alarm system.

[REZN]

im not trying to go over 300 dollars though. i cant say my neighborhood is the best. i didnt really focus on an alarm where i use to live. but now my cars looking nicer and as i said.. new neighborhood isnt great.so im looking for an alarm system that wouldnt fail me.any ideas? or opinions?

[miamiheat3332]

perhaps wheel locks should be first? dont know how reliable or theft proof they are anymore.

[Pwnin O'Brien]

Yeah, I think every system will fail you. Nobody really pays very much attention to alarm systems going off at 2am anymore, especially in FL where there's an alarm going off every five minutes (born and raised in Winter Park, Orlando).

Also, for a really effective alarm system, you need a lot of external modules (glass breakage sensor, interior proximity sensor, tilt sensor, etc.) and those add up real quick.

Probably anything you find will only have a built-in knock sensor, so if somebody bangs on the sheet metal it will go off.

[miamiheat3332]

yeah pwnin is definitely right 300$ would be no go for that, but you could put like 2 webcams in there and then set up motion sensing so it records when it sees motion, hide a laptop under a seat and see if theres any punks lurking around your car at night

oo and if you park close to your house, connect the laptop to your wireless router if you have one, then use http://www.logmein.com as a VNC, and then you can monitor the cameras from another computer inside your house.

[REZN]

what if im asleep?and the break into the car and since instead of buying an alarm i bought high tech stuff they wouldnt have a problem getting in and i wouldnt know or hear ittherefore they take the caralong with my laptop and cams......lolso then i get to watch videos of people stealing my car so i can cry about it over and over as i replay it. loli got wheel locks btw. a unique key so that helps.. i still feel its evitable.but idk... i mean i park in my driveway.. right in front of my house. so if i hear alarm go off im 20 feet away from the car.i was thinking about parking in my fenced backyard but it wud be so much work opening a gate every day and night.

[Pwnin O'Brien]

I found that one of the cheapest and best ways to make sure your vehicle is secure is a set of really bright flood lights which are motion activated which are aimed directly at your driveway. As soon as those things come on, anybody trying to take your stuff will definitely run (as long as your vehicle is parked in your driveway, otherwise it's pretty useless).

Besides that, mostly any car alarm will do the same job. Most of the brands by DEI will work great. You just need a system which can monitor the door pins and have a knock sensor. I recommend getting a system with remote start.

I have the Viper 5901 and I love it. The alarm works well, the remote start is amazing. I like having the two-way remote so I know what going on with my car when I can't see it. It also has great range, I can start my car from inside a store and by the time I get in my car it's already cold/hot.

[REZN]

whats a two way?you said u can know whats going on even when u cant see the car?

[Qxxx4]

fyi your vehicle already has a basic alarm system, it detects if the hood is opened or if a door is unlocked without a key or if its locked, someone breaks the glass and uses their hand to hit unlock from inside...scared the hell out of me at first when i was detailing and forgot i locked it and had the window open and just pressed the switch inside..HONK HONK

other than that, get a 2 way alarm. Their pretty useless past 1000ft though. If someone really wants something theyll get it by any means possible. You can try to deter, or even have something that records a video of them, but really...what are you gonna do...pull out your gun and have a murder on your hands, or send the video to the cops so they can look among the 2million other scum in your city.

I think murders a good idea. we dont need people who steal car stereos on this earth. kill 'em all

[korbeano89]

im with Qxxx4 lol iv been thinkin of a viper alarm, how much was your pwnin? did you install your self?

[Densetsu]

Basic prevention is better than putting in an alarm.

Make sure there's no valuables in sight. Always take off your faceplate if you have one. Don't roll into the neighborhood with your subs blasting every day. Don't leave your GPS or satellite radio or whatever sitting in plain view. Take your digital camera and laptop inside. Invest in a $30 steering wheel lock. Keep your driveway well-lit.

Chances are, they're breaking into your vehicle to steal what's inside, not steal the vehicle itself (besides, the Pathy already has a system to prevent vehicle theft). If you don't give them any indication that there's valuables in your vehicle, then they'll pass you up and go on to the next vehicle.

You could skip all this 'prevention' stuff and invest in an alarm, but right there you're out at least $500. They'll smash your window, trip the alarm, quickly grab the most valuable items in sight, and run. Right there that's probably $300+ to replace the window and more to replace what they stole (GPS? Head unit? Satellite radio? Golf clubs?). The costs quickly go up. Just make it so breaking into your vehicle appears less appealing than breaking into the other vehicles in the neighborhood and you'll do fine.

[miamiheat3332]

Installing a remote start in your car is one of the stupidest things you can do if you're looking for security.

Yes we have an alarm, and then we have a theft immobilizer.

Theft immobilizer works by detecting the chip thats in your key. and if its not there, even if it has the exact same cut, it wont start.

Now installing a remote start, lets say you have 2 keys that came with your car, so in order to make the remote start work, you have to buy a 3rd key, and program it into the ECU, and hide it somewhere close to the ignition, either somewhere behind the dash etc.

Now when you click the remote start on your remote it will start, otherwise it wouldn't because it needs to detect that chip in your key, which is why you programmed a 3rd one and hid it close to the ignition.

Now pretty much, the theft immobilizer system is useless, since yeah we still have an alarm, but you get in there, hot wire it, or use a dent puller and turn the ignition it will start no problemo cause the thief doesn't need to have a key with the chip cause theres already one somewhere close to the ignition.

so all in all, alarm can go off, but people still pull crazy stuff and they can actually still DRIVE OFF with your car while you run,scream, get your gun or whatever lol.
Modified by miamiheat3332 at 7:15 PM 9/3/2009

[Empty V]

Installing a remote start in your car is one of the stupidest things you can do if you're looking for security.

Yes we have an alarm, and then we have a theft immobilizer.

Theft immobilizer works by detecting the chip thats in your key. and if its not there, even if it has the exact same cut, it wont start.

Now installing a remote start, lets say you have 2 keys that came with your car, so in order to make the remote start work, you have to buy a 3rd key, and program it into the ECU, and hide it somewhere close to the ignition, either somewhere behind the dash etc.

Now when you click the remote start on your remote it will start, otherwise it wouldn't because it needs to detect that chip in your key, which is why you programmed a 3rd one and hid it close to the ignition.

Now pretty much, the theft immobilizer system is useless, since yeah we still have an alarm, but you get in there, hot wire it, or use a dent puller and turn the ignition it will start no problemo cause the thief doesn't need to have a key with the chip cause theres already one somewhere close to the ignition.

so all in all, alarm can go off, but people still pull crazy stuff and they can actually still DRIVE OFF with your car while you run,scream, get your gun or whatever lol.

Modified by miamiheat3332 at 7:15 PM 9/3/2009

Wrong wrong wrong, this is very poor information. No one leaves a key in their car, all remote start systems that I know of have a programming mode that alleviates you from doing that. So next time before you go off say something like "Installing a remote start in your car is one of the stupidest things you can do..." do some research.

Billy

[korbeano89]

im not really worried, the theft rate in my neighborhood is like 0 lol i think it would be cool to have a remote start though

[miamiheat3332]

Wrong wrong wrong, this is very poor information. No one leaves a key in their car, all remote start systems that I know of have a programming mode that alleviates you from doing that. So next time before you go off say something like "Installing a remote start in your car is one of the stupidest things you can do..." do some research.

Billy

it depends, alot of shops still do it this way, and remote start systems too. so dont go telling me im totally wrong, since alot of remote start systems were installed this way
Modified by miamiheat3332 at 7:45 PM 9/3/2009

[Empty V]

it depends, alot of shops still do it this way, and remote start systems too. so dont go telling me im totally wrong

Sorry, you can do it that way but if you do you're a complete retard. I don't know a single reputable shop that leaves a hidden cutoff. That is the WRONG way to do it. Ask them if they do that to their rides, I doubt any of them will say they do.

Billy

[WINNIPEGS_MOST_WANTED]

http://www.amazing1.com/shocki...s.htm

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/afric...r.car/

IMO it would be worth the lawsuit...

[Pwnin O'Brien]

it depends, alot of shops still do it this way, and remote start systems too. so dont go telling me im totally wrong, since alot of remote start systems were installed this way

This was the old way to do a bypass, but with the new Bypass Kits you don't need a key in the vehicle. I also still need the proper key transponder to start the vehicle. It's still 100% as safe as a vehicle without a remote starter (obviously it's more safe than a vehicle with the factory security system but you get what I'm saying).

[Pwnin O'Brien]

im with Qxxx4 lol iv been thinkin of a viper alarm, how much was your pwnin? did you install your self?

I got it for about $300 from an e-tailer (don't remember which) and I think you can get it now for much less than that. I did install it myself, it's pretty time consuming and somewhat taxing.

[REZN]

well lucky you. my bestfriend came home christmas morning to find his car on bricks.... bricks from his own backyard.my areas not great.. and its not like im going to be here forever but im also new here meaning the neighborhood doesnt know me and i doubt they have respect. if i would have like grown up here im sure i wouldnt even be worried.but yeah my car looks way too suspicious. like their are drugs all over the car.i have lights that turn on when theres movement around the driveway.so i guess im just going to buy an alarm to make me sleep better at night. lolany opinions on clifford alarms?

[Pwnin O'Brien]

well lucky you. my bestfriend came home christmas morning to find his car on bricks.... bricks from his own backyard.my areas not great.. and its not like im going to be here forever but im also new here meaning the neighborhood doesnt know me and i doubt they have respect. if i would have like grown up here im sure i wouldnt even be worried.but yeah my car looks way too suspicious. like their are drugs all over the car.i have lights that turn on when theres movement around the driveway.so i guess im just going to buy an alarm to make me sleep better at night. lolany opinions on clifford alarms?

You can get the Viper 5901 (DEI's best alarm/remote start system) for under $300 (I think you can get it for even less than $250). At that much, you can even get an external sensor and still keep it under $300.

[Densetsu]

Sorry, you can do it that way but if you do you're a complete retard. I don't know a single reputable shop that leaves a hidden cutoff. That is the WRONG way to do it. Ask them if they do that to their rides, I doubt any of them will say they do.

Billy

I had a remote starter installed on a '95 Chev Lumina, which had a primitive key code system. The key had a resistor in it, and the ignition module checked the resistance. Proper resistance? Let the car start. That's all there was to it.

All the shop did was splice a resistor into the ignition circuit, and voila. Bypassed the system. I wouldn't had even realized this except for a year later I started having issues starting the car, both with the key and the remote start. Eventually I checked under the dash and all the f***ers did was twist the resistor and wire together and cover it in electrical tape.

So I whipped out some terminal connectors, soldering iron, and some heat-shrink tubing and did it "properly". (In quotes because this is NOT the correct way to bypass the ignition for a remote start, of course.)

The kick in the balls is that the shop charged me an extra $75 for a module from GM that's supposed to let the remote starter bypass the ignition module while still checking the code if a key is used. No sign of that module anywhere. They charged me $75 for a resistor that costs a nickel.

I'm sure that this approach wouldn't work in newer immobilizers, but don't put it past shops to screw you in the a**.