are games based on real battles and wars in bad taste

[themadscientist]

I`m not really a gamer, I just can`t enjoy games that much. I have observed there are a lot of games that are based on real battles and wars. The World War II games unsettled me a bit, being an American and living in Japan I guess it bothered me. I let it slide though, it was almost 60-years-ago, time to move on. I have recently seen games based on the Gulf war and Vietnam though and I am really bothered by it. I hear 16-year-old kids complaining that the grass in the game doesn`t protect you from bullets and I think about my veitnam veteran freinds who would agree, have scars to prove it and freinds of theirs who didn`t come home because of it. Call me a stick in the mud but I just find it in poor taste reliving such recent past conflicts on my computer.

[MainEvent212]

yes, i totally agree with you

i think there's like Battlefield: Vietnam?

and i think another called Vietnam 1969...i do not like the ideas at all, it's one thing to re-make the WWII games and such, but Vietnam was just so FCUKED up that it's unnecessary to bring these sentiments back, especially as an interactive video game for young kids...

i give it two thumbs down

[themadscientist]

that`s the one I mean. I`ll kill legions of Romans all day long but this ain`t cool.

[MainEvent212]

I think it's actually Medal of Honor: Vietnam

[KDashy]

Thats probably true since WWII was quite a long time ago and we all have this romantisized view of how heroic it was. But its just too soon for Vietnam.

I'm willing to bet no one will bat an eye if a vietnam game is brought out 30 years from now.

[MainEvent212]

Just like Peter from Family Guy said, "This party is lame like Teddy Roosevelt's legs...What? Too Soon?"

The proper amount of time just hasn't passed yet, just like KDashy said. Maybe in 10-15 years, after all of this war stuff has died down, and the veterans are restored to a heroic place like they were before war was viewed as such a horrible thing (finally this generation got to know what war is like and they hate it now).

TOO SOON VIDEO GAME COMPANIES! TOOO SOOOOOON!

[themadscientist]

I would like to suggest some games the companies could get to work on;

Ozzy the video game. You move Ozzy through his daily life while avoiding drug-induced comas, screaming spouses and fat loser kids. I picture a little simuozzy meandering through the levels moaning `I don`t know`

Bennifer, the quest for J-lo. You are Ben Affleck, your task is to ply miss Lopez with gifts and compliments about her butt so she will actually close the deal and marry you. You must fend off backup dancers and hip hop moguls while keeping your losermeter from maxxing out which will result in your being invited to host Saturday Night live.

The staring game. For those special people, it would use a webcam and a big eye would show on the screen. If you blink first the webcam would register it and apply a shock to your genitals

[KDashy]

what about a game based on the Revolutionary War.

I'd love to shoot a horribly inaccurate gun, spend 10 seconds stoking it and shooting again! GENIUS!

[themadscientist]

imagine the cannonballs screaming at your head like that scene in the Patriot. This is a good idea, I don`t think I have ever seen a revolutionary war game, somebody E-mail EA games or Activision.

[Altiman94]

I don't see bad taste in them. They are just games. They are quite fun to play. Buy one and you'll see.

[themadscientist]

for FPS I like quake or doom or something like that. Imagine a game where you have to drive a truck full of supplies across Iraq without getting captured by insurgents, or the battle for faluja for instance it`s not far away at the rate the game companies kick out new stuff. I`m not hating on war games I just think it`s bad form to make a game out of a war before all the participants have died and the public has had time to heal it`s mental wounds.

[Jesda]

On one hand it conjures up emotions and memories. On the other, if its realistic enough it reminds everyone how dangerous and difficult war is.

[themadscientist]

not really, I think graphic depictions of war come close but can`t truly convey the horrors of war. I was lucky that during my time in the Marine Corps I never fired a shot in anger. I wouldn`t want a game made out of my buddies getting killed.

[180crafter]

Its a game...

Pansie.

Damn hipocrits.... You can make jokes on other races, have Saving Private Ryan on DVD, and watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 times, but you have a problem with a video game????

Its not a game of your buddies being killed. Its just a game, based on an event in history.

Maybe you should go see the docs on base... since you seem to be having trouble distinguishing reality from games...

Stop being such a b1tch. If you dont like the game, dont play it. Nuff said.

[w1ngzer0]

lol yah email EA games and see what they say. I would love to see the automated response you get back >:P

It is just a game. It is fun. Battlefield 2 will be based off the middle east war.

[MainEvent212]

Its a game...

Pansie.

Damn hipocrits.... You can make jokes on other races, have Saving Private Ryan on DVD, and watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 times, but you have a problem with a video game????

Its not a game of your buddies being killed. Its just a game, based on an event in history.

Maybe you should go see the docs on base... since you seem to be having trouble distinguishing reality from games...

Stop being such a b1tch. If you dont like the game, dont play it. Nuff said.

ban

[w1ngzer0]

unban

[180crafter]

ban

Is that your only defense??? Is that all you can say?? no backbone huh??? Thats why your having a problem with these games.....

Please. I Love to play (remember the word play from your shattered childhood?) Battlefield with a bunch of online buddies. You know who they are?? All ex and current seal members. Good bunch. And they realize the difference between reality and a game.

Mainevent: I never thought of you to be this kinda person... you seemed ok with everything and play along with all the jokes we have going on.. then get offended by my commments.

[Axel Grungy]

i think both sides have a good argument, but calling eachtoher names is just pointless and immature. i dont think the games are necessarily in bad taste, i mean if you have a problem with it DONT play, simple as that.

[PalmerWMD]

I also blieve they are in poor taste.

Too many people have died horrible deaths in real conflicts, amuseing yourself with their memory is in very poor taste/

For example my grandparents never made it out of east Prussia alive before teh allied murder orgies started there (a province of germany befor the 1944-49 genocides on the german inhabitants).

Did they die waiting in line for the evacuation ships to Kiel innthe last few days of active german shipping?When allied aircraft used to machine gun the thousands standing in line hoping to get out while the few intact german units remaining sacrificed themsleves to hold off the russians from the harbors just afew more days so more people could get to kiel?

Or did they die with grandpa getting nailed to a barn door with his eyelids cut off ,so he would have to watch grandma being raped and then beaten to death with tire irons?

or did they tie them together with barbed wire and forced them under water with pitchforks until they drowned or bled to death?

Or did they hand them upside on trees douse them with gasoline and set them on fire?

Those who made it out, described thats how the populations of Konigsberg, Danzig Asch even Breslau, etc died.

Or did they actually make it to a large refugee center like Dresden, but were then burned alive with 100,000 others, when their bunker walls got cracked by HE bombs followed by liquid phospourous, while the P-51's machine gunned the firefighters?

We dont know how they died but we do know it was in a way same or similiar to one of the ones descrobed above.Any war game tends to make a good guy/bad guy scenario.This (or any othrr) country has never faught a war were they were good guys and bad guys, only bad guys and worse guys.(and sometimes the more you learn you become unsure which side deserves the "worse" appellation)

teaching folks that one side is automatically "good" (snicker) because you happen to be the citizen of that side is ludicrous, forces us to repeat history and ecourages people to blindly follow leaders whose agenda may not be out in the open.

Fred..

[180crafter]

Now we are going to criticize Mario for making plumbers look bad????

its a game leiberman..... You have played them. Dont act like such an angel.

Let me guess.... now I hate Hatians and Cubans becuz I play Grand Theft Auto, drive like crap because I like to crash in Burnout, and like to beat chickens like I do In Zelda......

Thank you. Go play with your hamster or something and exercise some restraint when you get the sudden urge to mouth off some stupidity like this.

And I am not picking on You Main... This is for all of you that have lost touch with reality.

[w1ngzer0]

lol, 180crafter i love you.

What about the band of brothers? the director made a killing off of people buying the dvd's. But i don't see any of you commenting on that.

[Cyberkreig]

180 crafter said it.

Battle Field Vietnam is a freaking awesome game. Dont like it? Who cares?

[180crafter]

I also blieve they are in poor taste.

Too many people have died horrible deaths in real conflicts, amuseing yourself with their memory is in very poor taste/

For example my grandparents never made it out of east Prussia alive before teh allied murder orgies started there (a province of germany befor the 1944-49 genocides on the german inhabitants).

Did they die waiting in line for the evacuation ships to Kiel innthe last few days of active german shipping?When allied aircraft used to machine gun the thousands standing in line hoping to get out while the few intact german units remaining sacrificed themsleves to hold off the russians from the harbors just afew more days so more people could get to kiel?

Or did they die with grandpa getting nailed to a barn door with his eyelids cut off ,so he would have to watch grandma being raped and then beaten to death with tire irons?

or did they tie them together with barbed wire and forced them under water with pitchforks until they drowned or bled to death?

Or did they hand them upside on trees douse them with gasoline and set them on fire?

Those who made it out, described thats how the populations of Konigsberg, Danzig Asch even Breslau, etc died.

Or did they actually make it to a large refugee center like Dresden, but were then burned alive with 100,000 others, when their bunker walls got cracked by HE bombs followed by liquid phospourous, while the P-51's machine guned the firefighters?

We dont know but any war game tends to make a good guy/bad guy scenario.This (or any othrr) country has never faught a war were they were good guys and bad guys, only bad guys and worse guys.(and sometimes the more you learn you become unsure which side deserves the "worse" appellation)

teaching folks that one side is automatically "good" (snicker) because you happen to be the citizen of that side is ludicrous, forces us to repeat history and ecourages people to blindly follow leaders whose agenda may not be out in the open.

Fred..

Finally Intelligent Conversation.....

I agree and disagree with you Fred. I have played ALOT of games... and never seen what you described. NEVER. And if I saw that... I probrably would think thats prety messed up. But would it stop me from finishing the game??? No. Not at all.

You listened to that that you read/saw/heard. Did you punch the person who told you that? No... You sat there and listened to it. Does it make you insensitive? No. Does it mean that you disrespect what happened? No.

A game that involves a WW should not have grass that is bullet proof. That is ridiculous. but if it did, it would just be a sucky game... not a slap in the face to the grass industry.

Please. No game considers itself a real life history simulator. Not even the Simms claims this.

This goes back to knowing the difference between right and wrong. If you can deal with the information you receive in a manner that is not detremental to your health or the health of others then you are ok. Taking the Unreal life of a Videogame and taking to heart, then you have a problem that you need to deal with.

And your final Paragraph is a very deep one. People will always follow their leaders blindly. People are a dangerous combination of stupidity and conceded. They are too stupid to realize what is really happening, and too busy to take the time to care.

No other country would put up with the crap we do... but because we are all fat and happy... who cares that we just are pawns.

I really feel that Americans as a whole will be the last to truly evolve. We are to busy thinking that we are the hot 5hit that we will never be able to see the higher level we can reach.

And when I talk, I mean generalizations. Not individuals. I know that not all of us are like this, but most are.....

[180crafter]

lol, 180crafter i love you.

Thank you for taking your time from Veteran Hating and Ethnic Bashing to back me up. I do appreciate it.

Battle Field Vietnam is a freaking awesome game. Dont like it? Who cares?

Thank you. And if you are everplaying look me up. Im RAWDIKRIK.... Capping all the stupid americans(I always play as the bad guys... their infereior firepower makes it entertaining.)......

BTW.... I love America, am an American, Born and Raised. I wouldnt want it either way. This is the best country in the world, but it doesnt mean much when the world is utter garbage.

[HashiriyaS14]

Games get a lot more recent than Vietnam.

Look at Delta Force: Blackhawk Down. That's Mogadishu.

There's no line of "too soon" that can be drawn, nor are deaths in WWII any more palatable than deaths in Vietnam. The time length doesn't matter, if you can kill a digitized roman legionary than you can kill a digitized Iraqi Republican Guard. Human life is human life, but none of this is human life, it's all just videogames.

[themadscientist]

Its a game...

Pansie.

I am a lot of things but a pansie is not one of them, if your measure of a man is how long you sit behind a computer shooting things on a screen than I guess I ain`t much of one. I do find however that I only seem to get called things like that from disembodied text under assumed screen-names, never to my face so you do the figuring scooter.

Damn hipocrits.... You can make jokes on other races, have Saving Private Ryan on DVD, and watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 times, but you have a problem with a video game????

I don`t joke on other races, didn`t buy SPR and have never seen the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and I do have a problem with it. A hippocrit I am not. You don`t know me freind, don`t presume to analyze me

Its not a game of your buddies being killed. Its just a game, based on an event in history.

So was the holocaust, how about a game where you rack up points for gassing Jews? I ain`t Jewish, it`s just a game right, based on an event in history. The rape of Nanking, another good peice of history ripe for a video game. Bad taste is not a commonly accepted position, everyone has their own line that they would not liked crossed, I have mine you have yours.

Maybe you should go see the docs on base... since you seem to be having trouble distinguishing reality from games...

I`m not the guy glued to a game bud. Think about it.

Stop being such a b1tch. If you dont like the game, dont play it. Nuff said.

I don`t like the game and I don`t play nuff said. The only ***** around here with his panties in a bunch though is you. I would suggest an intensive course in growing up combined with turning off your computer, going outside and interacting with fellow humans in their natural habitat. Maybe then you will learn how to conduct a conversation. love an kisses

[w1ngzer0]

this is comming from a moderator. Very unmod like talk here.

[AZhitman]

180, consider this your first and last warning.

Your first entry into this thread (despite some reasonably mature ones thereafter) was WAY out of line. Big time.

TMS makes some excellent points. Unfortunately, capitalism sometimes brings some unwelcome baggage, which means games like these.

I, too, have a hard time seeing moronic suburbanized milk-fed kids getting joy from playing a Somali warlord shooting down Blackhawks. However, their right to do so is precisely what these vets were fighting for. We can only hope it never reaches the extreme Fred mentions - but I'm not optimistic.

Oh, and WZ - Time to start thinking for yourself, you're wearing out someone's coattails.

By the way - I've never asked any of our moderators to refrain from defending themselves when attacked. I'd hazard a guess that 99% of all e-thug chumps would avoid calling TMS a "pansie" or "b1tch" to his face.

And the correct spelling, for those of you who are experts on pansies is PANSY.

[Cyberkreig]

TMS makes superficial points. The basis of his argument is I could beat you up. I have no doubt that many people could beat me up, that doesnt make them right.