As much as I hate to start another wheel thread...

[KimberKenobi]

I need to not sound like an idiot when I call these people. I'm already an idiot... these are 5 lug, but I've already posted the thread... so, let's answer the following questions minus the fact that I can't get these wheels.

0.) Okay... wait... it let me tell it that the wheels were for a 2007 Nissan Versa and didn't state that the concealed lug wheels wouldn't fit... it didn't let me try to select the open lug wheels... and so I looked at it again, and the concealed lug wheels come in 4x100 lug pattern and will fit... right?? (This is probably the stupidest question in this thread since 'Discount Tire' says it'll fit...)

I. Firstly, to Bulld0g... can I get a photoshop of the Camel with these:Is there a specific angle you need the Camel in for this chop? (I'm considering the concealed lug, which they don't show in the panel with the colors)

II. A)Secondly... I want to go to a 205 width. The number after the slash which indicates the percentage of side wall is really hurting by brain (See II.C.4).

B) The wheel size I picked is 17"x7" (which was listed as a plus two... meaning that it's 2" bigger than the stock wheels - if I have this right)

C) So then my tire sizes were 205/45-17, 205/50-17, and 215/45-17. 1) I chose 205/50-17 and found a set of Yokohama S.drive tires for $115 each. 2) As of no consequence is the fact that the 205/45-17 in the same tire is the same price. 3) I definitely don't want to go to the 215 size... 4) I'm not sure if the 50's would fit on the Camel because I have no idea what the overall size of this would be... it makes my brain hurt. 5) okay, I sat down and thought this through... stock tires = 185/65 which equals ~7"/4.5" (thus overall size of 15"+9" = 24")205/50 equals 8"/4" (thus overall size of 17"+8" = 25") which is what I want - an increase of the overall size of the tire. OMG, is this right?!?

III.) So then thirdly, there's all the other stuff I'll have to deal with...A) This would make it so that my speedo would be off in a matter that would make it show slower than my actual speed... right? (Can this be calibrated?)

B) My engine rpms would be lower for each revolution of the wheel?

C) Would/how would this affect my fuel economy?

D) What is this offset business and how would/does it affect me?

E) Anything I need to think of that I missed?

IV.) oh, and the 'out the door' price is $1231, but I would need my sensors mounted and I'm not sure if that would affect price... There's a Discount Tire in Funchester (Winchester, Kentucky) but I don't want to call them until I feel a bit better about the terminology/possible problems...

[audtatious]

and the concealed lug wheels come in 4x100 lug pattern and will fit... right?? (This is probably the stupidest question in this thread since 'Discount Tire' says it'll fit...)

Nissan is 4x114.3. If the rims have two-sets of 4 (8 holes total) then they will have a 4x100 AND 4x114.3 mounting capability. I would validate first.

II. A)Secondly... I want to go to a 205 width. The number after the slash which indicates the percentage of side wall is really hurting by brain (See II.C.4).

Yes, percentage of width.

B) The wheel size I picked is 17"x7" (which was listed as a plus two... meaning that it's 2" bigger than the stock wheels - if I have this right)

sure

C) So then my tire sizes were 205/45-17, 205/50-17, and 215/45-17. 1) I chose 205/50-17 and found a set of Yokohama S.drive tires for $115 each. 2) As of no consequence is the fact that the 205/45-17 in the same tire is the same price. 3) I definitely don't want to go to the 215 size... 4) I'm not sure if the 50's would fit on the Camel because I have no idea what the overall size of this would be... it makes my brain hurt. 5) okay, I sat down and thought this through... stock tires = 185/65 which equals ~7"/4.5" (thus overall size of 15"+9" = 24")205/50 equals 8"/4" (thus overall size of 17"+8" = 25") which is what I want - an increase of the overall size of the tire. OMG, is this right?!?

Stock tire =4.5" sidewall, 12.2" radius, 24.5" diameter, 76.9" circumfrence, 824 revolutions a mile.

with 205/50-17 =4" sidewall, 12.5" radius, 25.1" diameter, 78.8" circumfrence, 804 revolutions a mile.

So, with the 205/50-17 your speedometer will be 1.5mph slow at 60. Now, if you go for the 205/45-17 tire, your speedometer will be .5mph fast at 60mph.

III.) So then thirdly, there's all the other stuff I'll have to deal with...A) This would make it so that my speedo would be off in a matter that would make it show slower than my actual speed... right? (Can this be calibrated?)

See above. Both options are relatively minor

B) My engine rpms would be lower for each revolution of the wheel?

Depends on the package you get. Again, you are only looking at a maximum of a 2.5% difference.

C) Would/how would this affect my fuel economy?

Yes, assuming the new wheel/tire package is heavier you will get worse economy

D) What is this offset business and how would/does it affect me?

Here's a article I wrote for the Maxima guys but it should explain it for yahttp://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=158337

[Ever Victorious]

You're looking at a set of wheels exactly the same size as my new wheels. I am going for the 215/45/17's to keep the speedo and odometer as accurate as possible. with a .6% difference between stock and the new tires, there's no point recalculating my mileage or speed for fuel economy or driving because it's so minute.

Matt had a good point with the weight of the wheels. I was hoping Shreqboi would have weighed one of his wheels before he sent it out, but alas it was not to be.

Wheels and tires are considered rotational mass because they are, well, rotating parts that are directly connected to the drivetrain. More rotational mass = slower acceleration and poorer fuel economy. less rotational mass = quicker acceleration and better fuel economy. The degree of which this affects the car depends. I'll find out for sure when I actually put my wheels on.

[audtatious]

Additional rotational mass + additional unsprung weight.

[NY.AD.MAN]

Aluminum wheels actually weigh LESS than the standard steelies and larger tires, mostly because tires are the brundt of the weight and the steelies themselves weigh more than a larger aluminum wheel.

THUS, you get a larger, less weighted rim with a wider and shorter tire = better grip because of wider tire with lower overall weight = better performance.

Adding aftermarket wheels will NEVER hurt, but rather IMPROVE performance... UNLESS you put c[h]rome wheels on, and then you were never going for performance anyways.

[audtatious]

It all depends on the overall weight. I have seen lower-profile tires weigh more due to the extra material used to strengthen the sidewalls.

Does anyone know the weight of the factory rim/tire combo?

[Ever Victorious]

The dilemma for both Kimber and I, NY, is that we both have SL's... so our wheels are alloy already.

In most cases, an alloy of Plus 2 size is about the same weight as an OEM steel wheel.

If anyone happens to have an UNMOUNTED SL alloy that could weigh it for us, please please PLEASE do so!

[lain]

heh the crown with the 2 dots on top...i was going to say is that a Rolex wheel?! But Rolex's have 3 dots.

I'm not too much of a fan of thin spokes. What company are those wheels anyways?

[biggie]

I have 17x7's on one car right now and also run the 215/45/17.

To save you a lot of calc'ing:http://www.venommotorsports.co...r.asp

[Ever Victorious]

I'm not too much of a fan of thin spokes. What company are those wheels anyways?

That's Konig.

[bulld0g]

Its funny you picked these I have thought about these ones too......I was trying to find a better pic of the wheel actually on a car but no luck so here ya go Kimber.....

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Modified by bulld0g at 1:17 PM 12/19/2007

[lain]

Thats some nice ps skills. I think the front wheel looks too small though. Could be me...but if you make the front wheel a little bigger I think that would look dope.

[KimberKenobi]

Thanks to everyone (especially Matt) for the info... (for some reason I was thinking of offset as a forward/backward movement instead of a nearer/farther movement... can we tell I've never gotten aftermarket wheels before?)

I talked to Zach at Discount Tires and the weight of the wheel/tire combo I picked out will be 47-48 lbs... is that heavy? I think the wheel weight was 23 lbs (I didn't remember that in favor of retaining the overall weight)...

Zach also said that the concealed lug had the 8 holes so it would fit 4-100 and 4-114.

... so, do people not usually have something recalibrated so that their mileage and speedo are correct? (Or just remember that for every 40 miles, I have 1 mile too many? Did I do that right?) ... just used the link, very nice! Only 2 mph greater @ 80... so I won't get myself into too much trouble... ;oD I'm still thinking I might want to get this calibrated (if that's even possible) just because I'm anal like that...

OMG! Bulld0g, that's awesome!!! Eeeeehhhhhhhh!I love them! I think they'd also look good on your V... I hope you don't mind if we have the same wheels because I'm already planning on these... ;oD they are awesome on Ol' Camel!

[bulld0g]

just for kicks....

[audtatious]

If you know that a tire/wheel combo is going to be a bit fast or a bit slow then you simply adjust your speed accordingly. I don't see it is worth the effort or investment to calibrate a speedometer when you are only 1mph off at 60.

FWIW, the factory 17" aluminum rims from my Maxima are 21lbs. While I don't have specifics for the Versa 15" alloy wheels, my assumption would be appx 15lbs each (which should be pretty close to truth). The 15" steel wheels are probably 20lbs by themselves for those so equipped.

[KimberKenobi]

Hmmm... here's hoping I'm not about to sacrifice my Camel's pep!

[KimberKenobi]

(Bulld0g, you may appreciate this as well) Someone on CarDomain found me, they also have the HotSwaps... They were disappointed in the "cheap" feel of the inserts and the fact that most of what is holding them in place is double-sided tape. I am placing an order for a set of inserts so that I can see their construction for myself...

In the meantime, I am investigating different wheel options (for the possibility that I don't want to pay $165 per wheel for something that I'm not going to be happy with the construction of.

So I'm looking at these:Konig Britelite $136 / wheel(worried that they may be too much with the stripes, red trim, and roundels of the Camel)

Enkei J10 $136 / wheel

Voxx Monza $135 / wheel

[biggie]

I would suggest you look up the Sportmax 002 wheels in red, you'd probably enjoy them. I know someone had a set on a Versa, think they were 15 or 16 x 7 or 8 with an offset of around 35 or 40.

[KimberKenobi]

Unfortunately, I can only find that in a 15x8

but I did find these:SportMax 006 $150 / wheel

[Ever Victorious]

Kimber was born with a can of red paint in her hand...

Those last Sportmax's do nothing for me personally, Kimber... too spokey.

[KimberKenobi]

mwahahaha!

I still favor the HotSwaps (provided that the inserts I am receiving aren't 'OMG so cheap' when they arrive...) I don't know what I want if I'm not happy with those... I kinda had my little <3 set on being able to switch between carbon fiber, blue, and red...

[biggie]

One other possible one, not sure if they were mentioned.

Rota Jmag, 16x7 +40 offset, $620 for 4 of them:

[KimberKenobi]

I like that... I'll have to give that some thought... I'm still holding out for the HotSwaps... but because of the holidays, it'll probably be Thursday or Friday before my inserts are in...

[NY.AD.MAN]

If you go to discount tire, they have a special on the J10's for just under $700 for wheels AND tires... installed.

[KimberKenobi]

I don't know how I feel about the J10's...

Bulld0gThat pic of the Versa with the red wheels (Konig BriteLite), can you photochop the Camel onto those wheels or those wheels onto the Camel (I'm trusting you understand what I'm saying).

[bulld0g]

sure...I'll give it a go

[KimberKenobi]

I love that you got a title and are now obligated to do our bidding *evil laugh*

no, really, I'm sure you enjoy it and we all really appreciate it!!

[bulld0g]

here are the Britelites.....

[bulld0g]

Hey Kimber did you decide on Wheels yet?

[KimberKenobi]

sigh... I was wondering when someone would ask...

Well, my grandiose plans have come crashing to the ground. I've decided to move out and live on my own... in Louisville (hear that Matt, I'm coming your way!)... so I'm moving back "home" so that I can hang out with my friends and spend time with the other half of my immediate family. I don't know how it will go financially, so everything is getting put on hold (except for my new line of 'kill marks' because I need a slight something and they're $5 a piece... well all need to treat ourselves occasionally) ... so the Camel will likely get new tires, but not new wheels and the rest of my tax return will go into savings to make sure I can hack it on my own.

On the upside, I applied for a job today (Environmental Technologist) in which I could use my degree, keep the same pay, and not be put on 'probation' again. The kicker is I'd have to commute to Frankfort... unless I could deal with not living in Louisville.

My friend Tiffany said she'd move to Louisville with me to help me get set up, my friend's fiance (long story) said he'd move in with me until he and my friend are ready to move in together, and I just talked to my friend Denise who is back from Germany and is willing to go to Louisville with me since she has no immediate plans for housing or work... ... ... yeah. So I get to get out on my own, but also have the opportunity for 'training wheels' ... but it means I would no longer live with my ex-boyfriend, and that is a definite step in the right direction.

so yeah, the Camel does come second to my eternal happiness, even if it does make me happy to lavish the Camel with nice things ;oD But I've already ordered a set of the HotSwaps inserts, so if I like those, I may set aside part of the 'spending money' part of my budget toward a savings for the new wheels so that I can get them. If the inserts feel too cheap, I won't worry about it, I'll buy new tires, and I'll give the wheels some more time and thought. No point in getting something that I don't love, especially when I'm okay with the setup I currently have.