Allright, I'm stating this right now...

[Sircnay]

I hate, I mean I HATE the big hype with the SRT4. My friend just told me that some guy on the honda tech forum just got 415whp with only an upgraded turbo.

I"m thinking, that's a crap load of money, apparently it's a ball-bearing turbo from garret, and the only turbo I can think of that they have that would make that kind of HP would be like a GT30RS or something. So what, some kid has a bunch of his parent's money and blows it on a turbo and makes 415whp on one dyno run? WOO HOO! Good job on giving your motor a car's equivalent of a heart-attack.

Jesus, yes, the car is a cheap boosted car. I respect it for that. But Dodge has never been the best at reliability. And these cars are just bombs waiting to explode in the hands of ignorant tuners who throw on big turbos thinking they'll make crazy power and not realize that it's not the size of the turbo that matters, but the efficiency of the system they have! It's not just the Neon that I'm mad at, it's all the people who are trying to boost their cars without learning anything about fuel management and thermal efficiency.

Before I messed with getting a turbo I went to the library and picked up a used thermal engineering book from the local college and learned a lot about turbines and compressors. Yes I'm not a genius, but I at least know what's going on down there in case something happens. Ugh, friends don't let friend try to boost their cars unless they really know what they're doing.

[Hijacker]

Granted, I'm not about to go out and buy an SRT-4, but I do have to admit that Chrysler was able to build a good engine for the SRT-4. The internals are strong, the oil pump is well designed, and Chrysler owns a good percentage in Mitsubishi, which is well known for producing good turbo designs. If you look at the stock exhaust mani on an SRT-4, you'll see Mitsu's logo on there.

Yes, I do agree that not everyone bothers to learn about cars before they turn a wrench. I've read books dedicated to automobile applications of turbochargers, and have a fairly good working knowledge of what a properly tuned turbo engine should be. Not everyone does that, and it saddens me to see someone slap a GT25R onto a stock econobox and expect to be able to push 10 PSI with no issues.

With some of the research that went into the SRT-4 and the money that was invested, I don't feel that the car's as much of a time-bomb as you think. Any car that's not properly tuned can become a time bomb, so I don't see a reason to point the SRT-4 out as a unique individual.

[Mayhem_J30]

You hate the hype or you are just jealous? What's the big deal. To hate the fact that people are getting outstanding results is just pure envy.And why does it have to be "some kid with a bunch of his parents money"?Quote »And these cars are just bombs waiting to explode in the hands of ignorant tuners who throw on big turbos thinking they'll make crazy power and not realize that it's not the size of the turbo that matters, but the efficiency of the system they have! [/quote] Uh-huh and then....? :rolleyes This can happen with any car...even a 240

BUT, I must applaud you for reading up on some thermal dynamics and learning yourself before doing something. Thermal was always one of my favorites. 2nd to Modern Physics that is. :ylsuper

[Cold_Zero]

I hate people who hate the people hate certain people. That didnt make sense.

415whp in a SRT-4? I would love to study that as a reliablity case study.

[Onizuka]

If it can be done with a SR20 im sure it can be done just as easy on a motor thats a decade newer in age and design that comes stock with forged internals. I'm not biased and I would certainly rock a SRT-4 for a daily driver if i was in the market for a new cheap arse car. Granted I would prefer something with AWD but I dont know if I would be willing to spend the extra 7-10 grand for it.

[spec-v5150]

I participated on that thread over at honda tech. How can you NOT respect a lowly neon getting 400 fwhp on stock internals???? I think everyone hating on the SRT4 is kinda lame and getting old. If I were about to buy a new car, that would be at the top of my list. Sure it is just a neon...says the people who drive civics and 240sx.....:rolleyes

http://www.honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

[stillmatic]

Maybe it's just me but I would take a brand new 04 SRT-4 over an SR powered 240sx. It's just something about owning a brand new car... Of course, I wouldn't own it for more than 4 years. I'll get rid of it as soon as the warranty expires.

[lessthanjakejohn]

Good car, the hype will promote more competition which will in turn lead to faster cars. If this one breaks and that is the number one concern, then next model put out by whatever company won't "break.."

Having this car is good for the sport compact market.

[BuudWeizErr]

if $car = FWDthen $car = crapfi

[MaineExport]

if $car = FWDthen $car = crapfi

Funny stuff!!!

[GEO]

lol

[Sircnay]

My rant was started by the 400whp neon. It's not about the neon itself. Moreso it's about all the stupid "tuners" out there. I probably should have read the thread before spouting things. But my first impression was with all the big threads that get thrown over all the other boards. "PERSON X MADE X AMOUNT OF HP WITH NO NAWWWS! CHECK IT OUT!"

It's not jealousy, it's like 15 years older than my car, it better damn well be performing much better than my car. I don't hate on the SRT-4. It's just I think it was a bad idea to put a turbocharged car into the hands of the ignorant public at such a low price. It'll sell well and all, but there are more people who will just throw a big GT30RS onto a car with a compression ratio of like 10:1, with injector size of 270cc and run like 10psi and say "Yeah, it's reliable." and then ***** about it 3 months later when their head gasket blows off and cuts through the firewall and sears their passenger's legs. Well... maybe that won't happen, but the head gasket blowing isn't a fictional thing. Turbos are the "new" thing. Everyone is "going turbo" and this... this is what is scaring me. Can you imagine driving down the road when the integra next to you blows a gasket and smoke starts pouring into the ****pit and the windows are rolled up... and it's on the highway?! So many people are "going turbo" now and have no freaking clue as to what the hell they're doing!

[Onizuka]

a SRT-4 is no more dangerous than the new 270hp accura. If someone wants to be stupid and not do the research before they buy new parts for their car, its fine with me. Its not going to be my car sitting on the side of the road on fire. There are plent of stupid people with turbo 240's, you just cant let that bother you. Turbos arent the "new" thing either, car junkies have been playing around with turbo cars since the 80's, nothin new.

Being smart isnt a requirment for turbo ownership, only money (unfortunatly).

[Sircnay]

Well by the "new" thing, I mean it's the "new" ricer thing. I know plenty of people who BS me telling me about their "Twin Turbo Preludes" and their "Stock b16 running TD06SH at only 7 psi because they worry about about compression issues."

I'm surprised they can even tell me the compressor names.