Are Honda and Toyota playing with the truth?

[Jesda]

http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...9.htm

[Veriest1]

I like how they hit on the RX-8's horsepower. What they're missing is that it doesn't have equivalent torque figures. It's still fast but there won't be any of this blistering acceleration they speak of even with a GT Mustang. These aren't really fast cars. Just faster than average.

[nismofly]

i think cars should just be measured at the wheels from the start

[JESTER]

Agreed. I want to know what I am actually getting, not the sales numbers.

[elwesso]

i think cars should just be measured at the wheels from the start

I agree.... That will teach them a thing or 2 about automatics!!

[elwesso]

after reading the article, i think i can agree with them.. I think a lot of the modern Japanese cars are well overrated... The VQ in the G35 and FX is rated at 280HP, but its a slower car AND its lighter than my Q45 AND it has a better gearing set.... I think theyre overrated. I hear its better in the 350Z....

Showing wheel horsepower would be a much fairer way of doing it, IMHO....

[Mr1der]

agreed....

I wanna see what it does at the tires....

certain factors in the driveline can kill the wheel numbers...

[MinisterofDOOM]

The first car to use the new testing system was the C6 Z06. So it's 505 hp is at the wheels.

Meanwhile, I find it hard to believe that the current Accord makes 160. My 93 makes 160 and is FAR more powerful according to the "butt dyno" than the Accord.

[InsanityInc]

The first car to use the new testing system was the C6 Z06. So it's 505 hp is at the wheels.

Meanwhile, I find it hard to believe that the current Accord makes 160. My 93 makes 160 and is FAR more powerful according to the "butt dyno" than the Accord.

it's still bhp, not whp.

[Mr1der]

The first car to use the new testing system was the C6 Z06. So it's 505 hp is at the wheels.

Meanwhile, I find it hard to believe that the current Accord makes 160. My 93 makes 160 and is FAR more powerful according to the "butt dyno" than the Accord.

torque son, torque.

Honda sucks at torque....I bet their two stroke dirtbikes don't even have any...

[PantherRacer]

[The Mic]

Asians are underhanded

[MinisterofDOOM]

torque son, torque.

Honda sucks at torque....I bet their two stroke dirtbikes don't even have any...

Yeah, and also my car redlines at 6k, and makes power at 3500. Not like the honda which redlines at 7k and makes power at 6k.

Their 2-strokes might not make any, but my 4-stroke XR500 sure does. First gear is solely there for wheelies and eating clutches.

[PantherRacer]

XR650R/L

those bikes are EVERYWHERE over here, and not a day goes by without yo useeing someone hoist the front wheel all the way down the road through a couple of gears.

[Rex]

Hasn't Mazda set the precident in how to resolve this misrepresentation to the consumer? Refunds or free maint wasn't it?

[Mr1der]

perhaps lousy t shirts?

[JimmyMethod]

When is the Renesis going to get a turbocharger? This will solve the Rex's whole problem.

EDIT: The rest of this post was deleted because even I didn't understand what I was talking about.
Modified by JimmyMethod at 10:05 PM 11/20/2005

[Dark-Hawk]

Yeah I've thought for years they should put the HP numbers to the wheels ... who cares what comes out at the crank, I wanna know whats there for actual usable power at the wheels.

[elwesso]

Id assume have the HP at the transmission.... Actualyl I dont care....

Theres no replacement for displacement except boost.

[Chezedik]

Yes, I know this will make me very unpopular here, but I think it should be rated at the wheels.

[gabossie]

Unpopular here? Everyone thinks it should be rated at the wheels. The only thing that's going to make you unpopular is going through and resurrecting tons of threads for a worthless post.

[Chezedik]

And he strikes again!