Anyone move on and then return to the Q?

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In ten years I think I've had three dozen cars, trucks, and SUVs built in various parts of the world. I developed a real fondness for Cadillacs and owned three Sevilles. I tried a British car, a Lincoln, a Lexus, a wonderful turbo Volvo, German stuff, a few SUVs and trucks, a wacky Chrysler Crossfire, and a silver BMW convertible that tugged at my heart strings (and my wallet for monthly payments) until it was t-boned and totaled years ago.

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Since then I've been enjoying and restoring a classic Saab 900 turbo convertible that has more heart and soul than an Al Green record. After three years and 30,000 miles I've decided that I'm never, ever letting it go (short of a major breakdown or collision), but I do need a practical second car that's comfortable for people to travel long distances in with a beagle.

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I just sold my Dodge Ram so I'm sniffing around at what to buy next. A BMW E34 with a manual sounds very appealing, cheap to maintain, and pleasingly comfy. Another Seville would be great, and I definitely could go for a BMW E46 coupe or sedan. But tonight, for whatever reason, I typed "Infiniti Q45" into Youtube and came across this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BzetXCFTM[/youtube]

The only other car in this class that approaches the Q's level of vault-like build quality and sumptuousness is the 95-00 Lexus LS400, but the Lexus has the disadvantage of being a bit plain. The Mercedes W124 is just as close in terms of fit and finish and paint quality but its chassis isn't quite as rigid. The E34 5-series is cheap and cheerful and very easy to DIY on (assuming manual I-6) and cheap to maintain, but as a luxury car it isn't on the same level.

I have auction access as a car dealer, both improving and complicating my options, making me prone to buying whatever's a good deal rather than finding a keeper to love and maintain.

I went over my maintenance logs for my 1992 Q45 which I bought in early 2003 for $3600 with 168,000 miles. I sold it 30,000 miles and two years later with new chain guides, fuel pump, tires, radiator, injectors, AC compressor and a mess of other AC stuff, spark plugs, MAF, belts, filters, fluids, pulleys, and more. In all, it came to $6000 in parts and labor for 30,000 miles. Not bad considering the high mileage of the car.

My 2001 Seville STS, sold last year, was bought with 110k for $3800 and sold with about 150k for a cost of $5700. That also includes $500+ for minor body work, $100+ for a bent wheel, expensive wheel bearings (a common problem on late-model GM full size cars) and a bunch of tires I went through until I finally found a set that was vibration-free. The Cadillac was also better on gas, good for 16-26 mpg, while the Q got 15-21. Miraculously, GM's electronic road-sensing suspension never gave me any trouble (could be $500-$2000 depending on chosen solution) and I never had any head gasket issues (anywhere from $2000-$3500).

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I went everywhere in this car, roaming the country from coast to coast, driving up and down Gulf coast beaches, wandering through the desert, and zipping through Napa Valley.

http://jesda.com/2012/01/06/part-1-2011 ... s-30-days/

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I remember the Q's 4-speed auto being a bit reluctant during low speed rolling downshifts (say, accelerating from 10-20mph) while the 4T80E Hydramatic in the Cadillac is sublime and solidly dependable. I also remember the Q's seats being a bit firm and nowhere near as plush and comfortable for cross-country traveling as the Seville. Both cars have fairly limited rear leg room. I'd call them about even on styling, and the Q has the obvious handling advantage of rear wheel drive though it lacks a traction and stability system as sophisticated as GM's Stabilitrak, something you don't appreciate until you're in BFE with ice under your tires.



All of these old luxury cars cost plenty of money to keep on the road. The difference is that 10 years later I'm older, making more money, and able to soak up the costs without choosing between food and car parts (I should probably eat less anyway :) ).

Character means a lot to me when it comes to automobiles because I've owned so many and look for uniqueness and a story to set them apart. Last month Car and Driver said of the original Q45, "The Q45's reputation is sterling. In that car was proof that Infiniti could compete with BMW's finest sport sedans."


So, should I go out and buy a nice 94-95 Q45 and relive some of my youth? Will I love it as much as I did a few years ago or am I just being nostalgic?


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Jesda wrote:So, should I go out and buy a nice 94-95 Q45 and relive some of my youth? Will I love it as much as I did a few years ago or am I just being nostalgic?
I owned 3 of them and can't believe I didn't hold onto at least 1 of them.

If I could find one with no rust & <125k on the clock that they didn't want a mint for, I'd probably pick it up. Unfortunately, all the ones I see are super high mile or beat to hell & back. Kind of like the G20's were ~4 years ago.

So, I looked at the 03-04 M45, but the "potential" of oil consumption issues just worry me too much.

I've done the Lexus thing for a few years now (4 or 5 I think) and just don't understand the soullessness comments. I might be b/c I have the 2 door, not 4 door, but it's much closer to the Q than I ever heard people say??

I'm also intrigued by the Crossfire, due to a friends former owning experience, but would really rather have more function, thus the impending CL listing of the SC in the next few weeks. Some kid is going to get a solid running sporty coupe for less money than a beat up Civic.

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Rex wrote:I've done the Lexus thing for a few years now (4 or 5 I think) and just don't understand the soullessness comments. I might be b/c I have the 2 door, not 4 door, but it's much closer to the Q than I ever heard people say??
The SC has an entirely different character from the average Lexus, IMO. I've been behind the wheel of a 2003 LS430 for the past week and took another one around the country for thousands of miles. I find them to be terribly, painfully bland.

The 1.5-gen LS400 was a far superior car with more feedback, nicer seats, better materials, a softer and higher grade of leather, and a superior premium audio system. It also smelled heavenly. The LS430, however, is miserably absent of character, like an accountant (sorry, CPA friends :) ) who listens to Peter Cetera and eats celery for fun.
Rex wrote:I'm also intrigued by the Crossfire, due to a friends former owning experience, but would really rather have more function, thus the impending CL listing of the SC in the next few weeks. Some kid is going to get a solid running sporty coupe for less money than a beat up Civic.
The SRT6 was a hoot to drive but it was a nuisance to keep. Everything went wrong: supercharger, intercooler pump, wipers, power locks, security, hatch mechanism, and more, all at less than 20,000 miles! It had a water intrusion problem that required me to dig into the trunk, remove the foam in the floor, and drain it on occasion, otherwise it sounded like I was driving around with a bucket of water sloshing around in the back.

Still, I'd like to have another one, preferably a naturally aspirated V6 convertible with a manual. I played around with a crimson red one at the auction and adored it. They're slowly getting cheaper and to me, the topless version of Crossfire is drop dead gorgeous.



In the interim, I'm going to sniff around quietly for a Q but don't feel optimistic about finding a gem at a reasonable price. It's a shame they haven't been coveted and cared for like older Lexuses. Even well-aged Cadillacs receive more love from their typically lower-income owners.


Maybe its time for a mid/late-90s Jaguar?

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I'm in the opposite position in some ways... half the time I think I'm burnt out on the Q - but I'd afraid to sell her because I know I'd regret it someday.

At least you know what you're getting yourself into. We'd love to have you back!

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Jesda wrote: Still, I'd like to have another one, preferably a naturally aspirated V6 convertible with a manual. I played around with a crimson red one at the auction and adored it. They're slowly getting cheaper and to me, the topless version of Crossfire is drop dead gorgeous.

In the interim, I'm going to sniff around quietly for a Q but don't feel optimistic about finding a gem at a reasonable price. It's a shame they haven't been coveted and cared for like older Lexuses. Even well-aged Cadillacs receive more love from their typically lower-income owners.

Maybe its time for a mid/late-90s Jaguar?
My friends was a non-SRT manual vert, he loved it and was rather bummed when it was totaled.

I've casually looked for a Q, you'll wanna focus in the south. The rear quarter panel rust is common further north.

I'm actually looking at 2005-7 X-type wagons. They seemed to be well reviewed, even Clarkson liked it. If I'm real lucky ill find one with a stick. Yes, AWD wagon w/ a stick.

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I've been chewing on X-types too. The ones I've seen at the auction have been too beat up for personal enjoyment but I do like them. I'd prefer a 3.0 sedan with a manual, otherwise a 95-97 XJ6 or XJR appeals to me as well.

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The G50 has a lot of shortcomings like you mentioned Jesda, but there's a few (relatively) minor things you can do that TRANSFORM the car to be significantly better vehicle than any of the other ones you mentioned.

Honestly the best thing to do is make sure it's well sorted, otherwise you'll hate the thing. You also need to have one that's in good shape cosmetically, otherwise you'll not enjoy looking at it as much.

There's a '95 up around Lafayette, IN. http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.js ... listType=1

Car looks pretty mint with the exception of the drivers seat. Finding an unmolested black/black low miles Q is really hard to come by these days. I almost got the car, but those guys were EXTREMELY pushy. They've had the car since at least the beginning of December so you could talk them down to 4K or less I think.

Get the car, let me have it for a little while, and I'll make sure it's well sorted for you.

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By the way that guy in the video doesn't really sound like he knows what he's talking about. I bet any amount he likes the LS400 better, which tells me he looks simply at the individual features of a car rather than the entire thing.

In the case of the Q, it's definitely more than the sum of it's parts, IMO.

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elwesso wrote: There's a '95 up around Lafayette, IN. http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.js ... listType=1
WOW.

Have you looked at the car in person?

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No I haven't but other than the worn drivers seat (looks like it got cut like on a sharp pants zipper or button), it looks pretty mint. I might go check it out if I'm in the area any time soon. Lafayette is about 2 hours from me.

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It appears as though you've enjoyed some outstanding cars out there, and I think you know it is now time to come home. A well-kept 94 or 95 Q45 will be almost unmatched once you get the suspension up to standards. Just today I weaved through the traffic on the 405 freeway, easily dancing around in my large luxury/sport sedan. There are six lanes per side, and I think I used 5 of them. (They give you tickets if you use the carpool lane by yourself :gotme ).

Love driving her from LA to Vegas, she just gets in that groove on the open road that is so fantastic it makes me giddy. :rotfl And when on the Vegas strip, the ice-cold G50 air conditioning system blasts icy air in the middle of the desert. My Q blows colder air than my 2009 Murano, and the Q's AC system has never been serviced. The Murano once.

I work in the auto industry and Jesda, it's true what you say of the Lexus LS; it is an extremely well-made car, but when you floor it there is no distinctive sound, boring. The G50 roars proudly and pounds it's chest like King Kong. Always love that growl! :chuckle:

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I had moved away from the Q in 1998 and got a Saab 900 moved back to the Q as soon as I had money :).
Now I am in a current gen Maxima and a Z33 but still often look back..

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Ron you are right... Especially when your Q is like this.

http://youtu.be/xXEuEAVLVT0

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There is something about the Q that is not found in other cars. It is the definitive total package, worth much more than the sum of all its parts. It isn't the fastest, best handling, or most luxurious car. But it is fun, spirited, comfortable, and unique. Not many cars come close. No other car that I have seen comes remotely close for a similar price...about $4 grand to buy plus a grand a year in maintenance.

I was recently debating what to do with my car, as it now requires the dreaded under plenum job with knock sensors...and while I'm there, I'm gonna replace all 8 injectors with a matched set. This will be close to a $2000 investment, in addition to 3-4 days of my labor. I was debating selling the car, rather than doing all this work to it. The debate didn't last long...WTF was I thinking. My under plenum job starts next week. :)

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elwesso wrote:Ron you are right... Especially when your Q is like this.

http://youtu.be/xXEuEAVLVT0
That is the sound I'm talking about. :yesnod

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elwesso wrote:Ron you are right... Especially when your Q is like this.

http://youtu.be/xXEuEAVLVT0
You have no idea how hard that tugs at my heart strings.

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Then go take at look at that black Q in Lafayette and see what you think. DO IT YOU WON'T!

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I really dislike most grey and black interiors, especially Infiniti's. Maybe its the type of dye they use, but Nissan from that era seemed to use coatings that were too shiny.

Ivory pearl quartz with a cream or tan interior would be ideal.


With the increasing rarity of these cars I realize I can't be as picky as I'd like, but a major reason why I sold my 2001 Seville is because the gray interior I thought I could deal with got on my nerves.

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I felt like I was sitting in an office cubicle with wood trim.

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I think switching the trim around the instrument cluster to black (similar to what Jesda did in his 1st Q) would go a long way to helping.

I think mono color dashes (w/ some wood trim) are what become bland.

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I have posted that I just acquired a 91, she is black with gray on gray interior .. I really like the interior, but would love one with a white or red paint...


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