aftermarket CVT fluid?

[jungleboogie]

i was at autobacs last weekend, partially to check out the sound-off, but while in the store i noticed that eneos came out with cvt transmission fluid. does anyone know if this is better as opposed to standard nissan cvt fluid? (product link below)

also, has anyone done a cvt flush yet?

http://www.eneos.us/products.php?pk=8

[SniperJoe]

At this point I'm not willing to make an expensive mistake and I don't think I'm willing to try any other CVT fluid as the manual states clearly that anything else will damage the CVT ... pasted below from the owners manual.

"-Use only Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-2. Do not mix with other fluids.

-Using transmission fluid other than Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-2 will damage the CVT, which is not covered by the NISSAN new vehicle limited warranty. "

[adidas2go]

I think its worth looking in to. I might try it with the turbo build.

If you look at the compatability chart, it specifically says its compatible with: Nissan Extronic CVT M6 CVT Fluid NS-2

[windex]

I think its worth looking in to. I might try it with the turbo build.

If you look at the compatability chart, it specifically says its compatible with: Nissan Extronic CVT M6 CVT Fluid NS-2

Agreed defiantly worth looking into.Time to do more reading i suppose.

[marlin29311]

Baaaaaaaaaaad idea - note the word "compatible." An Apple mouse is "compatible" with a PC, but it doesn't work the same....

The NS-2 fluid is a proprietary fluid for Nissan, covered by patents - aka someone else cannot replicate it exactly. By putting something else in, you don't know what you are going to get, not to mention you throw out any chance of getting it repaired in the future...

[jungleboogie]

so i assume, per everyone's responses, that a cvt flush has not been performed yet? also, what would you look for in a "good" transmission fluid? what i mean is, what factors determine that a transmission fluid is better than other average transmission fluids? For instance, in motor oils, i understand that one thing you would look at is the base number... high = longer time to turn acidic and vice versa. what about in transmission fluids? and does the same overall principle apply to cvt? maybe it takes longer to turn to a superheated condition? do we have any MEs that might know?

[marlin29311]

For regular automatic transmission fluids, you're assumption is correct - most of them are built the same way and can use a fairly generic fluid. The CVT is different, considering the way that the parts work internally - there is much more movement among the internal parts than with a regular auto transmission. I don't think this is something you want to monkey around with, considering the possible consequences. But i guess that's just my 2 cents...

[adidas2go]

I don't think its a bad idea. Ive been emailing Tim Wang all morning. He's the manager at Nippon Oil (USA) Ltd. He seems confident the ENEOS oil is compaitble with the Extronic CVT. This is the email I got last. Ill try and see if I can upload these articles on here.

Blake,

What I can tell you is that Nippon Oil, being the number one lubricants developer in Japan, have worked with a large number of the automotive manufacturers as well as transmission manufacturers in developing their CVT technology. With this advantage, our R&D department has intimate knowledge on what kind of fluid can optimize performance in CVT’s. Please take a look at the attached articles and hopefully this will give you a little more insight into our CVT fluid. Thanks,

Tim Wang

[jungleboogie]

I don't think its a bad idea. Ive been emailing Tim Wang all morning. He's the manager at Nippon Oil (USA) Ltd. He seems confident the ENEOS oil is compaitble with the Extronic CVT. This is the email I got last. Ill try and see if I can upload these articles on here.

Blake,

What I can tell you is that Nippon Oil, being the number one lubricants developer in Japan, have worked with a large number of the automotive manufacturers as well as transmission manufacturers in developing their CVT technology. With this advantage, our R&D department has intimate knowledge on what kind of fluid can optimize performance in CVT’s. Please take a look at the attached articles and hopefully this will give you a little more insight into our CVT fluid. Thanks,

Tim Wang

ah most interesting... i wonder if we can get a technical description of what's really going on... in layman's terms hopefully...

btw, how're you holding out on not driving your car? i read somewhere that you're coming back in mid september... must feel like the longest wait of your life eh?

[SniperJoe]

I agree as well, compatible does not mean approved by Nissan nor does it mean that it will not void your warranty.

[adidas2go]

Its up to Nissan whether or not they want to void your warranty. Its the same uproar like Redline transmission fluid. This is the last email I got from Tim:

Blake,

We can guarantee that the fluid is 100% compatible. However, warranty issue is really determined by the manufacturer, so we do not have too much control on that side. We know that our fluid will not damage the CVT under normal usage and we stand behind that, but I cannot guarantee you that Nissan as a manufacturer will not try to use that as an excuse to void your warranty. Will they be able to find evidence that our fluid damaged the CVT? I am certain they will not be able to, but the burden of proof will be on yourself to Nissan.

There are Nissan Dealers who are servicing their cars with our CVT fluid, but these are cars out of the warranty period. So if you are worried about Nissan's manufacturer warranty, especially the fact that you will have forced induction (which should void that warranty anyway) on the car and putting stress on a transmission that was not built for that type of power transfer, I would personally suggest you to stick with the OE fluid to eliminate any chance that Nissan will try to deny you of a claim.

[alphapig]

^ Sweet find Blake.

It's good that you're looking into it, I'm sure fluid manufacturers can make a more performance oriented CVT fluid than Nissan.