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Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:09 pm
Quote »"Here is the thread where Night tried to "Call Out Unstable Hybrids". See for yourself. For the person who claimed that it didn't go over well just because the people on that site love us, you know that is wrong. Everybody is backing him up until we show up at the bottom of the 2nd page and respond to everything he said.
This in my opinion is bringing up the past. [/quote]Except that was on page 4...and it was brought up by ItzGenX on page 2! I repeat, I didn't bring it up!
Quote »Well, I learned a lot about RB engines and the swap in general the past couple days from a guy on another forum. I stumbled upon the forum because he was calling out unstable about their pricing and lies on their FAQs(unstable corrected most or defended as opinion). Anyway, it was on 240sxforums.com. He got bashed to hell because the forum over there loves unstable. [/quote]I had to disagree with his summary of the events...what happened as far as I could tell was that everyone believed you and bashed unstable, then when I got on there and explained everywhere where you misquoted us or passed on incorrect information (like saying that the Skyline radiator wouldn't fit without cutting the hood...and that we were lying about using it), they started to turn toward us. I'd hardly say that the people on that forum loved us before that thread...since I was not a member there nor had I posted there. Which makes me wonder...why does this keep coming up on the forums that I don't participate in? Why didn't you ever try to a) challenge us face to face, on a forum that you knew I read or b) try to actually contact us to sort out the discrepancies in information we had (discrepancies between our info and yours). When you did contact us, it was after you posted on the internet all your misquotes and misinformation, and you wouldn't even tell us your name!
Quote »Jason and I are cool with each other and I've dropped the whole deal since that thread. I didn't bring it back up, nor post the link. I have remained out of the "bashing" thing when it comes to forums. Also, no one is saying bad things about YOU. You know as well as I do that you are hardly a part of Unstable. You've got too much else going on in your life to be there often enough. People are talking about Unstable, not you.[/quote]Jason and you are NOT cool. When I wrote the previous response, I was at the shop with Jason over my shoulder. He feels as I feel...that you have been most unprofessional and that you have spread more misinformation than useful information.
Why does my actual time commitment to unStable matter? I never said I worked full time on cars out at unStable, in fact I tell people...I answer tech emails, update the website, do advertising, etc. I am very definitely a part of unStable. I have chosen to work with Jason for many reasons, so if people are talking about the shop, they ARE talking about me.
Quote »Sorry for the misunderstanding on my behalf. You have built 2 intake manifolds, one out of a straight pipe and bondo, and the other out of some other combo. Mike has built a nice looking manifold for his engine....that has yet to come back to him yet and it's been sitting at the shop for 9 months.
Jason did design the manifold....he's a bright guy when it comes to designing things, never said he wasn't.[/quote]The first manifold was a prototype...not meant to be the nicest looking thing. The 2nd is on our website, built exactly like Mike's...it is just the one he copied. I repeat, all engineering, in both design AND ASSEMBLY, was done at UH. In other words...we told Mike exactly how to make them. Mike is not a paying customer...he has done work on a labor trade...and as such, his car has not been the 1st priority since we need to do paid swaps just to keep the business alive. The car and engine have not been sitting that long at all.
Quote »So what does your install price include? Mine includes labor. Total cost of an install from me is $1450 which includes all wiring, fluids, filters, an install. Then you tach on another $3250 for a clip. Viola, you're still under 5k.[/quote]From our website:
Note: ALL SWAP PRICES ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL! Our swaps include many things that other companies don't. We clean and paint all engines we install. We clean the engine bays of your car (and offer to mask and paint for an additional charge). We remove the valve covers for painting, and while they are off, inspect the top of the motor. We also remove oil pans and inspect them, modifying if necessary. This can mean the difference between a spun bearing due to lack of oil pressure on an S13 SR and a healthy motor! Many SR motors come with dented oil pans near the oil pickup, and this has caused many people's engines premature, catastrophic failure. We avoid that hassle altogether. While our RB pricing currently doesn't include custom mounts or intake manifold, it does include the labor required to install them. We also try to take great care in wiring, soldering all of our wire splices, routing wiring out of the way in flex loom or electrical tape, etc.
I don't know what offhand you do on that list...but we also prime the oil pumps to make sure the engine starts off without oil problems.
Quote »I've spoken to many members who have received misleading or bad information from Unstable. I won't quote anyone or their names for their own sake as they wish to remain neutral. Needless to say, I corrected whatever they were confused about and 80% of them just ordered clips.[/quote]Well...I can't speak intelligently about the situation if I don't know what they were told or why. Perhaps they misunderstood what we were saying. Perhaps we had a reason for doing things differently from how you do them...but they didn't ask why.
Quote »There is one member on 240SXforums.com who you took a long time to deal with. He is very unhappy with the service and came to me with questions in confidence. Per his request, I shall not say names because he is pending legalities.[/quote]Well, I'm not exactly sure who you are talking about, but I can tell a story about a customer. We have had a customer who was originally told that, "Due to the impending shipping strike, this clip could take 90 days or more." After 110 days, that person was not remotely understanding to the fact that we didn't have any control over it. Many other motorset options were given to that customer, none of which were satisfactory, until we finally located an SR clip we could offer. That customer was also moved ahead of others for potential install.
Part of the problem is...you only get one side of a story and you take it as fact. That is why many of the things you have said about us are just plain incorrect.
Quote »From what Mattback (who seems to be backing you) said on tamparacing.com, she ordered the pump through Motorex which took 3 months to arrive.[/quote]Just because he backs us doesn't mean he speaks for us. That water pump was purchased and installed by unStable Hybrids, on site in Florida, for no charge. It also didn't take 3 months. I am not sure when the water pump went out offhand...but the car was running perfectly at Nopi in September...and the water pump was changed in December. That is only 3 months...and the water pump was fine at Nopi. Once again, your information is incorrect.
Quote »Dennis - you really aren't my competition.[/quote]You are the one who said we were! You aren't really our competition because you don't really have the ability to do any custom fabrication work. That is the difference in my opinion. Besides, we have only been professional on message boards and you have been anything but.
Quote »Not just this, but I also have extensive aftermarket support for these engines from both Australia and Japan.[/quote]Uh...and? So do we. You keep bringing up examples of things that we waited on rather than getting shipped quickly. We can get things shipped quickly. That option is offered to our customers, but most don't want to pay the higher costs! We offer up the cheap way and the quick way...and most take the cheap way. We have ordered parts and had them in stock within a week before...and we can do that on a regular basis if the customer wants to pay the premium charged to us.
I want to explain further why we use mounts with our swaps. The only RB swap we have had experience with so far is the RB20DET into S13 swap. I stand by the idea that this swap requires mounts, and for the following reasons (from our website).
From what we have seen, the R32 crossmembers do bolt in to S13s. We don't like doing this with our installs for many reasons.
1) Most importantly, with the R32 crossmember, the front sway bar doesn't fit without serious modifications to the oil pan. This (driving without a sway bar) is a safety concern to us, and safety of our customers is very important.
2) Placement of the engine with the stock crossmember puts the motor too far forward and too high. With the stock crossmember and intake manifold, the hood has to be modified and it is impossible to fit a front strut tower bar. The placement of the engine also makes it difficult to fit a set of fans on the back of the radiator for proper cooling, although a single fan can probably provide the needed cooling capacity. The shifter also sits too far forward.
3) With the stock intake manifold, like we said before, the hood needs to be cut and a strut tower bar doesn't fit. Also, intercooler piping routing is definitely not optimal with a front mount intercooler.
As far as S14s go, we have heard that the R33 crossmember bolts in, but we don't have personal experience so far with how that places the engine. We should know more by the end of March, 2003. Of course, this leaves out the option of using an RB20DET in an S14, since the RB20DET wasn't available in R33s, only R31s and R32s.
It also only gives the option of R32 RB25DETs into an S13. With our mounts, we can make any engine work in any car. Want an RB26DETT in an S12 200SX? We can do that! Want an AWD conversion? We can do that.
Thank you,
Dennis KalmanunStable Hybrids