Anyone have a photo of a FWD CA18DE oil pan?

[KaZ (VaBch)]

:help

I've got a few issues with my swap, and I need to move the engine back on the subframe a little... problem is, to move it the distance I need to, the oil pan is going to hit the subframe... =( Does anyone have any photos of a FWD oil pan so I can see if that might work?

Basically, for the vehicle its going in I have the subframe mounted so the suspension geometry is correct...

I took the transmission mount for the car, bolted it to the CA18DET transmission and its almost in exactly the right position... however, the bell is rather close to the transmission hump, and the shifter is back a little bit (it pulls the original shift boot a little) and then the shifter sits a little to the right for the shifter surround (its centered on the hole, but the surround hole is a little to the left). I can shift into 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th, but then I cannot get it into 5th or Reverse with the center console surround installed.

The engine bolts right onto the subframe (obviously, its a S13 CA18DET subframe), but it sits a touch high in the engine bay... if it stays were it is I'll probably have hood clearance issues...

Now, with all of that in mind... engine bolted in, suspension geometry correct, and the transmission in more or less the correct location, I have a 5" gap between the transmission bell housing, and the back of the engine...

So... my thoughts are to move the transmission forward an inch (for shifter clearance, bell housing to transmission hump clearance, and fitment), and then slide the engine back 4"... However, that will require a difference oil pan... as the stock pan is obviously going to hit the subframe... Now at the moment, all accessories would bolt to the engine and everything has clearance... Top Mount Manifold, PTE SC-61 Turbo, 3" Downpipe, A/C, Power Steering, Alternator, etc... but I'll have to go back and look tonight to see if the A/C Compressor lines are going to allow for it to be "moved" back 4". =(

Anyway, I have a few photos for anyone who might be possibly interested in seeing how its currently sitting... Might as well let the cat out of the bag... I don't think I'm going to be able to finish this swap without a little assistance from the forum...

If you have a photo of a FWD CA18DE oil pan, please let me know! Dee, I'm guessing you would be the best candiate for this?

Thanks,

[boost_boy]

FWD CA18DE oil pan won't even fit on that engine (At least not happily). Sumps are different and the baffles inside will give you hell. I've tried it and it doesn't work too well at all. Are you putting this engine in your S12? If so, you may have to make some adjustments to your chasis or just get an S12 transmission (that's if you are doing a CA install into an S12). But if you are doing an S13 swap, I have the slightest clue as to why you're having issues.

Dee

[KaZ (VaBch)]

No, its not going into a S chassis at all...

That's the Gap I'm speaking of...

Another angle of the gap...

Shifter location...

Engine in the bay...

Wider angle...

It should be rather obvious what chassis the CA18DET is going into...

[boost_boy]

Is this a Z31 chasis? Please tell me before I go fishing because I'm curious as hell.

Dee

[boost_boy]

If so, you are sick and I applaud you;) !

Dee

[KaZ (VaBch)]

No actually its a Z32 chassis, which should be even higher on the looney scale...

[pulsar gtr]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn, I was looking through the pictures and all what I see is the Z32 headhight chassis, I am like whatttttttttttttttttt., thats one interesting project, Would love to see it done, The FWD oil pan is similar, but not as deep that goes for the N/A not the Trubo, I have some pics, I will email them to you, when I get home.

Very interesting project.

PULSAR GTR

[NeedCAforS13]

ahh the dash gave it away for me! I'm VERY interested in how this turns out :thumbup

Sean

[r34 gtr]

wow, i think i just shat myself. that is awesome. sorry i dont have any pictures, but you might want to consider a dry sump system if you cant find a good pan. i have got to see more pictures of that car, please post some rediculous number when it is back together. good luck with it!

- tim

[KaZ (VaBch)]

Oh I will don't worry... I went with the project because I was tired of working on the original engine and how cramped it was... to do anything to the engine (turbo, injectors) you had to either pull the motor or at least pull it half apart... Hopefully the CA will be much easier to work with... especially with the top mount manifold.

Anyway, I've got a few customizations I've had to make already with the subframe to fit. The S13 subframe is close... and we all know the S13/S14 uses a number of common suspension components with the Z32, so a lot of things worked relatively easily... main issue is the S13/S14 is obviously narrower... by 2" in places... the lower control arm holes had to be redrilled about an 1" out and up a little on each side to keep the suspension geometry the same... And the subframe had to be spaced down an 1" to keep the suspension geometry correct. I've got some 1" box steal spacers in there with longer bolts holding the subframe to the car (stock bolts on the Z are like 7 & 1/4" long, the new ones are 8", they're huge!).

Anyway, I'll have it well documented. I was trying to get it all in the car for "storage" reasons. I've got other things I need to finish up to make some more funding for the project... so I was trying to get the engine in the car to free up garage space... didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped... £0£.

[r34 gtr]

if everything went as smoothly as i hoped, i wouldnt be in debt and mycar would be somewhat fast. my dad has to work every day for the next few weeks, then he is going to new mexico on buisness for a month so i dont have a good opportunity to get it all going yet. its a real shame, i really wanted the car to be running for my graduation. i had this big plan to go and do some crazy donuts in the school parking lot as soon as i had gotten my diploma. guess i cant. poop.

- tim

[pulsar gtr]

what kind of hp are you looking to get out the that CA, knowing that the z32 weights around 1850KG, pretty dam heavy.

I would love to put an RB26DETT in my z32, may be one day

Good luck man, thumbs up on such a poject.

PULSAR GTR

[KaZ (VaBch)]

500rwhp is my target...

[f s t caz]

I would love to put an RB26DETT in my z32, may be one day

this would be the result

its so long, and there's such a slant in the body line that the front of the RB exists where the hood should.

althoughwish the engine bay picture was bigger.

[Dystopia]

that is sweet.

although below is my fovorite extreme motor swap:

turbo chevy 350 small block





although he needs new wheels and a better wing

[f s t caz]

heh

just too bad there was such a bad choice in a rear spoiler

[f s t caz]

it's always nice when you keep it in the family though

[KaZ (VaBch)]

woof... that thing is huge... what is that? 4.3L V8?

[float_6969]

I think it's a VH45DE. As for help, I'd say you'll prob have to have a custom oil pan made and convert to a dry sump. Good luck!

[biosehnsucht]

dude float, read the damn pic "Small Block Chevy V8" in their little 1000HP poster lol

[f s t caz]

its a VH41DE - came in Cima's. 270bhp @5600rpm and 277ft-lbs@4000rpm. stock...

[biosehnsucht]

whoa I'm stupid. when I saw the thread last night the pics didn't load for some reason so I thought ya'll still talking about the car above the one f s t posted .. I'm stupid.

[float_6969]

Yes, you are stupid....Hehehe

[undertaker]

KaZ that is incredible. i always thought an R32 with a CA18DET would be cool in sick kind of way but you have taken it to the next level top effort is there a longer box you can adapt to get around your problem?

and that VH41 looks cool, looks like it was made for it!

[KaZ (VaBch)]

is there a longer box you can adapt to get around your problem?

Longer box?? Are you talking about the transmission, or something else?

[undertaker]

yeah transmission/gearbox. just a thought i had:rolleyes

[quest]

I didn't like working on my z32tt either. As I 'chose' this as my hobby, I better enjoy wrenching on my projects. One of my favorite street beasts was a vg30dett powered s13. Goes like hell, quiet and smooth too. No room on sides of motor to work on, just like a z32, but lots in front.If I had kept my z32 I'd go vg30ET, probably built of a 3.3L pathfinder platform. Smooth, torquey and nasty as u want it to be. I would have built a manifold to place the turbo out front like a buick GN. Those motors r inexpensive and overlooked.... lost in all the jdm hype.

Strange combo u have there. I'm thinkin that poor little motor will be overwelmed by the weight. Z32 is a pig. With that turbo u may not see 250 ft-lbs before 5000 rpm... driving that should be interesting. Street car? I commend you for your effort tho.

You couldn't just slice (or drill spot welds) the s13 motor brackets off the xmember and transfer then to the z32 xmem ?Modifying existing oil pan/pickup another option ?

[KaZ (VaBch)]

You couldn't just slice (or drill spot welds) the s13 motor brackets off the xmember and transfer then to the z32 xmem ?Modifying existing oil pan/pickup another option ?

I could yes... but, if you ever get the chance to compare a Z32 & S13 cross member... you'll notice a few things...

#1, the front bolt holes are located in the spot in reference to the lower control arm position Forward & Backward wise in the chassis, but the holes are about an inch narrower on the S13 subframe obviously.

#2, the Engine mounts are actually in the exact same spot, Forward & Backward wise in the chassis, though the Z32 mount holes sit about 3+" wider than the S13 holes.

#3, the power steering rack is in more or less than same position, but on the Z32 subframe it physically sits higher to the construction of the mounts. When I tried to put the CA on the stock Z32 subframe, with the mounts spaced appropriately (I was doing it just for temporary storage, the mounts would never have held up to use being spaced like that) it bottomed the oil pan on the power steering rack. I could get 1 mount into the slot, but the other would barely get the tip of the threads into the hole... wasn't going to work.

So... that's why I chose to go with the S13 subframe, over the Z32 subframe for now... I might actually try and modify the Z32 subframe to fit the S13 mounts, but I think I'd rather go get a spare S13 & Z32 subframe and play with those before playing with the two I have...