afterdark tuning and sr20det

Post by **rxspeed** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

since you closed the last thread for no reason, i am posting a new one. i dont believe the people in the last one caused any harm to afterdark, i believe afterdark caused all the harm to itself. to dauntless, 8 mo. is ridiculous, you should have just refunded their money. as for me i have cancelled my check to you so this is a heads up to you to not cash it. had i known about this problem i would have never committed. also, dauntless, i emailed you today and it says your account is no longer active due to lack of paying the hosting fees. thats not too good.

for guys looking for a reliable supplier please contact phase 2 motor trend, or xat racing, or enjuku racing, you may wait 1-2 mo. at worst but you will get what you pay for in a timely manner. not 8 mo.

Post by **christopher** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

For the record, I am not mad at Adam at all. I wish things were going better for him too. Like I said in the other thread, I'm sure that they aren't doing as well as THEY want to. I have spoken to Adam and gone to their shop twice and they do seem to be working hard. That is why I have given them this much time. They ARE a new business.

I am very glad that they are willing to take both positive and negative feedback.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

I am also keeping my fingers crossed for Adam and wish him the best of luck.

I remember the main reason he started afterdark was not to rake it in, but to take care of his fellow enthusiasts.

That goes a very long way in my book.

This is not to say that I excuse the extreme wait times.

Fred..

PS: While I dont know who closed that original thread, it is very bad net ettiquete to reopen a thread that has been closed by an admin or mod, or to even complain about it.

On the majority of other large boards (maxima.org and such) that is an offense that will get a member immediately banned, w/ no appeal possible.

We are a lot more lenient here, but please respect the guys that are working their butts off, to keep this board running.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Fred, I know who closed the thread last night. I strongly disagreed with closing it, however I didn't want to argue about it.

I think the fact that this topic is important enough for a member to start another thread means *this* thread should stay open. If I see this thread closed, I will open back up, unless multiple moderators want it closed.

Post by **T_love** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Does anybody want to share what is really going on here? I'm supposed to be getting an engine right now and i would like to know if our orders have somehow been changed, again. I don't want to step on any toes i just need information. i have a lot of money on the line

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

T_love wrote:Does anybody want to share what is really going on here? I'm supposed to be getting an engine right now and i would like to know if our orders have somehow been changed, again. I don't want to step on any toes i just need information. i have a lot of money on the line

I think the reality is that nobody knows what is currently going on with Afterdark except for Adam.

Post by **Aries** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

best bet, as I see it, is for someone who is currently waiting on their motor to call the shop.Then report their findings here.

That way it is fair to everyone.

Even better would be fore someone to visit the shop, but that's a long way off for most.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

I may not be neutral here as I consider Adam a friend and I hope everyone here remembers how much free time he has donated to us on teh boards here in the past

We had a couple of members (nismodave and one more guy in a recent thread on SR forums I think) visit Adams shop <very> recently, they reported swaps+work as ongoing.

Fred...

Post by **SWIFT_DRIFT** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Anyone who spends as much time on the computer as he used to, and anyone who would spend that time actually reading about nissans could have helped the board just as much. That is still no excuse in my mind to take someones money and not produce anything, especially after almost a year.

Post by **Imissmyturbo** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Sounds like this same thing going on in the RB forum. There is 6 of us that payed Cameron (Nightxzc77) over $20K for our clips and it doesn't seem like we will ever get them. After waiting for him to get back to me for 3 months I decieded to let the FBI handle it. I am guessing that Adam is atlest able to be reached where Cameron is imposable to get ahold of and when you do talk to him he is able to come up with some stupid BS story that when you check up on turns out to be false.

Post by **nismodave** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Ok.....this has gone on long enough without me saying something.......

What alot of people need to understand is that there has been alot alot of crap that Adam has had to deal with that, very few people know about.......

Hence, yes there has been some problems.......

But I unlike other people on this board will NOT say these things on the board.......

If people have a problem call the shop......period.......

Get off his DAMN back.........

If you dont work for him or have business with him.........keep your mouth shut!!!!

Post by **worknprogress** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

i have quite a bit of money invested in adam right now a bit over 7K and i understand he is just getting this thing off the ground which is why i've been very calm and tried to bug him as little as possible but i also understand how frustrating it is to be told something and then not have it happen wether it's his fault or not though i do not think it is , bottom line is up your willing to be patient and stick through it afterdark is probably a good shop b/c from what i've read those who have already had their work done were more than pleased and if not and you're in a rush find somewhere else i myself don't mind a little wait , i've waited to have a car i really want and enjoy for so long as is what's a little longer really?

Post by **Josh** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

rxspeed wrote:i emailed you today and it says your account is no longer active due to lack of paying the hosting fees

Same thing with the website.

I won't be purchasing an SR until December or January, and when I do I hope to have it in a couple weeks. I hope everything gets straightened out by then.

Post by **T_love** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Like somebody just said, if you have an issue with Adam please call him and settle it with him. I have been in contact with him for a while and he always answers my questions. What i wanted to know was what happened that was so bad that a thread had to be closed over it. If you had business with somebody and you hear some people mumbling about that person you would want to know what it is they were talking about and how it affects your transactions, that way when you approach the person in question you have specific questions to ask them, not try to have them wreck their brain trying to figure out what it is you want to know. I just talked to Adam and we are cool, hopefully my engine should be on the highway by the end of the week.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Let me just say this.....it's not like we, as former employees are saying that nobody is ever going to get engines.

Adam *is* trying to get everyone taken care of. All we are saying, which started this whole thing, is that if you hear two different stories about your personal situation with Afterdark, it is not our fault (as former employees). We have always told the truth to the best of our knowledge, and have always tried to do the best quality work. If a different story is told to anyone by Adam, then either A) Adam is not telling the truth or B) Adam has told us as employees, faulty information. I don't know which is true for which situations. I'm not saying Adam is a liar either. I don't know if he is or not. I do know he doesn't like to be upfront with a lot of information, but that should not imply he is a liar.

If Adam can work out everything, then great for him. If he can't, that really sucks for him. He has good intentions (I assume). He just handles some things much differently than some of us would.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

wow torry, you must have had some kinda discrepancy with him here recently eh? (you don't have to say on here, I will ask on AIM)

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

240_Keyy wrote:wow torry, you must have had some kinda discrepancy with him here recently eh? (you don't have to say on here, I will ask on AIM)

I have no discrepency with him at all other than the discussion that took place in the other thread, the one that is currently locked.

Post by **fiznat** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

I dont know why everything has to be so sketchy with getting SRs. Christ, its just like when an airline "overbooks" a flight... dontcha think they should keep track of these types of things so it doesnt happen? The same way, Afterdark (or anyone) should NOT take money for engines that are not at least on their way to the shop! Seriously a deposit to hold your place in line is one thing, but paying full price and then waiting 8 months and hearing excuses the whole time is just too much.

If Afterdark is having some specific problems, there should be a mass email sent out to those who have paid explaining the situation. These small delays and bogus "time" probems I've been reading about are pretty weak. If you dont have time to get an engine to your shop, dont friggin take the money for it.

I know I'm not in the situation Adam is and all that, and I'm probably not understanding whats going on completely, but man if Adam was just a regular guy on the boards (and not trying to open up a shop that everyone talked up for like 5 months), nobody would be so patient. A bisnuess should be held to HIGHER standards than just a regular Joe- how come Afterdark is getting off so light making people wait like this?

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Currently, Adam is just a regular guy on the boards. With the exception of having a high number of posts.

Post by **fiznat** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

yeah I wasn't talking about him as a mod, just as a businessman versus me posting something for sale on the BST forum. "Afterdark Tuning" should be held to a higher standard because of it's status as a buisness. There are laws regarding these things...

Adam SEEMS honest and all that, just a guy with a lot of problems. The thing is, alleged honesty just isnt enough to get a lot of people to send money. Time for a fresh start guys... try to do it right this time...

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

I'll chime in for a second.

I 'assume' (dangerous i know) that, atleast, 99% of the people who placed an order with AfterDark tuning, understood that it was a beginning, and new opening shop, and mostly ordered from there do to Adam's service he provided the individual online, over the phone, or through emails (which should still be remembered), and also due to their lower/competitive prices (in direct relation to being a new shop).....

So comparison's with a established shop arent really fair, and i think that if someone took a step back, ouside the box, and looked at whats going on it wouldnt be so out of the ordinary for a company thats just getting its feet wet.

all im saying, is that people that went with a new shop, went with a new shop for a reason, and seems to now be dealing with some of the 'issues' associated with dealing with a new shop.....

From what i understand, adam is working...and taking care of everyone of his customers....maybe having trouble? i dont know, im not there, but i can say that 'i believe' his effort is there.

Chow.

Jesse

Post by **T_love** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

EZcheese15 wrote:Let me just say this.....it's not like we, as former employees are saying that nobody is ever going to get engines.

Adam *is* trying to get everyone taken care of. All we are saying, which started this whole thing, is that if you hear two different stories about your personal situation with Afterdark, it is not our fault (as former employees). We have always told the truth to the best of our knowledge, and have always tried to do the best quality work. If a different story is told to anyone by Adam, then either A) Adam is not telling the truth or B) Adam has told us as employees, faulty information. I don't know which is true for which situations. I'm not saying Adam is a liar either. I don't know if he is or not. I do know he doesn't like to be upfront with a lot of information, but that should not imply he is a liar.

If Adam can work out everything, then great for him. If he can't, that really sucks for him. He has good intentions (I assume). He just handles some things much differently than some of us would.

Thanx Torry, that's kinda all i wanted to know.I've been calling Adam and it seems things are kinda getting straightened out, At least with us the original preorder group.

Post by **rxspeed** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

no one is doubting adam's efforts or his ability to run a shop, but come on 8 months waiting for a motor? nothing can justify that. you can call motorex or heavy throttle and they will tell you the wait time is 2-5 wks depending on what you want and what not. call clay at motorex. they get clips every 3 weeks and they sell for 2600 shipped. no one can beat that i'm pretty sure of that. and dont tell me they are not good. i know 5 guys who just got clips from motorex and they are very nice.

no offense to adam, but like i said in the original post, he did not disclose he had a big waiting list or that people have been waiting for 8 months. all he sad was aug. 20 is when my next container comes in and i should have no problem getting it to you by the end of september. maybe what afterdark should do is concentrate on their local or regional customers instead of offering to ship motors to FL where i am located.

Post by **nismodave** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Hey rx.....

You know you have a problem with Adam and his business......and you choose to air it all over the board......

Talk to Adam ......ask for a refund........ or get off his case

The only reason you started this thread was to try and hurt the rep of Adam........

Some of you guys have a problem with a shop or person and you decide that instead of being men you want to talk s*** about them on the board.......instead of talking to them personally.......

I had a problem with a shop a while back but instead of acting like a little girl and trying to hurt their business by telling my story on the board, I handled it like a MAN and dealt with them personaly, and things worked out........

GROW UP.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

2nd that

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

and dave, did u get my post on your thread about "#3 cylinder gone" about spare bottom end parts i have?

Post by **ytboy4ever** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

I was at Afterdark on Sunday and when I walked in the shop Adam was by himself working his *** off. He told me he was doing about a swap a day and was finally catching up. So to those waiting hopefully this is good news. As a bystander to all that is going on all I can say is I wish Adam would get on here and defend himself.

He had gotten in another shipment of clips and was busy as a bee. I don't know about the people who are waiting for just engines, but if you had a car at the shop waiting for a motor, most likely your car has a SR in it now.

Everything that is going on is none of my business, just thought maybe I could relay some info since I live in Cedar Rapids and know Adam. Maybe it is not my place to relay this info but it seems like a lot of people are in the dark except for nismodave and I since we both have been at the shop recently.

Post by **nismodave** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Yea man I got the post......

I havent pulled the motor yet to see whats all broken yet, but Ill let you know if Ill take you up on that offer......

Thank You....

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

nismodave wrote:Hey rx.....

You know you have a problem with Adam and his business......and you choose to air it all over the board......

Talk to Adam ......ask for a refund........ or get off his case

Maybe its changed in the last week but as far as i know short of walking into the shop its about impossible to get ahold of adam.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:00 am

Sounds like he is too tied up to cruise the boards, the way he used to.

Fred..

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