Another poorly-thought out idea

[skylndrftr]

smockers you missed the worst part, we're inheriting their debt, and their lack of retirement fund, and the fact that none of them actually own their houses. That means they are costing us money out of pocket, costing us money to support them, and costing us money by devaluing the homes our families will eventually own.

Soravaia, if they want to come here and work their butts off for minimum wage because they thin kthats the american dream I say let them. Theres plenty of criminals and drug dealers here already that didn't come over the border. Of My Fiance's three roomates who graduated this year from a 4 year private college...1 got a job, 1 went home because she didnt want to work in her field, and 1 is taking a year off (home) before deciding what she wants to do. My generation on average are lazy spoiled self righteous little bungholes who ***** about their being no jobs but would never stoop to working at mcdonalds to make a buck.

You want to make crime and drugs go away? Legalize them and tax them...how many black market tobacco murders are their a year??

[AZhitman]

I don't think I've ever agreed with BOTH Soravia and sky in one thread, but those last two posts were solid.

You guys need to GET INVOLVED in your local political machine. Well-done.

[telcoman]

Just like when U.S. got out of the great depression, government can stimulate the economy by CREATING JOBS & HIRNING PEOPLE.We can use people on building roads (not bridge to nowhere) with federal oversight teams to avoid pork.We can use people to contract farming for the government. Provide land, money and equipment. Let a private company manage it and reap the profits. Use the corn, switch grass etc for fuel.Do the same with oil fields and refineries. This is better than giving tax breaks to oil companies. Give them money and force them to do the job. Let them reap the profit and take back the investment later.

This will create jobs and not really spend the money at the same time while having guaranteed success of the projects.

Of course. Put up concrete walls and machine gun towers on the southern border. Illegal immigrants not only steal tax and jobs, they also bring criminals, drugs and guns into US. Mexican drug gangs are already operating in US. We can't afford to have them take over the country in 2045 when 30% of the population will be Mexicans since they breed pretty quick.

The great depression is what led to the passage of the Social Security ActContrary to what many believe, retirement is only a small part of it. The retirement benefits were never designed to provide the sole support of retirees. Aid to dependant children, benefits to a surviving spouse, etc provide a floor of income due to a catestrophic death of a breadwinner.All young people graduating college and entering the workforce need to understand not only Social Security, but planning for their retirement, pensions, 401k plans etc.Be very careful in how you borrow money. Understand there is good debt and bad debt. Buying a house is good debt. Spending $50k on a wedding for a 5 hour party is bad debt. So is financing a car for so long to make the payments affordable that you end up under water owing more on the vehicle than it is worth if totaled in an accident.

As for the Mexicans that you commented on, educate their children and when they enter the workforce they will end up paying more in taxes to our government than it cost to educate them. Not sure if anyone watched Hopkins this summer on ABC on Thursday nights?The chief brain surgeon at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Boston was a Mexican immigrant that jumped the wall at age 13. He is the top brain surgeon in the United States operating on brain tumors.Watching the operations performed in that hospital was truly amazing. Seeing transplanted hearts and livers looking like pieces of meat turn normal color when clamps are removed and blood begins flowing was just awesome. This country was built on immigrants and we should all remember that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08...login#

Telcoman

[Soravia]

You're right, All the Mexicans are born to be brain surgeon and they all speak English without demanding their patients to speak Mexican (Spanish, lol).

Seriously, why do you think the Nazi were able to kill off millions of Jews without inciting any remorse from most of its people? The were pre-existing hatred for the Jews. It was not as if Jews were loved by the Germans and Hitler suddenly started killing them.

ANY mass-immigration will start of issues like that. Look in Africa, look in Europe.Liberals like to think the world will be a paradise once you legalize everyone and everything. It never was and it never will be. It's all about balance of power.That's why Buddha never tried to save everyone like other Messiahs. He just worked with the ones who were ready and smart enough. You can't save everyone.

I didn't say 'KILL ALL MEXICANS'. I'm saying build an immigration barrier that ACTUALLY WORKS so that everyone will come in legal route and get filtered like every other nation in the world does. This way it's a WIN-WIN for everyone.

I am an immigrant myself and I had to go through the process. I'm greatful to be alive because of the United States of America. I never saw anything demaned from me un-reasonably. Even the raised fees were very reasonable. Government should support USCIS.

[smockers83]

All young people graduating college and entering the workforce need to understand not only Social Security, but planning for their retirement, pensions, 401k plans etc.

Pensions are a big no-no . They are dying and some companies have completely gotten rid of pension plans. In terms of the financial industry, the next biggest thing starting 2009 and for the next 15 years will be the transfer of over $1 trillion from 401k and other similar retirement plans into IRAs.

[skylndrftr]

mismanaged pensions are a no no, good pensions aren't. Part of the reason I am marrying me some federal government employee. Part of the reason I love my college is because they require coops. And as part of the coop you inevitably learn better money managment andthe companies learn you things like retirement and health insurance. Its becoming a big part of our generations thinking on jobs.

@soravia...serriously dude we know your not saying kill all mexicans, but comparing the conduct of the nazis and genocide to mexicans is more than a bit of a stretch.

[Soravia]

Well, that's a stretch and I like to be a little dramatic, but I'm sure you have seen the Paris riots about a year ago or so.These are facts of life. It is the governement's responsibility to protect the interest of the people. Not the immigrants. Immigrants comes AFTER the people who are already here.Any candidate who wants 'Hispanic votes' etc should be kicked out of the race. I'm Asian but I live in USA. I wouldn't care for someone who is pandering for Asian vote as much as someone who is put into a win by '99% Black vote'. I want a President to be put in office by the votes from 'ALL people of USA'.

[skylndrftr]

Soravia, black white purple brown or yellow we are ALL people of USA. Its a s simple as that. The race of those who voted for someone is irrelevant.

[Soravia]

You missed the point again.Did you see the recent news where Howard Dean called the RNC 'white party... I mean Republican party.'???

That's what I meant. Politicians dividing people. Making immigration bills about illegal immigrants because they want to please the former illegal immigrants and illegal immigrant employers, and then compromise the interest of the rest of the people in the nation, etc.

'Oh, Obama is a black candidate. You are black, you have to vote for him.' (Obama is HALF black and HALF white).'Oh, Hillary/McCain is white. If you are white and support Hillary/McCain, you must have issues against a black person becoming the president.'

If you don't call that as being low, I don't know what you can call low-life politics.

[rn79870]

In all the people I've talked to, I've never heard one person speak of voting, or not voting, for either candidate because of that persons race. It may be that Obama will gain the majority of minority vote, but that is pretty much a given for a democratic candidate regardless of his/her race.

[skylndrftr]

You missed the point again.Did you see the recent news where Howard Dean called the RNC 'white party... I mean Republican party.'???

To be perfectly honest I had missed that and find it frankly stupid

That's what I meant. Politicians dividing people. Making immigration bills about illegal immigrants because they want to please the former illegal immigrants and illegal immigrant employers, and then compromise the interest of the rest of the people in the nation, etc.

'Oh, Obama is a black candidate. You are black, you have to vote for him.' (Obama is HALF black and HALF white).'Oh, Hillary/McCain is white. If you are white and support Hillary/McCain, you must have issues against a black person becoming the president.'

If you don't call that as being low, I don't know what you can call low-life politics.

Agreed, didn't catch the nuance. However I have no problem with candidates targetting specific groups whether its because they are mormon, brown, or because they are union members. I just get frustrated because being from Virginia there are a lot of people who think like that. Unfortunately arguing with them is difficult (kinda like arguing with a brick wall. So I come here and argue with better informed people.

[Soravia]

In all the people I've talked to, I've never heard one person speak of voting, or not voting, for either candidate because of that persons race. It may be that Obama will gain the majority of minority vote, but that is pretty much a given for a democratic candidate regardless of his/her race.

Add 'Liberal Guilt' to your vocabulary. The only thing more Taboo than Racism in US (Nazi in Germany) is Pedophilia. Even murder and rape are rated lesser crime than racism which would end up in federal court.

Here, the facts straight from California, the most liberal state in US. Tell me which group is the most racist of all in United States of America.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/

EDIT : This is where the pun 'They truly show thier colors now.' comes very useful. LoL
Modified by Soravia at 8:04 PM 8/16/2008

[rn79870]

Add 'Liberal Guilt' to your vocabulary. The only thing more Taboo than Racism in US (Nazi in Germany) is Pedophilia. Even murder and rape are rated lesser crime than racism which would end up in federal court.

That makes so little sense that I'm at a loss to respond. I think your understanding of criminal law is somewhat misguided too.

Here, the facts straight from California, the most liberal state in US. Tell me which group is the most racist of all in United States of America.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/

What does "racist" have to do with any of that? If that's the best you can do to back your racism claim, you've missed the target. If you dig any deeper of a hole, you're likely to end up watching the Olympics in China.

[Soravia]

My bad. Let me re-phrase it. 'Racism added on to a crime would end up at federal court.'

As for the link, you should check out ALL other states' polls. Really, they don't get any better.

[rn79870]

If you're talking about hate crimes (there is no racism crime that I know of) then it would get tried in a state court. If you're thinking of Title 42 Civil Rights violations, then yes, Federal court would have jurisdiction. But a Title 42 case is in addition to and concurrent with any state charges. That's one way you can be tried, and convicted more than once on the same facts.

[smockers83]

I'm not exactly sure where crime got involved in the discussion, particularly racist crimes, but I think I know what he's getting at. In the world of US minorities, there is a lot of competition and racism between the minorities that fuels crime in the minority groups. In schools, it really isn't the white kid vs. "x" minority, its "x" minority vs. "y" minority, but it does include white vs minority. Many crimes may get tried as murder or something because it was gang violence or something, but behind it could be racism due to the gang or just because someone was in the wrong area.

[szh]

An old thread that needs to be bumped ... there are relevant threads that are going on right now.

Z

[AZhitman]

Aaaaahhhhh, yeah, this was a good one.

Has it really been 2.5 years of clobbering Howie?