Anyone with Racing Seats?

[rynxprs]

Can you still use your factory seatbelts?

If not where did you mount the Racing Harness?

Thanks.

ps....i did try using the Search and did not come up with an answer.

[Exar-Kun]

Never, never, never put a harness in a car that doesn't have a roll cage.

why?I was planning on getting a rollcage for track use anyway....but whats the dis-advantage of running a harness on a non-cage equiped car? lack of anchor points?

-chet

[Exar-Kun]

oh. that makes sense.... I gotta order my rollcage from options anyway, just outa curiosity, would a approved roll bar, or roll cage be better in something I drive to skool and back?

(Im thinking the bar...)-chet

[I H8 UR DSM]

i have a sparco, and just use the stock automatic belt, no lapbelt....

[I H8 UR DSM]

i used that lapbelt once since ive owned the car anyway....

real drifters dont use seatbelts : )hehe

[I H8 UR DSM]

yep, and airbags hurt millions of people each year...but i dont go telling people to pull them out of cars...

and seatbelts cause a lot of injury's in minor accidents....

Im not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, but if you dont have a lapbelt, and just a shoulder belt, id still say useing the shoulder belt will benefit you more than using no belt in an accident....

would you feel better if i just drove around with no belt?

if you say, your a basard : )

[I H8 UR DSM]

statistics can be showed, and swayed in any way to prove any point, if your a guy big into stats, you should know that...

common sense will show you that a head on colission a shoulder belt will help contain you more than having no belt, and limit the amounts or severity on certain injury's....I dont have to 'cite' any #'s, facts, or statistics to make a comment like that....

i think your falling into the trap of believing any statistical information you read, wich can mislead you to believe certain things....yes some statistics can lead you in the direction to make valid conclusions, but just reading stats for what they are can definitly lead to incorrect conclusions....

I dont have the specific #'s to make you happy, but the 'majority' of the time an airbag saves a life in an accident, it causes an injury....Now is it a less severe injury than death....obviously

and i have personally seen all the reports that proved that their was faulty designs in some of the manufacturers airbags, and they were deploying at a height that was incorrect, and in turn contacting the wrong portion of the persons face/head, and causing many neck injuries...

common sense is more important to me that 'stats'....

and if i hit a tree at 20mph, my shoulder belt will help limit my injuries more than if i hit that same tree with no belt on...

Jesse

[skydragoness]

i think the point is, is that wearing the lap belt won't hurt ya--that's the common sense

it's as easy as moving your hand to the right, pulling it out across your stomach and clicking it in on the left

i always make sure that when a passenger gets into my car remembers to put the lap-belt on, because the shoulder belt doesn't feel very substantial in the first place, the lap belt is more snug i think

i don't like the fact that my s13 doesn't have a driver's side bag (for saving ins. costs, it would be nice), but since it doesn't ---i sure as hell remember to put it on the lap belt

when its your time to go, it's your time to go, why add to the risk????

i like you i h8 DSm,buckle up babe!;)

[I H8 UR DSM]

like i said, i dont have a lap belt anymore, since i put my sparco in : ), thats my whole point, lol

ill have a cage maybe later this winter, and harness's, but thanks for the love sky ; ) Ill be careful , i dont even drive my car more than 10 miles a week, lol

[skydragoness]

ha, K-car, your'e a lot like me, i am always trying to set people straight

he's getting a roll cage soon (YOU BETTER!)

he should be ok, i hope

[Exar-Kun]

damn dude, you must have taken the same logic and reasoning course I took in that thing we take after high school where you learn the....stuff....and.....

****. I forgot it all. oh yeah, right its called college! whew...haha no seriously thanks for the feedback K, I'll be buying a full rollcage from options auto salon soon, allong with a set of sparco seats and 4 point harnesses(maybe 5...but owwww...on that middle belt)

-chet

[I H8 UR DSM]

have fun

[I H8 UR DSM]

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[Cyberkreig]

A full rollcage in a street car? I'm not interested in death at all.. or 'carrying the weight of the car on my head' but I cant imagine a 4pt harness is less safe than a shoulder/lap belt. (assuming no roll cage)

What about the law? Doesn't DOT have a problem with ppl cutting out their seatbelts to sub. with Harnesses? I'd think there would be some kind of law...

[Exar-Kun]

well, since most racing standards (SFI?) are well above DOT regulations for "seat restraints" I think that any law would be fine with putting a better, more effective seatbelt unit into your car.....

just my thoughts.-chet

[APEXi240]

Ok, I don't read stats or whatever, but no lap belt with the auto shoulder belt is DANGEROUS. There was a newspaper article in my area about two years back in which someone was DECAPITATED by their shoulder belt because of the type of impact and the fact that they had no lap belt on. Knowing that that is even a possibility made me always put my lap belt on. They also stated how old cars with only lap belts can cause serious injury in rather unserious accidents.

Its extremely stupid to not wear a lap belt, I know people who were hurt in minor accidents where they wouldn't have been if they wore thier stupid lap belt.

Airbags in my opinion are quite dangerous. Just make sure you are always at least 12inches from the wheel. Plus you always have to wear your seatbelt. A friend of a friend was blinded by an airbag in a Civic Si. Needless to say all of his friends disconnected their airbags. Airbags are still contriversial (sp) to some people, I really don't like them, but thats just opinion, not based on any statistics.

[TrueSlide]

I only think that airbags can be bad in some situation, some airbags come out at to low of a speed. I have a friend that wrecked his car, it ended up being worse then it should of been due to the airbag. He ran off the road, hit a sign(it was at a low speed, around 30-35MPH, something where he should of been able to keep the car from hitting anything else.) but the airbag popped out, smacked him in the face and knocked him out. He then hit a tree.

But they DO save lives, but their is always them times where they do die cause of airbags, or the impact was so severe the air bags couldnt help. Same with seatbelts, seatbelts kill people too, but they save a hell of alot more people then they kill. Unlike no seat belt, It kills a hell of a lot more people times 3 then it helps, cause it doesnt help!!!

[TrueSlide]

And to me statics dont mean ****

Stastics are for people who like to try and base the world on numbers, just a bunch of people who found a easy way to make money. I mean if statics say 1 outta 5 people will be murdered, what if you randomly take 5 ppl and none of them get murdered? Stastics have failed

Baah, Iam ****in tired so flame on

I will come up with something more intellgent to say later.

Stastics say your just a number Dont you feel special.

[mojo22]

well K car, i can't cite anything, this is just my opinion formed from (hopefully) common sense and information picked up here and there.

first of all, seatbelts, airbags, and any other saftey devices are designed to be used in a certain way. IMO, a lot of the injuries caused by "safety" devices happen b/c they are being used in an improper manner.

LAP AND SHOULDER BELTS : once seatbelts became mandatory in the late 1960's (1967 i believe), only lap belts were required at that time. at some point with the realization that shoulder belts added a degree of saftey, those became mandatory as well, if a lap belt was not needed, they would not put it in there.

AIR BAGS : air bags were designed for drivers to be in the "proper" driving position. hands at 10 and 2 or 9 and 3, not crossed over the wheel, hanging one over the top, arms through the holes in the wheel (my favorite to see), feet on the wheel, none of that. seating position is to be with drivers arms slightly bent at a comfortable distance. the driver should be sitting upright, or comfortabley close to it. air bags were not designed for infants and small children b/c they are supposed to be in the back seat anyway, seatbelted, either in a booster seat or in car seat designed for safety harnesses. elderly people most often sit too close to the wheel to make up for poor vision or poor posture, and also "statistically" have the weakest bones of those in the population. these factors contribute to the injury rate being higher from airbags.

in the past i have not practiced the best judgement when it came to safetly devices in vehicles and proper driving position, but once i got to drive a true sports car in the manner it was designed for, i learned quick how much driver position made a difference. being a comfortable distance from the wheel, sitting up straight, being able to operate the pedals properly, and being able to see all around the vehicle using mirrors and head motion are very important.

i imagine what really got me saftey conscious was riding motorcycles. you have NO seatbelt, no nothing, many times i've been doing like 130 and realized that there is nothing but inches between me and the road. that is when you don't care how much the helmet costs if it is the best, or how much boots, padded pants, jackets and gloves cost. if you don't believe me, i'll come to your house with my truck and a rope, tie you up, and tell you that i'll give you three options, you can wear shorts and a tshirt, you can wear jeans and thin jacket, or you can have leathers or some type of kevlar and a helmet, b/c i'm gonna be dragging you behind my truck for a while. i think you know what you'd choose. you can ask any of my friends that ride, they started off in shorts and tennis shoes b/c it felt good. all of us that knew said "get jeans at least, leathers are better" they didn't listen till they left a lot of their skin on the concrete, and now they own top of the line gear.

if you can be safe, do it. if you are putting a harness in your car, does that mean you are gonna use it in the same manner you use your existing safety equipment? seems like a waste of money to me.

last thing of a very long post, A SEATBELT SAVED MY MOM'S LIFE.....she hydroplaned several years ago and rolled her big body caddilac, it there was nothing useable off that car once it stopped moving. every panel was crushed, it even messed up the engine. if they cut the roof off they may have been able to get to the seats and use them, anyway, without a seatbelt she would have died, there is no doubt. and there is a chance she could have while wearing a seatbelt. but i would take could have over would have anyday.

well, bye, i'm gonna go call my mom and tell her i love her.

[TrueSlide]

Originally posted by TrueSlide I mean if statics say 1 outta 5 people will be murdered, what if you randomly take 5 ppl and none of them get murdered? Stastics have failedNo, your sample was to small.

Okay, 3 ppl were murdered, statistics have failed

I dont know, I just dont like statistics.

[mojo22]

"The helmet that fits the best protects the best. It has little or nothing to do with cost. You know, federal standards and stuff.

My friend's $150 HJC will protect his head just as well as my $400 Arai will protect my head, as long as they both fit equally well.

Unfortunately, a HJC doesn't fit my head well, so I'm stuck spending $250 more on a helmet that does."

i beg to differ, there are some things that are made better. the better fit, and sound control of something like an arai is indicative of its quality and worth. i had a friend that died last year wearing an HJC, and i won't put one on my head. i only wear shoei and arai b/c it is worth it, they just make a better helmet. if you look at some stuff like sparco and corbeau, would you rather have that, or something like those typeR seats. sparco, b/c they are made better. HJC is not made as well in my opinion, my friend's massive head trauma will tell you that. there is a lawsuit over the deal b/c of the helmet's failure to do its job due to poor construction.

don't forget air control to prevent fogging is a concern in a helmet, which i've worn all types of helmets, and so have my friends, we are in agreement on this issue, and i encourage everyone that can afford it to buy the best helmet they can afford.

[EyeStabPeople]

talk about a thread hi jack

anyway, on the lap belt thing, lap belts are there to keep your butt on the seat, if youre hit head on your *** is gonna slide forward and the shoulder belt is gonna either slice open your neck or break it or even worse

theres nothing stopping your *** from sliding out of the seat in an accident and having that shoulder belt bust your ribs in a side impact, maybe youd be safe in a rear end collision?

[Cyberkreig]

The before mentioned about helmets would be true.. IF DOT still approved helmets.. but they dont. I know from motorcycle exeprience, the law says you must have a DOT helmet, and you must wear it.. However, DOT no longer screens helmets... just a little side knowledge

[mojo22]

OK, NOBODY MOVE, THE HIJACKING IS STILL IN PROGRESS.

K car, you make a good point, and i am not saying you aren't right about the certification, but i just choose to be a stubborn bastard on this subject. it may be b/c "it cost more, it must be better" but i like the arai better. but arai does engineer in fitment pads so that you can make the helmet fit you better. so far as i have seen, HJC does not. and i don't feel like looking to see if they do.

i used sparco seats as an example, but they also make belts and saftey equipment too. all of these things have to pass saftey standards as well. however, i would rather go with the company with a better reputation for quality.

just me being a stubborn bastard.

you are right, but i refuse to subjegate. i think william wallace said " you may prove me wrong, but you will never take my freedom." it was something like that

[Dragon240]

Airbags? I'm a believer.. I broad-sided a small truck at approx. 60 mph in a Camry. Seatbelt (Should and Lap) and airbag I do believe saved my life. And the price I paid was well worth. Some simple chest brusing and a cut or two.. I'd be more than willing to sacrifice that again if I lived through another wreck...

[stutt944]

i believe in any and all restraint. hell, i'd prefer if we could fill the car with foam on impact, Demolition Man-style, but they havent perfected that yet. until then (or once i can afford it rather) i'd like to have side airbags and curtains and rollover protection and whatever else they can pack in there.

i put a compact car under a fullsize truck at 65 mph, and the airbag saved my life.

in this case, no airbag...no life.