altima coupe, the "poorman G35"?

[nismofool]

ok, well i've heard comments of the altima coupe being seen as the "poorman G35", and well i was just wondering what comments would be said, and what your stand on the nickname for the car is.

personally i disagree, and only people i've really heard this come from are either really cocky g35 drivers, or people with crappy hondas (no offense to anyone if it applies to anyone). i can sorta see where their coming from, but i still disagree. first off i dont believe you can compare the g35 and a/c, reason being two different drive trains, same company but two different branches, and the g35 is more luxury than the a/c. yea yea same coupes etc, but i dont believe the a/c was made in order to look like a lower end g35 for consumers to buy at a cheaper price.

my friend who drives a old school crx, told me i have a poorman G, and personally i just told him, you cant say SH*T till you drive something better than what you already have, and if you dont have a G yourself, then dont say something stupid like that.

Thoughts anyone? i'm curious to know what you guys think

[generic808]

This topic was already covered on another long thread. Can't seem to find it though, but it was a long one with a lot of responses. Maybe Tyler remembers and can pull it up.

[windhaven]

My 2-cents:

I like the name/tag. The fact is that, IMHO, the G isn't worth the extra 10k+. I'm not going to spend that much to get the A/C competitive with the G. Plus, the props on the street are better with the A/C than the G, which you can see everywhere.

As for the G drivers (the cocky ones at least), the Honda Coupers, and the ricers; The statement is simple, they can have their opinion, but they're still either envious or insecure.

I'd suggest all take some pride in being thrifty, a little mechanical, and hands on. Ignore the rest.

[Serkle K]

zerothread/283427

just tell your friend to be like you, and be more original when trying to bash your choice of car...

and try searching next time

[bembol]

The title of the link you posted has nothing to do with OP's title, of course SEARCH is meaningless.

Anyways, I read this POOR MAN'S thing on ClubRSX. I didn't respond to that thread/can't be bothered. I did start my own for pics. "My Poor Man's G. Make That Two." thread.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

. first off i dont believe you can compare the g35 and a/c, reason being two different drive trains,

That is not really true - Nissan has a common platform with the 3.5 engine which is used in the Altima, 350Z, Maxima, Quest Minivan, Infiniti FX35, G35. Biggest difference with the particular application is that the Nissan Altimas are FWD and the Infinitis are RWD. Although as others have siad this discussion has been beat to death.

"Poor Man's G35"

My view on this - is that it is a compliment. Unless the term is used in a context like; "The Altima Coupe is no Poor Man's G35" - this was in a car review magazine - this particular author was complaining of shortcomings of the Altima.

The term means getting much of the value of the up market product but at a lower price point.

As for arrogant, insecure G owners - I'm neither - its just that on this particular forum there is strong denial of the relationship of the 2 cars. It seems like there are many Altima Coupe owners that act like this. Altima Coupe owners act like they don't even want you to compare the Altima Coupe to the Altima Sedan

They don't see why you would obviously compare the two coupes.Both cars share common platform - the G along with its 2 seater sister Z are Nissan's established entries in the sport/sporty coupe segment. So naturally Nissan would have to make the Altima Coupe in such a way that it builds on the established Nissan entries without completely mimicking them.

For me, and for many other prosepective car owners - the comparison becomes really interesting when you factor in the availability of used Gs versus the premium hot new car pricing of the Altima Coupe.

I got a creampuff used G for a good price. 30K is a lot of money to spend on a car - for this reason the Altima Coupe and any other 30k new car may be compared against a premium used car in the same price range examples -BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes etc.

[shift_mikey]

Poor man's G?

hardly. That would be similiar to calling the G, the "de tuned Z"

Cali, nissan and infinity may use the 3.5 power plant in several vehicles, and thats exactly why you can't say they have it in common. Lets call the quest, the soccer mom with 4 kid's G.

2 different drive trains? You bet. You can't even really say they are based on the same engine because one has more factory horsepower then the other. They are 2 different brand cars, and 2 different styles. Its not like when GM and CHEVY made the "Jimmy" and the "Blazer". Same truck, different badges.

I don't believe the cars are any more comparable then the 6cyl eclipse or G6. Its just another competitor

[Serkle K]

The title of the link you posted has nothing to do with OP's title, of course SEARCH is meaningless.

Anyways, I read this POOR MAN'S thing on ClubRSX. I didn't respond to that thread/can't be bothered. I did start my own for pics. "My Poor Man's G. Make That Two." thread.

The title of the thread may not, but the content does... there is a "quick discussion" of how and/or why people have dubbed the A/C a "Poor man's G"...

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm not a rich man, so I'll take what I can get (especially when I do get my A/C) ... even if it is, "A Poor Man's G"

[generic808]

I can't believe you guys are actually starting this topic up again!

[nismofool]

i'm sorry for some of the troubles i have caused, i browsed the first few pages of the forum, and didnt see it, so i made a new thread w/o knowing there was one previously made. anyhow, thanks to everyone for their input.

[generic808]

i'm sorry for some of the troubles i have caused, i browsed the first few pages of the forum, and didnt see it, so i made a new thread w/o knowing there was one previously made. anyhow, thanks to everyone for their input.

haha no need to be sorry! It's just that I find it pretty silly that people are arguing over what others in the media have called the Altima. Like the name, poor man's G35 or not, who cares? All the cars, G35, ACoupe, ASedan, etc are all in the Nissan family so can't we all just get along?

[SHIFT_2.5S]

It is what you make of it. You shouldn't even care about the name as long as you know what your car is and you respect it for that. Be strong, man!

[pdrumans]

Well it is true that the A/C does start with a lower base price, paying $30k for a car is not cheap or poor.

[windhaven]

Hey Cali,

All reasonable points ..... but, i'm not so sure that anybody here is in denial about heritage, close association, etc. between the A/C and the G.

But, since the price tag can get to the thirties, maybe we should call it:

"The Middle-Income-Man's G"

[Cali 2 Balti G]

Poor man's G?

hardly. That would be similiar to calling the G, the "de tuned Z"

Cali, nissan and infinity may use the 3.5 power plant in several vehicles, and thats exactly why you can't say they have it in common. Lets call the quest, the soccer mom with 4 kid's G.

2 different drive trains? You bet. You can't even really say they are based on the same engine because one has more factory horsepower then the other. They are 2 different brand cars, and 2 different styles. Its not like when GM and CHEVY made the "Jimmy" and the "Blazer". Same truck, different badges.

I don't believe the cars are any more comparable then the 6cyl eclipse or G6. Its just another competitor

Windhaven - see quote above.

Denial is not a river in Africa.

ShiftMikeyThe G35 - CAN BE considered a detuned Z - if you don't realize this - then I see why the whole conversation doesn't make sense to you. Regardless of brand we are talking about the same parent company's product that is on the same basic platform.

The G is basically a Z with a back seat, slightly less power (at least in the earlier year Gs), slightly softer suspension tuning - otherwise these two cars are close sisters sharing the same VQ platform and drivetrain. Also realize that the prior generation 300Z had a longer 4 seat variation. The Infiniti "brand" had not been created yet.

I may one day get a vanity tag that says Bigger Z, G NOT Z, NO Z G or something like that.

If you don't understand that the engines (The much heralded Nissan VQ) are the same then - I don't know what to tell you.

Also for the record - many non G owning auto editors use the term in question.

I got a suggestion for a new term.

Altima Coupe - The Rich Man's Datsun 210

Seriously - As I said on the other thread - I've also seen the G35 called the Poor man's BMW - again this is a compliment because the BMW 3 series is the benchmark in the entry level premium sporty car segment. I have no problem with this reference.

I predict you may also see the Infinti G35 called the "Poor Man's GTR". Not that big of a stretch if you know the history of the Nissan Skyline GTR and the fact that the current aftermarket allows one to achieve 400hp and more out of the VQ.

Modified by Cali 2 Balti G at 7:38 AM 10/22/2007
Modified by Cali 2 Balti G at 7:42 AM 10/22/2007

[windhaven]

Cali, OK, not sure if we're arguing or not. BTW - Didn't see ShiftMikey's post, Cali=1 ShiftMikey=0...... denial.



Like i've said before, I like the tag, so at least we agree on that.

[kidatheart]

I have both, a 07G35 (although it is the sedan) and an 08 Altima Coupe. I bought the Altima coupe for my son. I would not call the Altima a poor mans anything. When I was looking to buy him a car I looked at the G coupe but it was more about him being too young to be driving a new Infiniti Coupe, just didn't seem right. It was just like I felt too young to drive a Cadilac (I don't think I will ever feel old enough for that - no offense for any of you who drive a Cadi). I think that you have to evaluate a car for who is going to be driving it and what they want out of it. If it happens to look like another car or share the same parts or characteristics then so be it. If you are happy with the decision you make then it is the right decision for you. For my son, the Altima Coupe was the perfect car for him and he couldn't be any happier (well he could but I wouldn't get him a Ferrari).

[shift_mikey]

The G is basically a Z with a back seat, slightly less power (at least in the earlier year Gs), slightly softer suspension tuning - otherwise these two cars are close sisters sharing the same VQ platform and drivetrain. Also realize that the prior generation 300Z had a longer 4 seat variation. The Infiniti "brand" had not been created yet.

Perhaps we need a clear definition of what you'd consider a platform. I would not consider a 2 seater and 4 seater to be the same "platform."

I do not consider a FWD and RWD car to be on the same "platform."

So they use the same engine. So does the mini van, whats your point?

Different chassis, Different bodies, Different transmissions, same engine.

We can classify all cars released by a manufacturer, with the same engine, to be on the same platform?

I understand the statement "poor man's G". Am i offended by it? I think when used by G35 owners, its their way of saying "My car is better then yours".

EDIT: As a side note, I think the G35 is a beautiful car. Cali, i think your car looks great and i like it a lot! I'm not arguing that the A/C or G35 is better. If i had more money, i know my choice would remain the same.

[SHIFT_2.5S]

Perhaps we need a clear definition of what you'd consider a platform. I would not consider a 2 seater and 4 seater to be the same "platform."

I do not consider a FWD and RWD car to be on the same "platform."

So they use the same engine. So does the mini van, whats your point?

Different chassis, Different bodies, Different transmissions, same engine.

We can classify all cars released by a manufacturer, with the same engine, to be on the same platform?

I understand the statement "poor man's G". Am i offended by it? I think when used by G35 owners, its their way of saying "My car is better then yours".

EDIT: As a side note, I think the G35 is a beautiful car. Cali, i think your car looks great and i like it a lot! I'm not arguing that the A/C or G35 is better. If i had more money, i know my choice would remain the same.

Greatest response ever! This response should be made into a sticky and all other "poor man's G" , "Altima vs G35" , etc threads should be locked and redirected to this message. Great job mikey...well said.

[windhaven]

I vote Sticky also.....

[shift_mikey]

I vote Sticky also.....

Change of heart windhaven? LOL its cool

Sticky? i've never had sticky-worthy material before!! LOL you guys are too much.

to the Altima Coupe and G35 crew!!

[Cali 2 Balti G]

Perhaps we need a clear definition of what you'd consider a platform. I would not consider a 2 seater and 4 seater to be the same "platform."

I do not consider a FWD and RWD car to be on the same "platform."

So they use the same engine. So does the mini van, whats your point?

Different chassis, Different bodies, Different transmissions, same engine.

We can classify all cars released by a manufacturer, with the same engine, to be on the same platform?

I understand the statement "poor man's G". Am i offended by it? I think when used by G35 owners, its their way of saying "My car is better then yours".

EDIT: As a side note, I think the G35 is a beautiful car. Cali, i think your car looks great and i like it a lot! I'm not arguing that the A/C or G35 is better. If i had more money, i know my choice would remain the same.

I think it goes beyond the common engine.

Nissan does have a technical distinction between the rear and front drive versions of the platform. FM is Front Mid Ship Rear Drive and FF is Front Wheel Drive. The FF Platform DOES include the Minivan as well as the Altima, Maxima and Murano crossover SUV. Either way when you buy into this platform you expect a relatively sporty ride and eager V6 engine.

In this era of global cars - common platforms are used to underpin a variety of semingly different vehicles often with significantly different prices. Nissan positions the FM platform above the FF platform. This is a fact Hate Nissan. This is why FM rear drive platform in its premium version is the basis for the new GTR.

Thank Nissan for giving you a great new FWD entry - don't get mad at its position in the Nissan (Infiniti) Line-up.

Thanks for the compliments on my car.

I think we are due for a G/Altima Coupe photo shoot. Any takers in the Baltimore area. I would suggest having some rims on your AC - I don't want to make yall look too bad

[shift_mikey]

I'll swing through on thanksgiving on my way to NC, You can own me on rims, i don't plan on modding for awhile. LOL

[windhaven]

Change of heart windhaven? LOL its cool

Sticky? i've never had sticky-worthy material before!! LOL you guys are too much.

to the Altima Coupe and G35 crew!!

Just saw the good points and the bad, sometimes we can have both .... no flames intended Mikey....

[Wiisan]

What are you guys complaining about. Here in Canada, we pay as much or more for a new G35/G37 than you do for a new Porsche Cayman/Cayman S.