Another execution

[C-Kwik]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/....html

[Nathan]

I really dont know why we dont start brutally murdering some of THEIR people...there's no deterrent like killing someone's family and everyone they have ever met.

[[Zero-S]]

Agreed.

But thats against what we stand for, we're better than that.

[C-Kwik]

That's about as effective as them killing innocent hostages. The fact is we do not negotiate. And apparently, neither do the Saudi's. All they are doing is making more people hate them. If we stooped to their level, we would do that to ourselves. Not that we need more people hating the US.

[Cold_Zero]

I really dont know why we dont start brutally murdering some of THEIR people...there's no deterrent like killing someone's family and everyone they have ever met.

This will only cause escelation and cause public support to swing towards the Militants. The Israelis do have a novel concept when it comes to terrorists (suicide bombers). They take over the terrorlst's house, make everyone evacuate, seal up the house and then blow it up. Granted, this only works if the terrorlst cares about his/her family and that you can conduct this type of operation in the country where he/she resides.

bud

[AZhitman]

I believe our leaders are showing remarkable restraint.

Just reinforces how important it is for us to be there attempting to stabilize the region. If the militants are successful in toppling Saudi's leadership, and Pakistan is subsequently overrun, then you have fundamentalist wackos with nukes.

Think about that next time someone says we need to "leave the mideast alone".

It really is NOT about oil, no matter what the hand-wringers and conspiracists say.

[GEO]

We need to ge all fo our troops people out of there. and destroy their lands, enemies and all inicent people. I mean, thsoe inicent people can be brainwashed to be terrorists. Anyway, lets jsut get of that one race thats all causing problems..

[yashin]

They kill innocent people so we should as well.

They could just as easily claim that their killing of innocent people is in retaliation of US bombing of innocent people.

I don't understand the logic here.

You invade a country, bomb houses, kill thousands, destroy everything. Then you get mad when people attack back and kill one person? What did you think was going to happen?

Azhitman, if it's not about oil, then what is it about? Why has so interfered with the middle east? For fun.

Leave the middle east, and then they won't have any reason to hate the US.

Aside from what people say, the only reason they dislike the US is because it keeps on interfering with other peoples business. They don't care about what clothes you wear or what you watch on tv. Are you all so conceited and full of yourselves that you think that they hate the US because of your clothes.

Leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. Simple as that.

Pre-WWII, when the US didn't really concern itself with the middle east, the middle east didn't care about the US either.

[Altiman94]

We should NOT kill innocent people. That would bring us down to their level. We need to stay on the hunt for the active terrorists. As with any war there will be losses.

[Anand]

ahhh... another thread about politics..

Let me get a 12 pack of beer and start craking at this one..

on a second thought... I'm going to leave this one alone again..

but I will say this.... belive me you... this will keep happening..the terrorists that are doing this in the middle east, will not stop.. they are like weeds... no matte what you do, they will keep coming back

if we are not able to stop our own terrorists what makes you think we can stop other countries???

just a simple question.. no proof needed or asked or given.. take it as you may..

thank you and have a good day... If you guys end up going to vegas..

then we can sit down have a couple rounds and then debate about this! cuz it will get ugly!

[Omar]

...destroy their lands, enemies and all inicent people. I mean, thsoe inicent people can be brainwashed to be terrorists. Anyway, lets jsut get of that one race thats all causing problems..

That has to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read. You must be retarded.

[Anand]

We need to ge all fo our troops people out of there. and destroy their lands, enemies and all inicent people. I mean, thsoe inicent people can be brainwashed to be terrorists. Anyway, lets jsut get of that one race thats all causing problems..

if you would do that then, all races would have to be done with! did you ever think of that??

Every race in this world has caused major problems... Every country has had it's fair share of cruilty at some point. Even America! so before you say something like that, you better brush up on your history!

[spitz7985]

I think we should be spending more on home defense and less on this war. All we're doing is creating a whole new generation of people that hate the US (not that they wouldn't have been brainwashed into hating us anyway). We're not going to stop terrorism at the source. It's impossible. We need to stop it here.

How the hell does Bush expect to LOWER the nat'l deficeit, LOWER taxes, AND fight a war?!?

I'm no economic guru, and I don't follow the news as much as I should. Go easy on me.

Black240, I'm interested in what you have to say.

[Phax]

I really dont know why we dont start brutally murdering some of THEIR people...there's no deterrent like killing someone's family and everyone they have ever met.

There is nothing to be gained by killing them, other than to make martyrs of those who we kill.

The entire situation is a cluster *****. There was some military guy on CNN last night saying that "terrorism is going to be an on going battle for our ENTIRE LIFETIME".

Great! Thanks!

I wouldn't mind all the crap going on if our leadership was at least upfront about it. They should just come out and say, "Hey, we're living on an over populated planet. We're running out resources. So we're going to go exploit other countries, so that we can continue to live in our consumer driven economy, where the American dream is to be RICH, and have MORE STUFF than the guy next to you, who already has more than he really needs."

Don't get me wrong, I'm as guilty as the next guy. I spend thousands of dollars that I don't need to spend on my car. It's a narrow world view. What I've spent on my car in the last six months could feed and cloth a good sized extended family in south America for a few years.

[Phax]

I don't understand the logic here.

Leave the middle east, and then they won't have any reason to hate the US.

:withstup

I see no reason to be in the Middle East. Everyone I talk to, see's no reason to be in the Middle East. Yet, we're spending billions of dollars to be there. To rid the world of a dictator? BS? We've setup more dictators in south and central America than we've removed from anywhere else.

Ever think that maybe we're not getting the whole picture? That perhaps, there might be some forces at work, who recognize America as a tool to further their own ambitions?

[C-Kwik]

They kill innocent people so we should as well.

They could just as easily claim that their killing of innocent people is in retaliation of US bombing of innocent people.

I don't understand the logic here.

You invade a country, bomb houses, kill thousands, destroy everything. Then you get mad when people attack back and kill one person? What did you think was going to happen?

Azhitman, if it's not about oil, then what is it about? Why has so interfered with the middle east? For fun.

Leave the middle east, and then they won't have any reason to hate the US.

Aside from what people say, the only reason they dislike the US is because it keeps on interfering with other peoples business. They don't care about what clothes you wear or what you watch on tv. Are you all so conceited and full of yourselves that you think that they hate the US because of your clothes.

Leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. Simple as that.

Pre-WWII, when the US didn't really concern itself with the middle east, the middle east didn't care about the US either.

Keep in mind, the innocent people are not the ones that are killing us. The countries they live in are not the ones we are fighting. It's the terrorists. If people in the US started rebelling against our own government and started killing innocent people, do we just go ahead and kill more innocent people to get these terrorists?

And the war against Iraq had no intent to kill innocent lives. In any war there is collateral damage. It might be different if the intent was the war was domination, but this was as much a political war as there is. We had to invade a country while trying to keep from killing or pissing off the citizens of that country. Not exactly an easy task as is very apparent.

I'd rather be fighting a small group of suicidal terrorists than a large group of them. Killing innocent people will only cause the innocent to hate us more. Geez, what will drive them towards terrorism more? Hate and fear has a lot of control over common sense and decency.

AZHitman already stated why he felt we were in the war. Agree or disagree with him, but don't ignore his reasoning. If you disagree, provide proof or some kind of reasonable evidence to support your own theories.

Stay out of other people's business? I'm sure there were those that said the same thing before Nazi Germany made it all the way to France. Why is it that Muslims are not exaclty willing to share their land? Why did the Crusades happen? They fight over 'Holy Land'. There is a reason why Israel has been figthing terrorism for so long now. Oil is hardly the reason for our involvement. Though it may be a factor. But I doubt those that actually control the oil directly are complaining much. They are making a ton of money.

[C-Kwik]

We need to ge all fo our troops people out of there. and destroy their lands, enemies and all inicent people. I mean, thsoe inicent people can be brainwashed to be terrorists. Anyway, lets jsut get of that one race thats all causing problems..

Sounds like you are brainwashed against the Middle Easterners.

[C-Kwik]

:withstup

I see no reason to be in the Middle East. Everyone I talk to, see's no reason to be in the Middle East. Yet, we're spending billions of dollars to be there. To rid the world of a dictator? BS? We've setup more dictators in south and central America than we've removed from anywhere else.

Ever think that maybe we're not getting the whole picture? That perhaps, there might be some forces at work, who recognize America as a tool to further their own ambitions?

You need to make a very big distinction. Perhaps there is no reason to have invaded Iraq. But the terrorism occured long before the latest Iraqi war. In fact, Osama was against anyone being on the Muslim Holy Land long before the first Gulf War. Even as we were giving aid to Afghanistan and helping them and Osama fight the Soviets. He found resentment even towards the Saudi Royal Family as they allowed us to have troops and bases there. Osama was stripped of his Saudi citizenship as a result, despite the fact that his family had a very close and prosperous business relationship with the Saudi government.

So what happens if we leave? Do they stop their religious war with Israel as well? Or do they get more bold and perhaps take over the country. Heck, where do they stop? Perhaps they get stopped in France? Or is it that they are sending suicide bombers on buses and into crowded buildings because the US is there. The picture is much larger and more varied than either you or I can imagine. If things were that simple, I'd think we'd have world peace for the rest of our lives.

America has been involved an many things that many people think we should not have been. What's done is done. Hindsight is usually 20/20, but in this case, it's still not perfectly clear. Hell, we are still in the middle of it.

And we also can not simply up and leave Iraq in disarray. A government needs to be established. While ousting Saddam was a nice benefit of perhaps an otherwise unjustified war, it would be pointless to put someone else like him or worse back in command. Regardless of the fact we have not found WMD's, it was no secret that Saddam wanted them. Perhaps we should let someone take the reigns that could potentially have more determination to achieve this goal.

The terrorists are obviously using the Iraq war as another excuse to kill Americans. They demand the Saudi's release the terrorlst prisoners. Interestingly, they have not asked us to release Saddam.

This whole discussion could go on for days and months. None of us will ever know enough about it to make any effective recommendations. Hell, our government can't even do it. Don't be so quick to judge until you are faced with the decisions that our leaders have been. Sometimes looking at the bigger picture starts with looking at ourselves.

[Nathan]

Well, I could never ACTUALLY endorse my idea, but I DO think it would be effective. I think its definitely possible to reach an extreme enough level that people quit ****ing with you. Really, we are doing the right thing probably by not going ape **** crazy over this and bombing some village or something...but it sure would make me feel better. Hopefully we can just kill those responsible for this atrocity.

[Anand]

The bottom line is that we are in this no matter what anyone can say or do!

We CAN NOT just pull out now, because that would cause more problems than what we already started! the reprocutions of our actions will last way longer than any of our generations.

The middle east has been fighting the "Holy War" for centuries!! they have been fighitng "terrorism" for centuries. THis is nothing new to them... they live by it every day...

BUT, to America it is new, we have never seen such a terrorlst act against us. We thought we were above this... but alas, we are not.... and it's just time till things get worse from here. This type or terror is like a weed... you can't live with it, and you can try but you can't kill it all!!!! I don't know what we can do to change this. I do THINK I know what went wrong, but then again.. who am I??? who are you?? nobody... The only thing we can do is state our opinions (like and A$$ hole, everyone has one) without getting hurt and pointing fingers and without ignorant comments!!

People need to open their eyes, even America has done it's "terrorlst acts" it's all politics, it just the way you carry it out... it's all in the delivery.

I didn't want to go to Vietnam but, who thinks we should have been there??? well, we had no right to be there but got our butts whopped.. we are still paying for it in some ways...

And God forbid this turns into another Vietnam.. that will be a sad sad day for all of us..

OH and just so you guys don't think this but if the time came... I WOULD fight for this country! after all I am an American but just by being patriotic doesn't mean you have to support everything your government does!

now stop pulling me back into this topic....someone please lock this thread

***shuts door*** and runs away from this thread as fast as I can...

[spitz7985]

Well, I could never ACTUALLY endorse my idea, but I DO think it would be effective. I think its definitely possible to reach an extreme enough level that people quit ****ing with you. Really, we are doing the right thing probably by not going ape **** crazy over this and bombing some village or something...but it sure would make me feel better. Hopefully we can just kill those responsible for this atrocity.

Ever here of a man by the name of Adolf Hitler?

[[Zero-S]]

You know, this thread can get ugly all it wants, theres always going to be a difference of opinions. But at least keep it civil, I always find it easier to read a post where half the words haven't been blanked out.

[APEXi240]

Leave the middle east, and then they won't have any reason to hate the US.

HAHAHA, now that is funny.

Because we meddle in "other people's business" is not the only reason "they" hate us.

[Cold_Zero]

I think all that can be said, has been. I am sure we are not getting the full story and I would vouch that not one of us work for the State Department, or the CIA and are invovled with this case.

It is a tragic loss that Paul Johnson was killed by these murders. And don't believe for one second that if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone! Appeasement only buys you a little bit of time and shows that you are weak.