Another street race turns tragic.

[rn79870]

When will the message be heard? 7 dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/....html

[SVTCOBRA]

just saw that on the news....very sad...

[RED_DET]

what gets me was a 61 yr old man was one of the spectators @ 3 in the morning?

[Kendahl]

Street racing is obviously a bad idea. Better to take it to a drag strip or road course where bystanders are not put at risk.

That said, it appears that, here, the racing merely attracted the crowd and the car that hit them was not involved in the race. If they had gathered to watch a couple of dogs humping, I doubt that the headline would have read, "Canine sex kills 7 in crowd."

[rn79870]

... If they had gathered to watch a couple of dogs humping, I doubt that the headline would have read, "Canine sex kills 7 in crowd."

I only hope the judicial system makes an example of the moron(s) who caused that carnage. It won't help the 7 who died, but it may get the message to the next idiot who thinks a 4000 pound car isn't a dangerous weapon.

[telcoman]

When will the message be heard? 7 dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/....html

Another crapo Ford off the road

Probably defective with a defective driver?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...pnews

When will they ever learn

Telcoman

[!979TransAm]

I dunno if i would chalk this one up to the fault of street raceing. Sounds like some idiot driving with his lights off and just some horrible coincidence there was a crowd present. still sucks either way.

I'm not endorsing street raceing though dont get it twisted

[gwoods]

what gets me was a 61 yr old man was one of the spectators @ 3 in the morning?

Goes back to what I said about street racing not being an old or young thing.

Some people love racing....

Still sad....

[telcoman]

Goes back to what I said about street racing not being an old or young thing.

Some people love racing....

Still sad....

Nothing wrong with racing. It just needs to be done at the track under proper supervision. Wasn't that the purpose of the NHRA?Unfortunately the crapo Ford was an innocent driver blinded by the smoke of the tires. The stupidity of spectators standing in the middle of a public highway enveloped in a cloud of smoke at 3 in the morning is unbelievable. were they thinking?

Telcoman

[rn79870]

Nothing wrong with racing. It just needs to be done at the track under proper supervision. Wasn't that the purpose of the NHRA?Unfortunately the crapo Ford was an innocent driver blinded by the smoke of the tires. The stupidity of spectators standing in the middle of a public highway enveloped in a cloud of smoke at 3 in the morning is unbelievable. were they thinking?

Telcoman

The point of this, which is being missed by far too many people (not you telcoman) is that racking on public highways can be deadly, not just for the cars involved, but for everyone. There are far too many unexpected yet reasonably foreseeable possibilities for a tragic ending. This is only one.

In San Diego, being a spectator to these events illegal. And this law has been upheld by the appelate court.

http://www.sandiego.gov/cityco...d.pdf

And telcoman, this crapo Ford think...makes one think you might be a closet Ford lover...

[telcoman]

The point of this, which is being missed by far too many people (not you telcoman) is that racking on public highways can be deadly, not just for the cars involved, but for everyone. There are far too many unexpected yet reasonably foreseeable possibilities for a tragic ending. This is only one.

In San Diego, being a spectator to these events illegal. And this law has been upheld by the appelate court.

http://www.sandiego.gov/cityco...d.pdf

And telcoman, this crapo Ford think...makes one think you might be a closet Ford lover...

I have previously written about my very first car. A 1958 Ford with a 352 Police Intercepter engine. The biggest piece of $hit I ever owned. My first and last Ford.

Telcoman

[Cali 2 Balti G]

I'm amazed that some of you think that this is the Drivers fault. I'm not sure if hte informatin released so far has indicated that the driver's headlights were off.

Here's what we do know. The driver was travelling on the public road as he has a right and priveledge to. The racers and spectators gathered on a public road - effectively shutting it down - without any right, priveiledge or authority to do so. In addition the racers burnouts decreased visibility in the immediate area. This is a public safety issue -

I imagine the driver wont be charged (unless he comes up positive for alcohol or drugs) in the accident. Whoever can be identified as a racer that night will likely be held liable.

Some of the spectator victims may even sue the racers, or even the local police for not doing more to prevent said spectator from becoming a spectator.
Modified by Cali 2 Balti G at 10:00 AM 2/17/2008

[rn79870]

I'm amazed that some of you think that this is the Drivers fault. I'm not sure if the information released so far has indicated that the driver's headlights were off.

Cali...I look at the pictures of your G and I see an immaculate car with no dents/dings on it. This tells me that you drive reasonably for the conditions. Look at the conditions as they were for that night.

Let's assume the driver of the crap Ford was not involved in the incident. 1. A prudent driver would drive slower at night in a desolate area. Maybe not expecting people to be there, but animals, etc. can be on the road.2. A prudent driver would use their headlights. According to some witnesses, the headlights were off.3. A prudent driver would slow down when approaching smoke, or any area of reduced visibility, that is, if they weren't going too fast for the conditions.

If I were on a jury, and asked to judge the actions of the crap Ford driver, and the above items were proven, I'd hang that driver to the extent possible.

Of course, a prudent person would not be out at 3AM watching a couple of jerks race, let alone standing near the road doing watching.

If they catch the two cars who were racing, I'll bet those drivers never see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I know that most of us value our cars too much to jeopardize them or other people. So none of this is intended to reflect on any G drivers here.

[gwoods]

Nothing wrong with racing. It just needs to be done at the track under proper supervision. Wasn't that the purpose of the NHRA?Unfortunately the crapo Ford was an innocent driver blinded by the smoke of the tires. The stupidity of spectators standing in the middle of a public highway enveloped in a cloud of smoke at 3 in the morning is unbelievable. were they thinking?

Telcoman

I agree with you 100% racing is a track event... but my point is a lot of our members post street racing stories and get jumped on by the rest of us. Someone always says that its because they are young.

Street racing isn't a young or old thing. I LOVE to race.... it is very difficult to not race a car at a stop light that challenges me. I'm 29 and don't see myself not racing in the future.

I helped my mom buy a new 07 V6 Camry in January. My wife and I were next to her and her boy freind at a light. I jokingly reved my G's motor... when the light turned green mom was gone with tire squeal She let up at probably 60 mph when she realized I wasn't racing her. Do you think my mom street races?

The NHRA was founded because so many people were dying street racing. Phoenix is blessed with 2 1/4 mile tracks and at least 4 circle tracks that are open to the public. There is no reason to street race.

[rn79870]

Jeff, with a Dad who loved fast Mustangs, and a Mom who smokes her tires at the stop lights, it is apparent you have inherited the racing gene. I'm not sure there is a cure. Ask your wife.

I applaud your efforts in keeping it at the track. You're setting an excellent example for everyone who wants to race.

[1988NissanPathfinder]

Im a 17 year old kid (Yeah I know dont start) But me and my friends go and race out in the country, Ive lived in this area all my life and I know where to go for empty streets and we always scope them out before we race. The tires they run dont smoke beleive me weve tried lol. Im only endorsing street racing in SAFE condidtions. I know some of you will argue no conditions are safe but I concur there are some safe places to race that arnt on a track, Ive been racing myself for 2 years now and have only had one close call and that was because I drifted off onto the shoulder.

So those of you saying all street racing is bad, take a look at your past. How many of you have raced from stop light to stop light, or just go sick of being next to someone on the highway and stood on the gas to get away technically that is racing according to Minnesota State Department Of Transporation.

So next time you say racing is bad think about your actions!

[gwoods]

Oh and don't get me started on my uncles....

On has a WRX... I have video of a ride through his neighborhood in the middle of the night...

The other has a dune buggy with Porsche 911 drivetrain.. cause he wrecked the 911.

One of them wrecked a COPO 69 Corvette with the aluminum 427. One of them wrecked Grandpa's 1956 Vette with a custom 327 & 4spd.

They have pictures of all the late 60's early 70' Mopar muscle cars they owned and wrecked...

[rn79870]

Im a 17 year old kid (Yeah I know dont start) But me and my friends go and race out in the country, Ive lived in this area all my life and I know where to go for empty streets and we always scope them out before we race....Im only endorsing street racing in SAFE condidtions. I know some of you will argue no conditions are safe but I concur there are some safe places to race that arnt on a track...Ive been racing myself for 2 years now and have only had one close call and that was because I drifted off onto the shoulder.

I think with "1 close call" you've answered your own question. If not, let me add that street racing does not provide the necessary control you need to be safe. Two way traffic, animals, lack safety equipment, all are examples why street racing is dangerous. Let me further add that at 17, you lack the judgment, and apparently the maturity, necessary to make these kind of calls.

So those of you saying all street racing is bad, take a look at your past. How many of you have raced from stop light to stop light, or just go sick of being next to someone on the highway and stood on the gas to get away technically that is racing according to Minnesota State Department Of Transporation.

You're seriously arguing that street racing, whether it is stop light to stop light, or 1/4 mile is not bad? Why? Because someone may have previously gotten away with it? You apparently believe that you can justify your argument based on unfounded assumptions. That technique fails as does your logic.

So next time you say racing is bad think about your actions!

I'll do that, if you'll pay more attention to your school work. You had 10 misspelled words in your post. Trust me, you'll go further in life with an education than you ever will street racing. (This is meant as friendly, albeit truthful, advice.)

[rn79870]

...One of them wrecked a COPO 69 Corvette with the aluminum 427...

I'll bet he cries every time he thinks about what that car would be worth today.

[lucidd]

DooooDD, Sorry, you have to excuse the animosity that comes with this subject.You've come to the wrong post / forum to discuss street racing being safe or ok or whatever...

Its like preaching about the devil to a room of SAINTS... lol

Checkout some of the prev. threads, and you'll see that streetracing is [to some of the members] as bad as burning the cross on sunday afternnon in front of the church - in a small town.

oh, and of course, i do not endorse street racing! dont get me twisted.

L

btw, for you who are counting my gramatical errors, save it - there are 5 of them... can you spot them?

[SVTCOBRA]

rn79870you're wasting your keystrokes....unfortunately.Nico needs an ignore button. One that allows you to put people in a list of posters that you don't see!You don't see any of their comments! I used to frequent yahoo finance and remember them having something similiar.

If the thread takes this turn, BE WARNED - I will be forced to post more mustang pics!!

[joe603]

LOL! Please no more 5.slow pics!! haha

[telcoman]

If the thread takes this turn, BE WARNED - I will be forced to post more mustang pics!!

PLEASE do not post any pictures of Fords. It upsets me as it reminds me of my first car.

[telcoman]

Im a 17 year old kid (Yeah I know dont start) But me and my friends go and race out in the country, Ive lived in this area all my life and I know where to go for empty streets and we always scope them out before we race. The tires they run dont smoke beleive me weve tried lol. Im only endorsing street racing in SAFE condidtions. I know some of you will argue no conditions are safe but I concur there are some safe places to race that arnt on a track, Ive been racing myself for 2 years now and have only had one close call and that was because I drifted off onto the shoulder.

So those of you saying all street racing is bad, take a look at your past. How many of you have raced from stop light to stop light, or just go sick of being next to someone on the highway and stood on the gas to get away technically that is racing according to Minnesota State Department Of Transporation.

So next time you say racing is bad think about your actions!

I hope you give some serious thought to your street racing. It only takes a split second for you to not only ruin your life but perhaps others as well.Loss of vehicle,possible arrest, jail time, criminal record, fines, lawyers fees, possible loss of obtaining a college education, failure to get hired because of a criminal record.........etcIn addition, young people like yourself are sorely needed to pay my social security. If you are driving a Pathfinder it is top heavy & does not handle like a G35. A dangerous vehicle for someone who thinks racing on public highways is acceptable behavior.

Telcoman

[lucidd]

[rn79870]

rn79870you're wasting your keystrokes....unfortunately.......If the thread takes this turn, BE WARNED - I will be forced to post more mustang pics!!

I realize that. Maybe if they hear it enough it will sink in and just maybe they will think twice before making a mistake that lasts a lifetime.

On the other hand, maybe they should spend a little more attention to developing the skill sets necessary for life. The language skill possessed by much of the younger generation has deteriorated to the point of self-pauperization.

Okay, I’ll shut up now and try and find something for telcoman.

PLEASE do not post any pictures of Fords. It upsets me as it reminds me of my first car.

1958 right?



Deja Vu?
Modified by rn79870 at 3:32 PM 2/17/2008

[telcoman]

I realize that. Maybe if they hear it enough it will sink in and just maybe they will think twice before making a mistake that lasts a lifetime.

On the other hand, maybe they should spend a little more attention to developing the skill sets necessary for life. The language skill possessed by much of the younger generation has deteriorated to the point of self-pauperization.

Okay, I’ll shut up now and try and find something for telcoman.

1958 right?



Deja Vu?

The only thing good about that vehicle was my first happy ending in the back seat

[rn79870]

The only thing good about that vehicle was my first happy ending in the back seat

[SVTCOBRA]

OK, telcoman. A pic of your crapo Ford deserves to have some company.Pic of my crapo Dodge. One week with this car and you would like your crapo Ford.

[telcoman]

Im a 17 year old kid (Yeah I know dont start) But me and my friends go and race out in the country, Ive lived in this area all my life and I know where to go for empty streets and we always scope them out before we race. The tires they run dont smoke beleive me weve tried lol. Im only endorsing street racing in SAFE condidtions. I know some of you will argue no conditions are safe but I concur there are some safe places to race that arnt on a track, Ive been racing myself for 2 years now and have only had one close call and that was because I drifted off onto the shoulder.

So those of you saying all street racing is bad, take a look at your past. How many of you have raced from stop light to stop light, or just go sick of being next to someone on the highway and stood on the gas to get away technically that is racing according to Minnesota State Department Of Transporation.

So next time you say racing is bad think about your actions!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02...A3Eog