension bushings, because i notice a lil play in the suspension when i push the car hard but im not sure if that will correct itself with sway bars and strut tower bars. thes post isnt directly foucesd towards chet, so anyone with any helpfull info,i would greatly appreciate your insight as well.

[nismofly]

Ive also narrowed wheels down to Yokohama AVS ES100 or Pirelli P6000

those are tires, wheels are inside them

as for the question about the bushings, the way i would approach it is you should do them because instead of using the bars to correct the slop, which is not what their purpose is, you can get new bushings so you dont have to worry about them and then you can use the bars for their intended purpose

[goldollar]

I meant tires, just was typing before thinking. As far as the slop in the suspension, im not as informed in suspension as i would like to be. What I mean by when i say slop is i notice the car dosnt want to hold its line when the car is bieng pushed very hard in the coners,i know that stiffing componets would greatly help that, but there isnt any real noticable suspension play THAT I CAN tell, but seeing how i am going to be under the car i figured the bushings would be a good upgrade, but what are the actuall benifits of upgrading the bushings. thank you for the reply by the way.

[nismofly]

lol happens to the best of us

really the benefit of upgrading bushings from what ive learned is performace

the only reason the car has soft bushings is for ride quality, if you dont worry about that and you get harder bushings id assume it would make the car more predictable and perform better...some of the suspension gurus will be able to explain it better im sure

[deezlins]

the bushings will prevent your suspension from feeling "sloppy", and will make everything feel kind of tighter and more solid and responsive.

With your car not holding a line, it might have something to do with slip angle of your tires? What exactly does it do when you say it doesnt hold a line, and how hard are you pushing it?

[Exar-Kun]

Reggie, PM me sometime when I'm not flooded with work crap and studying for the GMAT. I'll slam you with questions, but I'll give you a lot of good options.

I'm not a fan of poly bushings because they WILL bind, but I'll telk to you online more about it...you've got too many things open here for me to make a run at.

-Chet

[Red coupe]

wich bushings will bind? Ive heard you go from "ive heard of them binding" to "they may bind" and now "they WILL bind"... do you have personal experiance with them? Ive heard you specificaly mention the tension rod bushings in previous discusions. I may not be a genious about this stuff, but with the 3 piece design of energy suspensions tc bushings I wouldn't worrie about them...

[Exar-Kun]

poly urethane bushings are prone to binding because of their nature, you can grease them slightly, which will reduce this probablility, but because it is so rigid, they almost always bind after time sets in to dry them up.

Poly Graphite seems to be better, from what I've read, but suffers from other problems.

The rear bushings are not so much a concern as the front, since the differnet links ensure the arms move in a solid arc.

The front T/C rods, however, twist slightly, and if you remove this ablity the twisting/sheering force is transmitte to the LCA (hence the stories of them cracking).

THe binding thing comes from learning more about bushing materials. I wondered why Jeff told me to grease my ST sway bar bushings until i read about it...

I try to read more about these things, and as I do my opinions and inputs generally change,a nd sometimes I realise my own previous assumptions are false....(that sucks. admitting you're an idiot...but, its all aprt of learning I suppose)

To be honest, I would only worry about the binding thing if the bushing is going to be bexpected to twise a lot (IE T/C rod)....

but thats just my conjecture.-Chet

[Red coupe]

have you actualy held the bushing In your hand for the T/C rods?I spoke with my teacher about thembefore I purchased them, he said binding problems generaly occure when the car sees rapid temperature changes, also the portion that holds the medal cylinder in the center of the bushing is only about 1/2" wide, the two sides that slip into the tension rod and fill out eather side of the middle support can slide outward and twist, Kinda hard to explain but the its a 3 piece bushing and the outer peices are like cylinders that are fatter in the center, so they can rotate and slide outward so center bar can move pretty well.

Just currious as to your opinions and again personal experiance with the actual product...