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[LightEmUp]

OP posts link and solicits opinions. Said individual gets opinions, but rejects them because they are not what he appears to have been expecting.

He promotes group that claims to be for freedom on the internet, but attacks websites thus engaging in a form of censorship, the very thing they are supposedly against.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

I am TMS. I am a Legion unto myself. I do not let an opportunity to clown on people pass. I do not show mercy. Adjust your attitude or expect my attention.

Never promoted them or tried to instill ANY thoughts on ANYONE at ANYPOINT in time. Everything i have said is my opinion about the group and im welcoming your opinions to see what you think. Real responses with valid reasons no "omg stupid pu$$y hackers are so lame wearing masks" tell me why you dis like or like them, provide a real reason. Not crap.

Also how am i attacking any websites? Im pretty sure the freedom im talking about on the internet is being displayed right now in this thread. Please clarify how im attacking anyone or censoring anything.

[themadscientist]

Kid, stop for a minute and think about a few things. I call you kid not because of your age which may be greater than mine,but because you write with the unconsidered, clumsy zeal of a young person with an opinion. I'm not saying that to diss you, it's just an observation. It's important to consider that I am not the only one who registers it and has a lot to do with some of the responses you are getting.

"Stupid p**** hackers" is an opinion. For reference:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion
o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled[uh-pin-yuhn]
noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

While I tend to lean towards disapproval of many of their actions I would not go so far as that and while it is a crudely formed opinion it is still just that. I agree with some of this groups actions so I choose to resist actively supporting or combating them.

I never said you were attacking websites. They definitely are. You are advocating for them, are you not? By doing this you are advocating for what they do. When you associate with a person, an organization, a favorite Bond actor, you are putting your name on what they do. You are who you associate with. This is a concept that many people have a hard time comprehending, but it is true. Taking it a step further, in a way, you are seeking to oppress the opinions of others by discounting their validity because you do not like them when they clearly meet the established criteria of the same. So, a second count of supporting censorship.

Now, if you step on your crank and I have to delete posts, and/or send you on a vacation that would also be censorship. In this microcosm of the internet, however, within the tenants of a framework of rules, rules you agreed to when you joined, it would not be wrong.

Anonymous, however, seem to claim to fight for freedom within the realm of the unregulated greater internet, but at the same time denies the same to others they do not agree with. This is contradictory and dumb. They hide as they do it. Sounds a bit like "Stupid p**** hackers" don't it? You appear to advocate for them and when confronted with exactly what you requested reject it and seek to drive it out because it does not please you. This is also contradictory and dumb.

In a way, though, the fact that you and the organization you appear to like both conduct themselves in the same illogical and humorously contradictory manner means you probably deserve each other. In that way, you appear to have made the right choice of who you associate with. Whether accidental or carefully considered, well done.

[Bubba1]

OP posts link and solicits opinions. Said individual gets opinions, but rejects them because they are not what he appears to have been expecting.

He promotes group that claims to be for freedom on the internet, but attacks websites thus engaging in a form of censorship, the very thing they are supposedly against.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

I am TMS. I am a Legion unto myself. I do not let an opportunity to clown on people pass. I do not show mercy. Adjust your attitude or expect my attention.

Never promoted them or tried to instill ANY thoughts on ANYONE at ANYPOINT in time. Everything i have said is my opinion about the group and im welcoming your opinions to see what you think. Real responses with valid reasons no "omg stupid pu$$y hackers are so lame wearing masks" tell me why you dis like or like them, provide a real reason. Not crap.

Also how am i attacking any websites? Im pretty sure the freedom im talking about on the internet is being displayed right now in this thread. Please clarify how im attacking anyone or censoring anything.

No one is accusing you of anything, but you made it very clear you strongly support what Anonymous does. Unfortunately it seems most folks here do not share your enthusiasm for unrestrained vigilantism.

[LightEmUp]

Just because your a mod doesnt mean u can send me on a vacation for expressing myself. I have attacked no one, although i have taken several attacks upon myself. I am not advocating then nor have I protested my un dieing faith to them, if u want the honest truth, I just heard of them a week ago!!!! I wasnt making this thread to advocate them, they can do that themselves. I only wanted opinions to see what you guys thought of the group. You just gave me your opinion which is valid and u have reason. ( not just stupid pu$$y hackers!!!) Thank you! Im not oppressing anyone with a valid opinion and reason just stupid comments.

"Kid, stop for a minute and think about a few things. I call you kid not because of your age which may be greater than mine,but because you write with the unconsidered, clumsy zeal of a young person with an opinion. I'm not saying that to diss you, it's just an observation. ."

If i seem to go off in a rant i do apologize for that, suffering from ADD and Multiple Sclerosis leaves me kind of scatter brained. So sorry i cant form my sentences or make complete sense all of the time, i do my best.


"No one is accusing you of anything, but you just made it very clear you strongly support what Anonymous does. Unfortunately it seems most folks here do not share your enthusiasm for unrestrained vigilantism."

Sounded like i was being accused of censoring or attacking this forum sorry. I DO NOT strongly support this group as you may all think. I believe the world is full of too many ppl that are happy just living idle lives under the hood of the government, and i can appreciate there efforts so far and trying to stand up for what they believe, ( SOME of which i believe too)

[themadscientist]

Just because your a mod doesnt mean u can send me on a vacation for expressing myself.

it depends on how you choose to express yourself. It's "you're" by the way.

I have attacked no one, although i have taken several attacks upon myself. I am not advocating then nor have I protested my un dieing faith to them, if u want the honest truth, I just heard of them a week ago!!!! I wasnt making this thread to advocate them, they can do that themselves. I only wanted opinions to see what you guys thought of the group. You just gave me your opinion which is valid and u have reason. ( not just stupid pu$$y hackers!!!) Thank you! Im not oppressing anyone with a valid opinion and reason just stupid comments.

You have acted a bit untoward, but IMO at an equivocal level to what has been directed at you, but walk the edge carefully. That goes for your threadmates too, be nice people.

Ah, I see you just skimmed my post, I'll reiterate. All opinions are valid. Some may be more solid and perhaps worthy of consideration by the reader, but they are still opinions and the validity of them is up to the individual reader, not you.

"Kid, stop for a minute and think about a few things. I call you kid not because of your age which may be greater than mine,but because you write with the unconsidered, clumsy zeal of a
young person with an opinion. I'm not saying that to diss you, it's just an observation. ."

If i seem to go off in a rant i do apologize for that, suffering from ADD and Multiple Sclerosis leaves me kind of scatter brained. So sorry i cant form my sentences or make complete sense all of the time, i do my best.

I don't mind ranting and engage in it quite frequently here, please to enjoying sir.

Don't lament being ADD and/or scatterbrained; I am too. People thus afflicted are always interesting I think. Conventional thinkers are boring as hell. They serve only as a workforce of focused individuals who can make our screwy ideas a reality because we are too busy thinking about the next thing.

Well, enough of this banter, I have to go try to rearrange a pile of parts to fit into a space of lesser dimensions than the sum of their total. I have a bet with Stephen Hawking so if the next time you see him he has a GT-R badge on his wheelchair you'll know I failed.

[Bubba1]

Sounded like i was being accused of censoring or attacking this forum sorry. I DO NOT strongly support this group as you may all think. I believe the world is full of too many ppl that are happy just living idle lives under the hood of the government, and i can appreciate there efforts so far and trying to stand up for what they believe, ( SOME of which i believe too)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt you strongly supported Anonymous when you labelled them "21st century freedom fighters." I do feel that there is a small place for vigilantism in the 21st century, but not the definition or methods used by Anonymous. The Guardian Angels, a non-profit volunteer crime fighting organization is essentially vigilantism but in a legal way.

[LightEmUp]

I do know the difference between your and you're. Like i said, i go off on rants and my spelling,punctuation and grammar MAY not be spot on. I guess pre reading my message before i post would solve this but im PRETTY sure u can still understand me if i write your instead of you're. Thats just taking a cheapshot to try and make me feel dumb. but thanks for the correction and thanks for your opinions.

"Don't lament being ADD and/or scatterbrained; I am too. People thus afflicted are always interesting I think. Conventional thinker are boring as hell!"

Its more the MS that leaves my posts looking as they do, i have terrible vision which makes fixing spelling hard when u can barely read your own typing, as well as losing my short term memory. So even if i noticed a spelling mistake, id forget to fix it by the time im finished writing haha Honestly its as frustrating for me as it is you!

best of luck with ur bet? lol


BUBBA: I know this entire thread probably thinks I'm "one of them" by now... Think what you all want lol. i know where my views on the matter stand. And its not 100% in favor for them either.

EDIT: Sorry forgot the ' in I'm

[Hijacker]

You know, Anonymous was founded as an anarchist movement... It started as a bunch of internet e-thugs who enjoyed just messing with people by exploiting password weaknesses on sites like facebook and myspace (I guess everyone forgot the coverage of Anons plastering some idiot kid's myspace with gay p0rn because the kid got butt hurt on 4chan). Or that some kid from 4chan was the one who guessed Sarah Palin's yahoo email password from crap on wikipedia. All done because they think it's fun.

The current bit of crap, like LuLzsec and AnonOps are just the more extreme cases of internet e-thugging. I wouldn't call them freedom fighters or anything. Only because originally, there was no agenda. And even the current "agenda" is more or less just spewing a bit of anarchy. I'm reminded of the quote "some people just like to watch the world burn" when I think of these groups.

Just look at the timeline of what they have done:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... _Anonymous

They go from plastering a kid's myspace, to DDoS attacking the Church of Scientology (and I used to frequent 4chan in those days, I remember the butthurt over that event). It's trolling from a message board just rolling and spewing out to other corners of the world. If someone on the internet made themselves a big enough target, they were certain to get some form of trolling from Anon.

As for the Sony thing, what was going on was Sony wanted the IP logs for George Hotz's website so they could eventually subpoena ISPs for personal info and brick some PS3s that might have been hacked. A pretty bold, and over reaching, move by Sony. It was more or less a show of force, and didn't amount to much.

But like I said, Anon is primarily a bunch of trolls. And that's about it. You can't do much back to them, because like 4chan, pissing on them is like pissing in an ocean of piss.

[LightEmUp]

this is what i wanted, thank you! Atleast the mods can have civil convo's on here. I didnt know that they started out as anarchists thanks for the info. I do believe alot of what they have done is totally wrong, but then how can they do somethings so right? I guess that falls on the no leadership. I believe there are members of ANON that are purely here to help us, as citizens. You always have the few that are gonna do s*** thats unjust and not called for since anyone could be "ANON". Im sure there are good and bad members of this group. Well, i hope atleast.... Thank you for your input as it seems you have more background knowledge on them than any of us.

[Hijacker]

Just remember, don't mistake an anarchist lining up with your ideals as a good thing. It's just momentary serendipity. Eventually, they'll do something else that you don't support/care for.

to fight the new impending 1st amendment violations, you have to protest legitimately. It's hard to take anything members of Anon say at face value due to collective mistrust of past actions. If Anon follows their own historical path, they will eventually find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. A DDoS on the US Chamber of Commerce? Or the Judiciary Committee? It does nothing but stir the hornets' nest that is our slothish federal government. Since the CIA DDoS attack, multiple members of their collective have been arrested. The guy that broke into Palin's email was arrested and sentenced. He was a senator's son as well, and now he's in minimum security.

Sending messages is one thing, but Anon has a history of sending threats. Which is counter productive. Right now, SOPA and PIPA have pretty strong opposition. That's productive.

[LightEmUp]

Just remember, don't mistake an anarchist lining up with your ideals as a good thing. It's just momentary serendipity. Eventually, they'll do something else that you don't support/care for.

Same s*** goes for EVERY other company and organization in the world my friend Eventually, we all mess up.

I said it in this thread before and ill say it again, An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind! This could be good and also very very bad. Ive been on the fence this entire time, no matter how much u all may think i am a dedicated supporter.

[95zenki man]

Just remember, don't mistake an anarchist lining up with your ideals as a good thing. It's just momentary serendipity. Eventually, they'll do something else that you don't support/care for.

Same s*** goes for EVERY other company and organization in the world my friend Eventually, we all mess up.

I said it in this thread before and ill say it again, An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind! This could be good and also very very bad. Ive been on the fence this entire time, no matter how much u all may think i am a dedicated supporter.

Sounds like you got it all worked out then...so why are you asking us about it if you know everything about it?

And the eye for an eye thing is bull, If that where the case we would all be dead by the age of 10.

[danshaz82]

hacktivists!!!!1!

[LightEmUp]

Sounds like you got it all worked out then...so why are you asking us about it if you know everything about it?

And the eye for an eye thing is bull, If that where the case we would all be dead by the age of 10.

I posted to see YOUR opinions if i havent made that clear enough the last 40 times i said that.

And "an eye for an eye leaves the world blind" is an old saying. (which makes perfect sense by the way) u just made yourself look very foolish saying that.

[Jesda]

[King Ranzo]

LOLWUTSGRAMMER

[95zenki man]

Sounds like you got it all worked out then...so why are you asking us about it if you know everything about it?

And the eye for an eye thing is bull, If that where the case we would all be dead by the age of 10.

I posted to see YOUR opinions if i havent made that clear enough the last 40 times i said that.

And "an eye for an eye leaves the world blind" is an old saying. (which makes perfect sense by the way) u just made yourself look very foolish saying that.

23 times not 40...

"an eye for an eye"
exp: Punishment in which an offender suffers what the victim has suffered.

And i didn't make myself look foolish, An eye for an eye would mean every time YOU did something wrong someone would take something from you. Ever take a candy bar when you were little? say goodbye to your hand...ever looked at a really hot chick and get a bad thought? yup there cutting your eye out for that one. i could come up with examples as to why eye for an eye wouldn't work all day long. You cant say well no it doesn't work like that, If your saying its okay to do this to all the big company out there well it sure as hell should be fine to do to all the little people to.

I don't care if its just an old saying it makes no sense. thats why we don't see it being used in every day life. we would all be walking around with no hands, feet, and are pee pees would be cut off... idk about you but i like my pee pee

I really cant take one word your saying for real for all we know your some 14 year old.

[LightEmUp]

An eye for an eye ACTUALLY means that by doing harm to anyone who has harmed you, Neither party benefits from this, it makes complete sense to anyone with half a brain, Probably why people have been saying it for hundreds of years? I dont care how old u think i am, By saying an age old saying that millions of people are familiar with "makes no sense" u look pretty dumb.


IE: if the church of scientology has somehow wronged ANON, then ANON does wrong to them, neither party gets any positive results. Makes complete sense man.

It does NOT mean ur gonna die by the age of 10, if it did i suggest you enjoy your remaining year before u turn 10.

PS: i cant believe u wasted your time counting to tell me it was 23 times not 40 HAHAHAHA. It was obviously not a literal statement. Fine dont take what i say "for real" i really dont give 2 s***.


MODS if ur still creeping this, just delete it please, i got a few good responses but for the most part all im doing is getting griefed by kids with nothing better to do than argue.

[95zenki man]

An eye for an eye ACTUALLY means that by doing harm to anyone who has harmed you, Neither party benefits from this, it makes complete sense to anyone with half a brain, Probably why people have been saying it for hundreds of years? I dont care how old u think i am, By saying an age old saying that millions of people are familiar with "makes no sense" u look pretty dumb.


IE: if the church of scientology has somehow wronged ANON, then ANON does wrong to them, neither party gets any positive results. Makes complete sense man.

It does NOT mean ur gonna die by the age of 10, if it did i suggest you enjoy your remaining year before u turn 10.

PS: i cant believe u wasted your time counting to tell me it was 23 times not 40 HAHAHAHA. It was obviously not a literal statement. Fine dont take what i say "for real" i really dont give 2 s***.

MODS if ur still creeping this, just delete it please, i got a few good responses but for the most part all im doing is getting griefed by kids with nothing better to do than argue.

If you don't give 2 s*** why are you asking all these questions and defending yourself?

Im not wasting any of my time by the way, just sitting in the waiting room of the hospital waiting for my girl to get done with her checkup.

lets just say the church of scientology puts out a statement saying there is no god and the world is coming to an end so they cut funding to stupid crap that no one cares about in the first place. What are your little e-thugs gonna do about it? flame them and shut down there website saying they lie and cheat and are good for nothing?

Is it there place to do that? No, Should they be doing it? No.

i don't think you understand when your getting trolled. look it up and take a life lesson, Take everything you read on the interwebs with a grain of salt. even more so when you see my name come up.

[LightEmUp]

Its grain assault not grain of salt haha. ( salt is not a grain )

I know what trolling is and im aware your just trying to get under my skin, but that doesnt work with me so ill continue to correct you.

I dont care about YOUR opinion of ME and my views, I do care about the responses ( quality ones ) or i would not of made this thread.

What are the ethugs gonna do? Nothing, thats not the reason they attacked the church in the first place. Who knows maybe they would shut down sites anyway because of the stupid statements the church made, never really know. And u say shutting down a site for a week does nothing????

Playstation says they didnt care it happened and it did not have any effect on them.. s***

I had no PSN for a month atleast, im sure they lost tons of gamers, not to mention millions in online sales over the course of that month. Not to mention the 20+ techs they had working round the clock to get it back up. Yeah that never did ANYTHING at all. And the ONLY reason that ended so fast was because ANON knew that they were just hurting the games so they stopped attacking and even made an appology to gamers.

The BOA "evidence"... . Anyone could have fabricated that. But knowing how CEO's of high up companies roll i believe it was real. Not to mention all the other big bank and insurance scams going on around that time. Too bad you cant prove it.

Chanology: Yeah right they didnt care! Their religion was slandered and stepped on for well over a month, hundreds of thousands of phone callsl, millions of emails crashing servers and shutting down sites for weeks on end.

Just because these big companies SAY that they werent hurt by ANON does not mean its true.

How would it look for playstation if they said "yeah we had a s*** security system that allowed these "kids" to hack our network and disrupt service all over the world. We lost alot of subscribers and really took a hit on the PS store sales...

They would look like fools, of course there gonna say that the attacks did nothing.

[95zenki man]

I got about 1/6 of the way down before i got sick of reading your s***.

What gives these Anons aka ethugs the right to do any of this?

What if they hacked into ur stuff and posted all over the place for everyone to see?


I just think its funny that you stick up for these guys and in the long run all they are doing is hurting everyone but themself. so them hacking into psn was ok to do just because they could? yeah right...


oh and shut the f*** up its grain of salt.


a grain of salt, in modern English, is an idiom which means to view something with skepticism, or to not take it literally.[1] It derives from the Latin phrase, (cum) grano salis

[LightEmUp]

DOOD THAT SAYING MAKES NO SENSE

[95zenki man]

Well this is america. we do what we want.

[LightEmUp]

Apparently hahaha. look where it got you guys. FAIL

[95zenki man]

I seem to be doing pretty well.

[LightEmUp]

You may be doing well for yourself as most of us on these forums are (nissans aint cheap son)

However your country is going to fail you as a whole. I give it 10 years and if something drastic isnt done to the US economy, it WILL fail!!!
When your economy collapses on itself, you will lose the privilege of having the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency. When this happens, your US dollars are now worth somewere what the Iranian rial is trading for at the moment. (1 US Dollar = 10'134.3 Iranian Rial ) OK maybe not that bad but i wanna get my point across, your millions will become thousands, your thousands become hundreds. Welcome to poverty.

ALSO MY OWN OPINION OF THE CURRENT ECONOMIC CRISIS, YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS, THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE>

AND PS, this isnt an attack on US citizens or anyone reading this. It will affect me almost as much as you all. (except my money is tied up and safe in foreign countries) *hint*hint*

[Jesda]

Post some pictures of your Altima.

[LightEmUp]

kind of off topic dont you think? Are you insinuating that i do not own an altima and you want proof that i also "do well for myself"?? I'm not one to brag, or even discuss my finances.

[Bubba1]

However your country is going to fail you as a whole.

You hint that you're not a US citizen. Just curious, where are you from?

[LightEmUp]

I am currently living in Calgary Ab Canada, for another 6 long cold winter months while i finish a project. I reside from Europe though and will be heading back when finished.