Another hard working guy getting screwed

[telcoman]

By his employer


http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2 ... d-bonuses/

No one seems to care anymore about hard working people trying to earn an honest living

Telcoman

[C-Kwik]

I think its a bit premature to be picking sides in this. I'd imagine determining whether or not Stern had the effects he claimed would be difficult to assess even with evidence. I have a hard time believing that you can do that with no evidence.

[themadscientist]

I don't have a hard time believing he could do that. Our Howard, not their Howard.

[telcoman]

I think its a bit premature to be picking sides in this. I'd imagine determining whether or not Stern had the effects he claimed would be difficult to assess even with evidence. I have a hard time believing that you can do that with no evidence.

I have to assume the evidence is in his contract?

His agent, his boss and his lawyers are all very smart as are all Howards.

[audtatious]

Michael Moore would say he deserves nothing and should be in jail for taking so much of the people's money. Howie, since you seem to be such a lap dog of Michael Moore I would think you'd agree and would side against Howard. If you don't then you have to side against Michael Moore and would believe that people deserve what they make.

[AZhitman]

...and this is the part where Howie bails, having been backed into a corner and having to choose a side without fully comprehending what he's talking about.

It's almost sad. It's like someone stole his walker in the middle of the cafeteria.

[telcoman]

Michael Moore would say he deserves nothing and should be in jail for taking so much of the people's money. Howie, since you seem to be such a lap dog of Michael Moore I would think you'd agree and would side against Howard. If you don't then you have to side against Michael Moore and would believe that people deserve what they make.

Michael Moore is a very successful film maker.
He was right on in taking on General Motors and the crappy cars they were selling while Roger Smith was running the company into the ground while destroying Flint Michigan.

You and the other lemmings may believe that what they see on faux news is the truth but the fact is we have a crappy mismanaged health care system in this country and Michael Moore had a very successful film pointing that out.

Howard Stern is also very successful and both earn a lot of money that they deserve.

As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it

[audtatious]

So, because you personally approve of what MM and HS do then they deserve to keep their money. Because you don't personally approve of what some others do with their money then it should be taken away from them and distributed back to the people?

Am I reading that right?

[telcoman]

So, because you personally approve of what MM and HS do then they deserve to keep their money. Because you don't personally approve of what some others do with their money then it should be taken away from them and distributed back to the people?

Am I reading that right?

No

You are missing my point

"As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it"

Their taxes should be 95%

[stebo0728]

"As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it"

Sounds like lefty mythology. Point some out.

[telcoman]

"As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it"

Sounds like lefty mythology. Point some out.

Sure!

Here you go

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2005/05/h ... -make.html

[audtatious]

So, because you personally approve of what MM and HS do then they deserve to keep their money. Because you don't personally approve of what some others do with their money then it should be taken away from them and distributed back to the people?

Am I reading that right?

No

You are missing my point

"As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it"

Their taxes should be 95%

How are overpaid executives ruining out health care? Other than big pharma and insurance companies who get handouts from Obamacare, what do execs at HP and IBM and Joe's Hat Shack have to do with ruining health care? For that matter, where is the blame for Gov involvement and unnecessary regulation causing jobs to go overseas?

To the person living on welfare, you are rich and part of the problem too. They demand you pay 95% tax on all of your assets, including your savings, retirement, and 401k. You going to say "OK"? You are to blame for them not being happy and being stuck with a measly little 32G ipad. They wanna get sum of dat!

[C-Kwik]

I have to assume the evidence is in his contract?

The contract dictates the terms, and there is no indication that his contract doesn't state he gets a bonus for bringing in listeners. The big question of evidence is whether or not he was responsible for the large number of new subscribers. I have a feeling that the evidence is not going to be quite clear as there is a lot of interpretation of the data that will be necessary. Could depend on the actual contract language and how they specified the metrics for determining if he brought in more subscribers or not. In short, a contract dictates the terms. But you still have to apply it to the circumstances.

[AZhitman]

Michael Moore is a very successful film maker. Howard Stern is also very successful and both earn a lot of money that they deserve.

As for over paid executives ruining our health care and other American companies into the ground and destroying thousands of jobs they in my opinion don't deserve s#it

Their taxes should be 95%

How do you swing from two sets of nuts at one time?

Moore and Stern wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, but yet they're "oh so dreamy and noble" compared to those "fat cat executives".

Explain to me how someone's taxes should be 95% based on their occupation. Go ahead, this should be brilliant.

[AZhitman]

I have to assume....

Last time you assumed something, you impugned my (and my staff's) integrity with a baseless and libelous allegation.

You should probably have someone smart double-check your work.

[telcoman]

I have to assume....

Last time you assumed something, you impugned my (and my staff's) integrity with a baseless and libelous allegation.

You should probably have someone smart double-check your work.

Isn't almost time for you to tune in Glenn Beck

[AZhitman]

I don't listen to Beck. Yet another ignorant and incorrect assumption.

Nice attempt at deflection - so typical of a lazy liberal puppet.

[telcoman]

I have to assume the evidence is in his contract?

The contract dictates the terms, and there is no indication that his contract doesn't state he gets a bonus for bringing in listeners. The big question of evidence is whether or not he was responsible for the large number of new subscribers. I have a feeling that the evidence is not going to be quite clear as there is a lot of interpretation of the data that will be necessary. Could depend on the actual contract language and how they specified the metrics for determining if he brought in more subscribers or not. In short, a contract dictates the terms. But you still have to apply it to the circumstances.

You can read the filing here

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... Sirius.pdf

[audtatious]

So, no proof that he actually met his contract to you means the CEO's of the company should be penalized by being taxed on 95% of their income while Howard Stern should get a pass because you like him?

What about Soros? In 2008 he purchased the controlling interest in a Brazillian oil company that will make a fortune now that Obama has signed the trade bill. Should Soros, the huge left-wing contributor to the Dem party be forced to pay a 95% tax rate as well or does he get a pass from you too? I know your answer will be "no, he should get no pass" while secretly you would give him a pass if it was your call. so, on that account don't bother answering because we know already.

[C-Kwik]

You can read the filing here

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... Sirius.pdf

I'd be more interested in the actual employment contract and the evidence of subscriptions and data that might help interpret what the subscription data represents in terms of if Stern brought the subscribers in, with respect to what the contract actually says. The complaint details the plaintiff's assertions in the case. It is not, in and of itself, evidence. I'm in no way saying Stern is wrong or that Sirius XM is wrong. I'm pointing out that you seem to have made a conclusion about a case in which no evidence has been brought forth. Frankly, its unlikely that you or I or anyone here will see the whole of the evidence that will be shown in court (assuming it gets that far). So can anyone claim to know who was screwed or who is right in this matter? THAT is my issue with your post. Frankly, I'm not sure how this is even a politics issue anyways.

[telcoman]

So, no proof that he actually met his contract to you means the CEO's of the company should be penalized by being taxed on 95% of their income while Howard Stern should get a pass because you like him?

What about Soros? In 2008 he purchased the controlling interest in a Brazillian oil company that will make a fortune now that Obama has signed the trade bill. Should Soros, the huge left-wing contributor to the Dem party be forced to pay a 95% tax rate as well or does he get a pass from you too? I know your answer will be "no, he should get no pass" while secretly you would give him a pass if it was your call. so, on that account don't bother answering because we know already.

You must be glued to Fox because whenever I channel surf past that aweful network I sometimes hear his name.

You are still missing my original point

Executives stealing huge sums of money from shareholders, producing inferior products, causing huge losses and jobs in these companies whether public or private should
in my opinion be taxed at a 95% rate on these ill gotten funds with possible jail time.
I really don't give a f*** about George Soros.
At least the money he contributes is out in the open
The GOP wants to keep all their buy offs a secret

[telcoman]

You can read the filing here

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... Sirius.pdf

Frankly, I'm not sure how this is even a politics issue anyways.

Only pointing out how a wealthy individual can get screwed by his employer while collective bargaining rights are being taken away from other not so well off workers by an out of touch and not too smart GOP governor.

[C-Kwik]

Only pointing out how a wealthy individual can get screwed by his employer while collective bargaining rights are being taken away from other not so well off workers by an out of touch and not too smart GOP governor.

1. We don't know that Stern is actually getting screwed by his employer.

2. What, if anything, does this have to do with the issue in Wisconsin? Not only is this not a collective bargaining issue, its a lawsuit. And even then, its not even a class action lawsuit.

3. While I'm against abolishing collective bargaining rights, you're making some pretty broad leaps here.

[IBCoupe]

I really didn't want to get involved in this because I really don't care, but I think what Telco's trying to get at is the fundamental assumption that individual employees actually have any real say over the terms of their employment.

Assuming that Stern is getting screwed, as Telco is assuming, we have to recognize that he's a pretty powerful figure, and he's still getting worked over. So: where do we get off on taking away collective bargaining rights from a group of people who individually hold even less power?

Yeah, he's making some drastic leaps, and I'm not saying that the facts support them, but I think I see where he's aiming to go.

[AZhitman]

...I think what Telco's trying to get at is the fundamental assumption....Assuming that Stern is getting screwed, as Telco is assuming...

Stop the presses.

Howie assuming something? No way. Say it ain't so.

[audtatious]

Executives stealing huge sums of money from shareholders, producing inferior products, causing huge losses and jobs in these companies whether public or private should
in my opinion be taxed at a 95% rate on these ill gotten funds with possible jail time.
I really don't give a f*** about George Soros.
At least the money he contributes is out in the open
The GOP wants to keep all their buy offs a secret

- If the company is publicly traded then the CEO answers to a board of directors who represent themselves and other shareholders. If the CEO is not representing the company properly then they are replaced. IF a company is producing an inferior product then the company making the better product should take the lions share. If that results in job losses in the US then so be it. If we are so lame that we cannot create better product than other countries then we don't deserve it. Why would you want to ensure US-based companies that make bad products are kept in business? ...yes Howie, we all know you believe corporations are built solely as a place for people to have employment and health insurance. We all know your favorite lefties can do it much much better (yet have failed time and time again).

- "Ill gotten funds". Show me where they are ill gotten? Show me where they are breaking the law? What are they doing that is illegal? Oh, it's all about feelings is it?

- So, you don't care about Soros but you still won't come out and say he should be taxed at 95%...because at least the money he contributes (to Dem organizations) is out in the open? Give the man a pass...Telco-style. Only Republicans are corrupt and money hungry...ignore the man behind the curtain, a curtain that has a donkey on it.

- Quite a number of those large corporations are owned by Democrats or have Democrat CEO's. I assume you give them a pass as well? Why do you hate people like Opra so much? Why you wanna take more of her money and put her in jail for not redistributing her wealth? Howie, you must be RACIST!

[AZhitman]

Anyone who calls someone an "Okie" definitely has some liberal elitist racist tendencies.

I'm pretty sure Howie's circle of friends is fairly homogeneous: White, old, northeastern and liberal.

[themadscientist]

Hey, I'm three of those!

[stebo0728]

individual employees actually have any real say over the terms of their employment.

If you dont like the terms of your employment, and you fail to negotiate to your satisfaction, then move on to somewhere you can negotiate better. If you've chosen to work in a niche field where your employment options are extremely limited, and the limited options all fail to meet your desires, then perhaps your desires are too great, or you have chosen the wrong career.

[IBCoupe]

Thank you, Stebo, for demonstrating just the fundamental assumption I was talking about.