Any japs in teh hizzouse?

[wirelessalpha]

so I googled for vert clubs and was redirected here...can anyone decipher?

I'm looking for some more pics like in that previous post about a jdm vert club...

http://www.kazunao.com/

[Eikon]

Why don't you go to general chat and politely ask if anyone can translate japanese for you.

I can promise you however that if you ask the question in the fashion that you asked here, you will get flamed pretty hard.

I'm guessing Japanese people don't like being called japs. Even if they do, they won't respect your "hizzouse".

Anyhow... I found only 1 convertible on that site. http://www.kazunao.com/men/img/66-1.jpg

If you are looking for some sweet S15 silvia's.... that site is loaded with them.

Nice find anyhow!

later.

[wirelessalpha]

nice, i gave up after like the 15th guessed link. I swore I was gonna try again today but then brushed it away...

I'll post this same question in the general chat too (with ahem, PC annotations).

wait, japs isn't derogatory? It's just like calling a filipino a flip, or pinoy. At least, that's how it is around the North East...(ny/nj) and besides...I guess it might make a difference depending upon who says it. Being asian myself, its a "oriental thang!"

[LayNLow240]

nice, i gave up after like the 15th guessed link. I swore I was gonna try again today but then brushed it away...

I'll post this same question in the general chat too (with ahem, PC annotations).

wait, japs isn't derogatory? It's just like calling a filipino a flip, or pinoy. At least, that's how it is around the North East...(ny/nj) and besides...I guess it might make a difference depending upon who says it. Being asian myself, its a "oriental thang!"

if i were at home on my computer i would give you a link that will translate japanese to english, or the other way around.but im not at home. sorry.

[TrunkMonkey]

wait, japs isn't derogatory? It's just like calling a filipino a flip, or pinoy. At least, that's how it is around the North East...(ny/nj) and besides...I guess it might make a difference depending upon who says it. Being asian myself, its a "oriental thang!"

what isn't derogatory in one corner of the planet may get your *** handed to you in another.

and since NICO is located on the "WORLD WIDE web" it'd be nice if you would refrain from using certain slang, even if it is an "oriental thang!"

-demetrius

[wirelessalpha]

First off, Why are you replying to a post from Dec? Why are you trying to flame me? This is supposed to be a forum on the 240sx (since you are so fond of reminding me that this is on www, I figured i return the favor) which yields relevant information to the 240sx enthusiast. What kind of moderator tries to attack a fellow member publicly? Did you NOT think that perhaps a sublte, private message would have been the better way to go? Man, I'm so sorry you had to keep this in so long...please vent my friend...

and while you vent..my response:

I hardly believe that calling a JAP a JAP, when it comes from another ORIENTAL...would do any harm. JAP is not a derogatory term, anymore than "oriental" is. (its a mistake to believe that the term is offensive toward us asians...thats a dumb defense asians take and they always use that lame "carpet" argument). More importantly, it depends upon the context of which it is said, period.

As you can probably read from my post, it's not like I asked to rid the world of my brothers that originate from east of the Sea of Japan. Jesus...all I asked was for a simple translation. See? I got an answer...and then bothered in the right place (general area). Hence, what a good forum member does.

Also, the fact that I AM ORIENTAL deems it harmless. The offence level might be higher if my aformentioned comment was spoken by a person other than an ORIENTAL...but that is not the case is it...hence, why you would make such comments...I don't understand. Maybe I need to resize my avatar...

"what isn't derogatory in one corner of the planet may get your *** handed to you in another."

I agree - although your statement would have been more meaningful if your were actually right this time. Oh and btw, if you feel like it, please do come by and show me anytime how exactly an *** is handed. Come by anytime

Chi Park50 Cragwood RdSouth Plainfield NJ 07080

Oh, and thanks again for the reminder on the http://WWW...who would have thought I could forget something like that...

[Sil40_Mayhem]

^ Chill out dude. First of all, since you're so well versed in the ways of the web, look up the terms jap +"ethnic slur" and see what you get. Whether or not you mean any harm is irrelevant to the fact that the word, itself, is offensive and has been for the longest time. Hell, I had no idea that the term "flip" in reference to Filipinos was derogatory until I joined the service. Since then, I have been mindful enough (read: respectful) to not use it in such a manner.

And the whole "it's okay because I'm oriental, too" thing is a lame excuse. That would be like me making all kinds of slurs about Africans because my skin is dark like theirs. 1) What's offensive is offensive, so it doesn't matter. 2) Even though I share ethnic similarities with Africans, I'm not African, so I can't claim to be the end-all be-all on their culture. Just like it would be wrong for a Puerto Rican to use slurs aimed at Mexicans because their "both Hispanic". It doesn't imply that the culture is the same, and what affects one affects the other the same. I take it that you're not Japanese and, therefor, not even close to being a representative of the Japanese people? Do you see what I'm getting at? I'm certain that a Japanese member of this site would take offense to seeing that (whether or not it comes from a 'fellow Asian').

And by the way, even your use of 'Oriental' is out of place here, and has gone the way of the use of 'Colored' in reference to Black people. Once widely accepted, but not anymore. Rugs are Oriental. Furniture is Oriental. People are Asian.

I know, by now I'm on your bad side, and I'm just being petty and a hater. I'm attacking you pointlessly, with the only motivation being self-glorification, right? Instead of sending you a PM (which isn't enabled on this site, by the way) and posting it in public, I suppose I'm trying to publicly ridicule you or pWnZ0rz you? I couldn't possibly be trying to correct something I deem as being potentially offensive behavior, in the better interest of our vastly diverse member base. Nor am I placing it in a public post because there may be others who don't see the harm in making statements like that. Wow, I really made this all about you and how you suck and how I am superior. I don't have even the slightest interest in making NICO a better place for all. For that, I'm sorry. Perhaps, it would make you feel better if I asked if there were any 'Chinks' around who could translate something for me. But it's okay, though. One of my ancestors was from Thailand.

[wirelessalpha]

1. I respect your ending sarcasm. I actually thought it was pretty damn funny! (and no, I don't mean laughing AT YOU) One thing I do LOVE is people who can dish as well as take...thats balls. So keep that in mind as I respond. I RESPECT THAT.

My Response:

1) All orientals are asians. Not all asians are oriental. I explained the whole "oriental rug" thing before. Although the politically correct way to refer to my oriental people might be "asian", thats not a common practice...yet.

Think of it this way, when someones says to you (now answer honestly) "Hey, two asian guys ran away with that ladies purse!" do you immediately think..."hmmm...it was those indians!" No dude, that's not the way it is. It's more like "hmm...it was those orientals!".

Or, when you are filling out a questionnaire, when was the last time you saw the option for "Asian/Pacific Islander". Now let me ask you something, if you imagine what a Pacific Islander ethnically looks like...does h/she more closely resemble a Indian (native of India) or a Oriental?

My close turkish buddies always loves to remind me that they are "Asian" all the while poking fun at me and telling me that they are my brethren. Now I will admit that since half of turkey lies on the asian continent, a good deal of the people from that area have "oriental" traits. However, these fools (my buds) don't. Again, you can argue that they are "asian" and that is a valid argument from a technical point of view, but in practice...

2) Out of all oriental races, Japanese and koreans are very similar to one another. We have a history of being at odds and this "culteral" mixing has gone to the point of even no return. It's common for a Japanese person to have a Korean ancestor and vice versa. This has alot to do with the fact that

a) We were once conquered by Japanb) We are close in proximity to each other

Historically, we are alot closer in culteral bond, than say...a thai person compared to a korean. Or a Indonesian compared to a japanese person...

Put it this way...saying a korean is like a japanese person...is like saying an Irish man is is like a Scott.... See, we do have different culteral values here and there...but for the most part...we are very similar (war does that...sad but true).

3) I never claimed to be the END all or BE ALL. In fact, people that know me best might even say I'm the exact opposite (other than the fact I enjoy anime...ddr....imports...hmmmm ****...maybe I am not so different!).

Anyways...the fact is, it IS different when another oriental refers to another oriental in the manner I did (hey jap). It's the same equivelant as a male of african heritage (I tried my best to think of the right term..if that offends anybody, I apologize) refers to another male (of african heritage) as a (insert N word here). many will argue that it is acceptable, or not acceptable...and those that argue that it is acceptable will also agree that only if done by a person of the same race...

So, in this day and age of the http://WWW...where freedom of speech is available...then why should I change the way I am? The way I speak? I am supposed to back off b/c it MIGHT offend someone? I'd rather argue about issues that will DEF offend someone...like if a member starting ranting about how HONDAS are superior to NISSANS, then that is something I would defend (it would be pointless...but nonetheless applicable to this forum).

Sorry dude, but I'm just a bit too old to be worrying about what people think about me.

PS: j00 got pwnd!1

[wirelessalpha]

oh and one more thing...my initial response was "why is this being responded to?" This was a post from December...any member that takes the time to find a post from 4 months ago and then takes the time to make a threating reply seemed like a pointless flame to me. hence, which is why I retaliated in the manner that I did. You can't blame a guy for that...

[Eikon]

hey wireless...

Thank You for not letting this get out of hand. Most people would have fired back with hate and threats... You defended yourself with reason and even a little sense of humor. I think that's pretty cool.. I was expecting this to be the very first thread in the 'vert forum to get locked. But it looks like your cooler head has prevailed.

regarding the topic of slang terms to address other cultures.

I don't think anyone would accuse you of being racist. I agree that for one person of a certain ethnicity to call another person of same ethnicity by a slang term is not a problem. BUT... that is in a private conversation.

I do think it's inappropriate for such slang terms to be used in a public conversation. Reason is that you never know who will read it, and who might be offended by it. Even though you may not feel responsible to defend your free speech, perhaps it would be best and easiest to simply choose more publically acceptable terms.

As a user and contributor on NICO, I hope you agree that this is an awesome website. The more people and knowledge we have here the better. Well, to attract those people, I think it's important that we all conduct ourselves in a reasonable manner. That's one of the duties of a Moderator. That is why TrunkMonkey responded in the fashion he did.

BTW... I still click on that website you found... it's pretty cool to see what the Japanese tuners are doing to their cars. There are some beautiful silvia's on that site.

[wirelessalpha]

Eikon - well said. That's it then - this IS a public forum, so with that in mind - I humbly acknowledge the truth of the matter.

Now...back to it then, chaps!

Unconsciously: whew...for a moment there...I was thinking..."damn, my luck, I am gonna get jumped at a NICO meet by fellow asians." Hey You! Wireless! die scum! You don't deserve to play DDR! I'm gonna stamp my Initials "D" up your arse!...you fake sucka!"

- ChiDog out...