Are you satisfied with your VLSD

[240sx_Gold]

Many topics posted on the VLSD, my question for the ones who actually installed the VLSD on their cars, Are you satisfied with the the VLSD performanceIf you had to do it all over, would you still choose VLSD due to the cost difference?

I can have a VLSD installed on my S14 for about $500 vs. $1200 for KAAZ LSD, what do you recommend?

[Joe]

its not nicknamed the "piece of sh*t VLSD" because it works.

for drifting, a VLSD sucks. might work for a while, but dont hold your breath.

spend the money, get a real one. Kaaz, ATS, etc.

[naed240sx]

I was happy with mine for about a month. After that I hated it.

I now have an s15 helical, and I want to marry it.

[240DRFT]

i recently put way one. its a million times better than an open diff, but sucks *** compared to a clutch-type. i shoulda just saved up for a kaaz 2way

[707]

when u get, its so exciting to spin both tires over one but after a while u will wish u bought a clutch type. personally im gonna weld mine. my girlfriends car has a welded diff and its all kinds of fun. u never wonder if its gonna lock or stay locked

[916drifter]

never liked my friends, wore out after like a month... my clutch type 1000000 times better...but vlsd is good for begginners...imo...

[Joe]

I was happy with mine for about a month. After that I hated it.

I now have an s15 helical, and I want to marry it.

heh try a clutch diffyou will hate the helical.

[BuLLeTdrift]

As far as cost, nothing beats a welded. I have one and i'll never switch to anything else unless i get a 2 way clutch type from a sponser. Even if i had the money for a clutch type, i'd prolly still go with welded. i know 916drifter and Kamin will hate on a welded diff cuz its not "functional". But hey lsd stands for "limited slip differential", and a welded diff has the least amount of slip in it. It has none! lol.

I dont wanna get into a welded vs lsd war here, cuz its been done over and over again.

Any ways, VLSD is "ok". None ever wore out. I liked mine but when i knew it was time to get serious, i welded my open diff.

I guess its like this:Open: SUCKS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD!VLSD: Great for daily, ok for drifting, ok for grip. Somewhat short lifespan.HLSD:GREAT for grip, great for daily, bad for drifting. Unsure of lifespan.Clutch type: GREAT for drifting, GOOD for grip, bad for daily. Good lifespan.Welded: GREAT for drifting, good for grip, bad for daily. If done correctly, will outlast ur car.

Please dont kill me if you think different of my lil chart.

[naed240sx]

I guess its like this:Open: SUCKS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD!VLSD: Great for daily, ok for drifting, ok for grip. Somewhat short lifespan.HLSD:GREAT for grip, great for daily, bad for drifting. Unsure of lifespan.Clutch type: GREAT for drifting, GOOD for grip, bad for daily. Good lifespan.Welded: GREAT for drifting, good for grip, bad for daily. If done correctly, will outlast ur car.

I disagree. In my opinion, helical is actually better for drifting than a viscous. It is far more predicatable. (Yes, I have owned both, and enter drift events) Also, viscous diffs are at best OK for daily, while Helicals are GOD for daily given the way they make the car grip, and the open diff feel when simply cruising around.

[Joe]

helical diff's suck for drifting, period. the way they work is meant to ELIMINATE what happens in a drift.

and as for me "hating" on welded. welded is by far better than open or VLSD but nowhere NEAR as good as a clutch diff. try owning a clutch differential before you make big broad statments like that. its worth every penny.

the best mods i have ever done to my car, in order are this

1) nissan titan to tow2) Tein coilovers3) kaaz diff4) rb25

[~4N~]

Get a 2-way. I'd say get your diff welded like me, but I feel like I keep saying that on here too often.

[BuLLeTdrift]

as for me "hating" on welded. welded is by far better than open or VLSD but nowhere NEAR as good as a clutch diff. try owning a clutch differential before you make big broad statments like that. its worth every penny.

I know clutch types are hella good. My friend has one and i like the way it feels, but i just happen to like my welded for me better. I didn't mean to make sucha "broad" statement. You know ur stuff and i wouldn't question ur comments, but i know most people who own clutch types look down upon welded diffs cuz they dont have a brand name.

either way, welded or clutch type owns vlsd. and open...I lol at open!
Modified by BuLLeTdrift at 4:13 PM 9/15/2006

[~4N~]

If I had money for any kind of an LSD, I'd keep my welded diff and get coilovers.

[GhostDriver]

VLSD is ok for a while but you'll want to upgrade badly (as I do). It's fine for wet weather or traction limited conditions but not the choice of professionals when it comes to performance (at least for Nissans).

[naed240sx]

helical diff's suck for drifting, period. the way they work is meant to ELIMINATE what happens in a drift.

I spent all sunday this weekend participating at a drift event. My differential felt great. The only tricky thing was re-learning how to do transitions. After that, it was perfect. I rode along with people with welded diffs, and clutch diffs, and their cars do not feel any better, and the helical seemed to give me more room for error, and made it easier to acheive lots of angle without spinning.

If Helicals really did "suck" for drifting, I would not have been able to drive as good as people with welded diffs, especially considering that my personal skills are not better than the people I am comparing myself to.

Ohh, and I'll have videos posted by this time next week.

[BuLLeTdrift]

hey naed240sx, have you tried driving on a welded or clutch type? If you can drift pretty good with ur HLSD, I'd like to see how good you are with a welded or clutch type diff. Just wondering thats all. Post up that video!

[naed240sx]

hey naed240sx, have you tried driving on a welded or clutch type? If you can drift pretty good with ur HLSD, I'd like to see how good you are with a welded or clutch type diff. Just wondering thats all. Post up that video!

I'll admit that I have not actually driven a car with a welded or clutch, but I have ridden along plenty of times, and there is not much of a difference. I'm not making the claim that helicals are better or just as good as welded or clutch diffs, i'm simply saying that they work well for drifting.

It is predictable and controllable enough to come within a few feet of the apex of high second gear corners consistantly. There were a lot of skill improving type setups at this event that were a lot of fun. They had figure 8s, 200ft skidpad, etc etc. I can do donuts around a single cone in first gear, getting closer and closer to the cone and circle it with my bumper a constant 6 inches away from it, then touch the cone without tipping it over, continue to spin circles, then increase the radius, shift to second, keep rotating around it, etc etc. I encountered no situation in which the helical seemed to have significant drawbacks.

[scruffy63]

If I had money for any kind of an LSD, I'd keep my welded diff and get coilovers.

thats the best thing I've so far in this thread. A diff. is best for the money. Never needs a rebuild. who wants to spend that kind of money every couple of months. I'm referring to the serious drifters of course.

[240sx_Gold]

It seems the welded diff is the right starting point for me, but what’s the deal with the welded Diff in the rain, is it safe to have a welded diff, I may use the car for daily use at times. I don’t want to save a $1000 now, and then end up hurting me or someone with the welded diff. Is there a safety/challenge with the welded diff.

[scruffy63]

Most people would say no. But I say it depends on the driver. Just be smart. don't speed in the rain.be careful on corners and you'll be ok.

[(Yoshi)]

I wish I had an lsd or even a welded diff instead of my open diff lol

[Florida240sx]

I just got a j30 the other day plan to have my stock one welded

[BuLLeTdrift]

It seems the welded diff is the right starting point for me, but what’s the deal with the welded Diff in the rain, is it safe to have a welded diff, I may use the car for daily use at times. I don’t want to save a $1000 now, and then end up hurting me or someone with the welded diff. Is there a safety/challenge with the welded diff.

Its not even that bad at all. Just dont try to brake traction. how hard is that? Yea driving with a welded diff makes it easier to do so, but that doesnt mean that if ur driving normal that all of a sudden ur gonna spin out just becuase you have a "welded diff". Its not that big of a deal for me. Just be soft on the throttle around turns and you'll be fine.

[marshun]

i've done the vlsd, 2way, and welded

i love the welded the best.

but this is purely for drifting.

just like a 2 way, it still gives you that slight understeer during the initial turn in. welded gives the same thing.

the arguement of being able to control coming out of a drift is crap, everyone knows that when you end the whole drift (even connecting turns) you should have less angle so that the car settles nicely. so thats out the window

welded wins foreverzzzzzzz! 80 bucks to weld compared to replacing a 1k clutch type at least once a year. no way

[naed240sx]

clutch types typically last far longer than a year.

[BuLLeTdrift]

clutch types typically last far longer than a year.

Theres no guarantee on that. But more than likely will. Depends on how much drifting you do. Doesn't any1 remember what KT said on the drift bible?? lol.

I know there is no guaruntee on welded diffs either, but if it is done right, it will outlast your car.

[916drifter]

Theres no guarantee on that. But more than likely will. Depends on how much drifting you do. Doesn't any1 remember what KT said on the drift bible?? lol.

I know there is no guaruntee on welded diffs either, but if it is done right, it will outlast your car.

maintaining it well like chaging the diff fluid before/after events and every 3-5k it will last a long time, just not as long as a good welded diff...

[240sx_Gold]

Is there a thread or photos on how to weld the diff, I doubt I can find a local welder that understand why/how it should be done. Q.: do you have to drop down the diff to get it welded or it stays on the car.

[BuLLeTdrift]

Try to find some1 who already knows what they are doing.

But i heard that some Nascar type shops do it a lot.

Probably the best easiest way is to get Luke from shock drifting to do it. You send him your diff, he welds it and guaruntees it wont break. Its below 100 bux to do so, but shipping is pretty expensive. Let me try to find the link....

.... found it: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showth...amont
Modified by BuLLeTdrift at 12:45 AM 10/1/2006

[S3t0_S13]

erghhpoor man here with open diff, other then welding, wat is reccomended for mostly daily driving, and occasionaly track use?helical viscous or clutch??sounds like clutch is really bad 4 daily use dunno why?

and who sells helical?i know the other 2 R sold by KAAZ and Cusco and the suchthanks