Another XTD Clutch Thread..

[ace0073]

Now that you have opened this thread you probably fit somewhere in four categories: You absolutely HATE XTD and want to spill your guts out about it, you have an XTD clutch and it workes like god sent it down from the heavens, you are like me and you need a new clutch and can stop wondering if you can get performance while saving a little $$$$$ or you were bored and looking for a place to express your sarcasm and humor. That being said, I have SEARCHED and READ all of the 8 current threads that pop up when a seach is done for XTD clutch. From that information, I still have questions. First off, has anyone used the stage 4, unsprung hub setup seen here:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

If so, what are your impressions? I am going between this one and the ACT-NX1-XTG6 that can be seen here (second to last kit on page):http://www.optionsauto.com/pro...rt_by=

If its not obvious, I am asking this question because there is a considerable price difference. What I am looking for are informative and useful comments from prior/current XTD users. Any information that you feel relevant to a clutch user would be appreciated. Take it from the standpoint that you are an independent clutch salesman of all brands; how would you describe this unit to your potential buyers...the pro's and con's?? Any and all comments (even the useless ones) will be appreciated.

[gaehrings13]

Well I have a XTD Stage 3 clutch right now. I broke it in and then gave it a try and it started slipping. I was ready to change just not right away and now it is holding pretty damn good. I just was easy with it for a little while more. I think it just needed a little more breaking in.

I was very upset when I felt it slipping in 4th and 5th. I just finish stepping on it this morning and went 3rd 4th and 5th and it held perfectly. I then did it a few more times so I guess maybe now its broken in.

Lets see how long it will last!

[S13FX]

Although I didn't have one on my 240, I had one on my boosted CRX.

And let me tell you like gaehrings13 said, it usually needs a lil more breaking in time that any other clutch I ever had. But after that that thing rocked my sox off.

I think with clutches like this though it all really does depend on how well you do the installation, and how good your flywheel is. I think with propel install break in, and flywheel setup, this could be a reliable clutch as any.

I go with Spec on all my cars now but, if I ever needed a quick buck clutch XTD would probably what id get.

[Florida240sx]

Got to break them in longer. Installed 6 of them in the past few months... 3'240sx 300zx 350z 3000gt

[ace0073]

also in terms of engagement, is it a bad thing to go with the unsprung disc like the XTD one? With the ACT that I am considering the disc is sprung and the literature says it will hold up to 400+ft-lbs of torque while the XTD says something like 350+ft-lbs with the unsprung disc. I actually ordered the ACT already but it is on backorder for 1-3 weeks so I am exploring other options since I can cancel the order....patience is a virtue that I am lacking.

[Tulsa_S-13]

I installed an XTD "stage 2" clutch in my KA after I did my 5 speed conversion along with a Fidanza flywheel. Held up great for the 10k miles I put on it before I pulled the KA.

My only complaint was that the pedal feel was really really light, but besides that I never had a problem with it slipping.

[Edub1]

I've heard the XTDs can be hit or miss. I look at it like this; how much are you actually saving, $200? What value do you place on having to drop your trans and replace a clutch? I don't know about you but for me a savings of $200 is not worth the risk of having to spend the time to replace another clutch plus being out the $150 or so you pay for the XTD.

So,

Option 1 - spend $350 and get an ACT and be done.Option 2 - risk your $150 plus a second install.

Unless I had 10 guys saying they have 70K on the XTD and it's awsome, I wouldn't risk it.

[eazye2000]

I did a write up with some information on the topic at hand. With XTD and the F1 versions. I eventually went with the ACT Xtreme Pressure Plate, and a Sprung Carbon Metalic disc.

zerothread?id=225573

[gaehrings13]

Well I got the flywheel resurfaced, all new bearings with the kit. I also lightly coated the moving parts with that lithium grease (i think thats what its called). Also new slave and master clutch cylinders, with a agency power clutch line. With that clutch line I bleed the clutch so fast it only took a few times.

I also just finished converting my car to manual.

[Florida240sx]

rps turbo clutch 400ft lb. switched it on 4 enignes now. holds great.

[eazye2000]

rps turbo clutch 400ft lb. switched it on 4 enignes now. holds great.

Ya, I've heard ALOT of good things about the RPS stuff. I haven't seen a sponsor on Nico stock them yet. I would have probably went with them or SPEC if I wasn't bored and wanted to try so many different things.

[ace0073]

Thanks for all the inputs. i actually think im gonna try the RPS now. Im off to order......

[ace0073]

On the subject of breaking in a clutch, I have a question. Why is the break-in necessary? Lets just say (for sake of argument) that I have a non-street diven 1/4 mi. track car and I install a new clutch. Do I have to make 2000 passes before I can really get on it? Or do I need to do 4000 1/8mi passes? Question being, shouldnt a clutch be ready to go immediately?

[zero_gripS13]

from my understanding organic clutches need broke in not ceramic..

organic can glaz causing the material to be ruined and not grip properly with a metalic and ceramic iver heard u can dump the clutch a few times and it will bed it in ..

i tried f1.. and gave it 250 miles of easy driving then smashed on it and it held great.. daily drove it for a couple months and around 5k. i went drifting and killed it then and there.. put a used stock clutch in and drov eon it and killed it drifting then drove it a couple days and it grabbed good and was good all summer... stock > F1 in my opinion...

now i rock illegal garage. very similiar to rps i hear..

its a dual diahram pressure plate with a copper(flywheel side)/kevlar(pp side) disk... and ill never use anyhitng else. best 385$ ever...

i hit 465 miles driving to the drift event and have had 3 since then.. theres like 3k or so on the clutch and it hasnt let me down yet. 3rd gear clutch kicks and all.. grabs hard never slipping.. no real chatter unlinke the f1 6 puck... and let me tell u what... goto the gym put the leg machine on 90lbs and push it with ur left foot.. congradulation u just pushed in my clutch.. its already killed my new slave cyl .. i love it no more whimpy weaksauce stock or less feeling clutch...

cliffnotes..

f1 racing clutch died after 5k miles .. f1 racing clutch chattered like crazyf1 racing clutch has no peddle. i thought there was somehting wrong.

illegal garage clutch. hardcore pimpage... buy it ull love it.illegal garage clutch doesnt require break in. i did just for peace of mind.illegal garage clutch will be installed on my next motor, cuz itll alst that long.

oh and like i said the owner of illegal garage stating his clutches need no break in..

his words were somehting on the lines of

"my breakin consist of a left drift, followed by a right drift, followed by a sweeping left drift, finished with some dougnuts "

[email protected] .. contact him u wont be dissapointed. (if emails bad let me know i using memory lol as im lazy)

sorry for long post hope i helps

[Florida240sx]

Contact Marty at injected performance. Our sponsor who I got it from. At the time no throwout or pilot bushing was with it. Got it from nissan dealership for $35

[eazye2000]

Yeah, that's right. Marty can get them. He just didn't have any in stock that he could overnight to me on Friday and get Saturday..

I told you I was impatient!

[ace0073]

i wish i checked this forum again, first but when i said i was off to order....i was. i ended up going with this one:

http://www.jazzproparts.com/Pr...47-SP

Paid $395 as shown...hope that was a great deal. i dont think i will even check with injected performance because i dont want to end up with a stomach ache.

also, thanks zero_grips13, i would have gone with your reccomendation also but I had already ordered. that one was $30 cheaper too. hopefully i will be happy with what i ordered????...hopefully!
Modified by ace0073 at 6:05 AM 5/18/2007

[Brandon93240]

RPS ftmfw. I've had mine for atleast 45k and it holds up great day in day out. Would you put autozone brake pads on ur ride and then go cross it? I would never expect a 120-150$ clutch to hold up any better than a stock replacement. Sure some people have gotten it to work out ok, but I'm a do it once do it right kind of guy.

[zero_gripS13]

you cant go wrong with rps .. youl be happy with it..

ket us know

[Edub1]

How does the RPS stack up against ACT?

[eazye2000]

I would say RPS is more of a 'race' clutch. Has strong pedal feedback.

The ACT is more like a souped up street clutch. It also has a lighter pedal feel. I have the ACT Extreme Pressure plate good for 426ft lbs of torque and it feels like it shouldn't hold more than about 300ft lbs as far as clutch pedal 'feel' goes. I like it, but I think I would want something with more of a stronger feel to the pedal to make me feel a little more confident in it.

But I honestly don't see anything wrong with the XTD's. Anything with a 6-puck is gonna grab harder and cause less friction and heat. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

My $.02 again..

[nelson8708]

for the price of the stage 3 you could get the white bunny special combo. A buddie is running the stage 3 and it slipped first but now grabs hard. I did the white bunny special combo for 160$(clutch and new flywheel). It is holding great even with the ka-t. It has a stock or slightly stiffer pedal feel. I have only heard good things about the truck clutch. Orginally i was going to use the xtd stage 3 until i found out about the white bunny. They are about the same price so it is up to preference.

[ace0073]

ok, zero_gripS13 I just learned that the clutch will be on back-order for 2 months so I decided to email illegal garage. The email address you gave is invalid. If you can please send me the correct address. thanks. also, any other clutch recommendations will be appreciated. The ACT is also on backorder. looking to hold 400+ ft-lbs. torque. nearly daily driven on street.

[S13FX]

Have you looked at spec, They have what your looking for, for about $489.

And I know they have them ready to ship as soon as you call ...

[ace0073]

Thanks to all for the inputs. After my fiasco with backordered clutches, I ended up going with Enjuku Racing (a NICO sponsor). I got the Stage 3+ SPEC. This thing is rated to 485ft/lbs. from what I'm told. To make it even better, since I wanted the clutch by this weekend, they (Teddy) upgraded my shipping to 2-day for FREE. The guys at Enjuku are top notch in my book.

[Brandon93240]

Yep Enjuku rocks. I've been using them since they opened. I haven't bought 1000 of dollars worth of equipment from them but what I have bought got me great service and quick shipping, and I've never gotten the run around from them, plus their pricing is fair for a speed shop.

[zero_gripS13]

ok, zero_gripS13 I just learned that the clutch will be on back-order for 2 months so I decided to email illegal garage. The email address you gave is invalid. If you can please send me the correct address. thanks. also, any other clutch recommendations will be appreciated. The ACT is also on backorder. looking to hold 400+ ft-lbs. torque. nearly daily driven on street.

hey man im sorry i didnt see this sooner... i wish i would have.. spec are good clutchs a buddy of mine is sponsored by them.. i think youll be happy.. i think u would of been happier with the illegal garage clutch but that just me as spec's peddle is meh... lol

just incase its not to late..

email: [email protected]

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