AEM EMS released for the CA.

[fanta]

Not sure if it made the rounds. AEM P/N 30-1622.http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/...12677h ... sa...t/EMS

[float_6969]

Still a MAF system. It's up there with the Power FC IMO, definatly a little more advanced than that, but still using stock sensors and controls.

[c-rad]

Still a MAF system. It's up there with the Power FC IMO, definatly a little more advanced than that, but still using stock sensors and controls.

You can use a 3-bar MAP sensor with it instead of a MAF if you want.

[NeedCAforS13]

awesome I've heard really good stuff about this system. Too bad its over $2g. That'll buy a nice SDS and some dyno tuning...

Sean

[CA19DET]

man i really love this system, but thats too much money dread..

what the diff in price between the two they have listed, one is wide band included the other isnt??

[fanta]

Yeah, you can go with a 3 or 5bar map, IIRC. The more expensive of the two, 1622U, has the optional internal wideband.

[slownslurious]

with the wideband option the computer can tune itself... I've heard it works well enough to get it running and driving.

[boost_boy]

Not sure if it made the rounds. AEM P/N 30-1622.http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/...12677h ... sa...t/EMS

Funny part about this is, such an amazing piece of machinery and such a cheap bunch of enthusiasts . As advanced as it looks, it still requires the ue of a factory-like harness and the use of nissan's sensors. I'll stick with the SDS, but some of you guys can definitely go buy it and give it a swing.

Dee

[float_6969]

You can use a 3-bar MAP sensor with it instead of a MAF if you want.

That's a little better, but I'm still not uber impressed. All of those stupid idle control valves, the ignitor, and the coilpacks, are all problem area's of this wiring design and they're not being replaced.

I'll stick with my SDS (if I ever get it on the damn car...)

[Not_a_sr]

we will be trying megasquirt on our Ca's here in dayton, hopefully we will get a setup that would cost around what a chip tune from JWT maybe a hundred or two more then that,but give us complete control like most standalones.

[CA19DET]

Quote »Funny part about this is, such an amazing piece of machinery and such a cheap bunch of enthusiasts . As advanced as it looks, it still requires the ue of a factory-like harness and the use of nissan's sensors. I'll stick with the SDS, but some of you guys can definitely go buy it and give it a swing.[/quote]you can buy/make a harness and use any sensors you wish - they jsut made it easy for us...

the best part of this systm which makes it the best right now is the fact that it IS plug and play, you can just plug it in (and if you have the unit with the internal wideband) select an AFR you wish and it will automatically make the fuel maps based on your set up and a base ignition map, then all you do from there is fune tune it.. its like a POWER FC on steriods and with no limitations... and lots of room for upgrading and expanding the system.

you can swap out the sensors to work with any sensors you wnt, BOSCH, AUTRONIC, HALTECH etc etc.. and you can also choose which factory sensors to use, like idle controll, aux air etc.. i am sure you can condem all those OEM sensors if you use the AEM unit, just like i did with the haltech.. i also used the stock wiring harness and most sensors.. (replacing water temp and air temp with haltecha nd autronic sensors)

i think it is great and the SDS can't compare...

if i got this unit, i would re-wire the entire engine and use different sensors where neccessary (water tmep and air temp for sure - also add a 3 bar map and crank trigger (instead of the CAS) and use the AEM ignition module and external coils, and do away with nissans coil pack thingee...

[slownslurious]

mm, bypassing the factory coils for AEM's capacitive discharge system???tasty!I wonder how much the system would cost when all the smoke cleared if you ordered the aem unit, the wideband, their ignition upgrade, map sensor, etc.... I mean sure that would be nice but man thats a lot of money. Especially when there are ca Power FC's on ebay every couple weeks for around $900.

[boost_boy]

i think it is great and the SDS can't compare...

How can you say it's great and no other CA owner have tried it. Yes, AEM is a proven company with a good product, but so is haltech, microtec, and even SDS.

Have you ever tuned an SDS system or even owned one? I'll easily assume the answer is "No", which means you're in no position to criticize a standalone that has been proven itself and probably outsells that AEM system easily. It's called personal preference. You prefer haltech which is a great system in itself, but yet at sill you ask around the forum for maps to compare which tells me you're not too sure of what you're doing.

Now, AEM is a big-baller unit that basically does what all the others do, but with say a more newer/bolder statement. Would you compare Motec to AEM? If so, would you compare prices between the two and the features? What's the difference between SDS and Haltech? Very little in the fact that they both need to be tuned by a human being with some knowledge of the way combustion engines functions, especially our application. They all do the same thing, but they all are nothing if the fool tuning it doesn't have a clue as to what in the hell they're doing. So please don't down-play a standalone system that has proven itself to be competitive; especially the one I chose to manage my engine. Last I remember, the engine you put together didn't last too long and I wonder why .

Until someone tries this out on a CA, it would be wise to not ride the nuts of AEM's CA18 direct system. AEM has already proven itself with Honda, Ford, and a few others, but have yet to be proven around here. Like I stated in my previous post, someone (especially CA19DET) needs to go out and buy it and get rid of that supposedly uncomparable haltech E6K (I'll happily find you a buyer and show you how it's tuned).

Dee

[slownslurious]

from my friends experience with the unit on a twin turbo supra, if nothing else, it is certainly a lot quicker to get an acceptable level of tune than a Haltech. EMS was plug and play (though he added the wiring for the MAP sensor) and had the car running after a quick call to AMS to get the right basemap. With the wideband tune it got him running well enough to get to the dyno and they were able to have him dialed in under an hours dyno time... very efficient.

[boost_boy]

from my friends experience with the unit on a twin turbo supra, if nothing else, it is certainly a lot quicker to get an acceptable level of tune than a Haltech. EMS was plug and play (though he added the wiring for the MAP sensor) and had the car running after a quick call to AMS to get the right basemap. With the wideband tune it got him running well enough to get to the dyno and they were able to have him dialed in under an hours dyno time... very efficient.

Well, many systems nowaday are offering a wideband option to their product line-up, but you will still end up at a dyno facility for precise/comfort tuning. The amount of time it takes to tune depends upon how good of a base map you have or created, how your components perform under the gun, and mainly upon the knowledge and skills of the young lady or young man whose doing the tuning for you. I tune my own cars and many other cars for that matter and I spend very little time as well getting them to perform at optimum levels. I spend a little more time on my own because that's just what they are "Mine", so I like to play with the +/-s.

Dee

[CA19DET]

whoa, slow your roll there boost boy - lol

breds everytime someone likes something you are not farmiliar with or don't like, you flame on it only based on your experience... AEM has received wide accliam for their EMS.. dont hate on it sadess..

it doesnt need to prove itself on the almighty CA to be worth it or better than the SDS, its clearly a better system cause it's a 32 bit system (more tuning points) can go as high as 5 bar Map, built in wideband, can do datalogging, programmable inputs and outputs, crazy user and tech support forums, sequential and wasted spark, boost controll, nitro controll, twin 02 closed loop etc...

i never said anything about haltech vs sds or haltech was my preferd EMS... i dont have a preference... i DO have experience with the SDS system and have seen it used allot, my tuner/firned Ryan Garcia used to runit on his 4g63 till he upgraded to the autronic system when he reached about 400hp cause he said it jsut didnt have the controll eh needed.. so have seen it been used and tunned with,.

you make it sound like it will not work good on a CA cause you say so... and casue..

and my engine didnt hold together cause a injector clip came out and the cylinder leaned out... thats it... you dont need to wonder anymore... and since them my other engine was working perfect on the same tune, same haltech, till i modified the maps recently, and now is working better than ever... so i dont know why you suddenly need to make personal attacks on me, i had to read my post twice to make sure i didnt make any attacks on you breds...

others here may worship you Dee, me, i read all your post very carefully, you have grenaded more CA18 engines than me anyday -> young crankwalker

that was a very obnoxious response.. really refects allot on yopur personality once again.
Modified by CA19DET at 1:25 PM 6/3/2005

[CA19DET]

mm, bypassing the factory coils for AEM's capacitive discharge system???tasty!I wonder how much the system would cost when all the smoke cleared if you ordered the aem unit, the wideband, their ignition upgrade, map sensor, etc.... I mean sure that would be nice but man thats a lot of money. Especially when there are ca Power FC's on ebay every couple weeks for around $900.

i think the fully loaded system would cost about 3,000 probably LOL

i would "wait till the smoke clears" and get a used one and re-pin it for the CA18..

the power FC is really cool but it too has its limits.. but really good for entry/mid level tuners and DIY's...

[boost_boy]

whoa, slow your roll there boost boy - lol

breds everytime someone likes something you are not farmiliar with or don't like, you flame on it only based on your experience... AEM has received wide accliam for their EMS.. dont hate on it sadess..

it doesnt need to prove itself on the almighty CA to be worth it or better than the SDS, its clearly a better system cause it's a 32 bit system (more tuning points) can go as high as 5 bar Map, built in wideband, can do datalogging, programmable inputs and outputs, crazy user and tech support forums, sequential and wasted spark, boost controll, nitro controll, twin 02 closed loop etc...

i never said anything about haltech vs sds or haltech was my preferd EMS... i dont have a preference... i DO have experience with the SDS system and have seen it used allot, my tuner/firned Ryan Garcia used to runit on his 4g63 till he upgraded to the autronic system when he reached about 400hp cause he said it jsut didnt have the controll eh needed.. so have seen it been used and tunned with,.

you make it sound like it will not work good on a CA cause you say so... and casue..

and my engine didnt hold together cause a injector clip came out and the cylinder leaned out... thats it... you dont need to wonder anymore... and since them my other engine was working perfect on the same tune, same haltech, till i modified the maps recently, and now is working better than ever... so i dont know why you suddenly need to make personal attacks on me, i had to read my post twice to make sure i didnt make any attacks on you breds...

others here may worship you Dee, me, i read all your post very carefully, you have grenaded more CA18 engines than me anyday -> young crankwalker

that was a very obnoxious response.. really refects allot on yopur personality once again.

Modified by CA19DET at 1:25 PM 6/3/2005

Let me correct you, fellow booster: It's not that I'm flaming AEM and I think that if you looked at my post before typing-off at the fingers, you would see that I gave the proper accolades to AEM which in my opinion is a very good company that produces a very good system for the serious tuner, not the novice. This is why it is said that loose lips sinks ships

i think it is great and the SDS can't compare...

. So answer me this, why did you have to target SDS? Why not haltech, why not megasquirt, etc, etc.... You tried to be slick and poke fun at a system that some of us around here have actually relied upon and come to accept despite it's limitations compared to saaaaay an AEM system or Motec system or even a haltech E6S (mind you). But it works and plenty of people using it.

The point I'm making "kid" is, you speak of AEM as if you are down with the AEM click. AEM has enough nut-riders in the honda community and with good cause (It works for them). But don't come here preaching about AEM as if you've been there and done that because you're not even the thread starter; you're a rider And BTW, get off the SR20s nuts as well! That's all you ever post about. Be proud of what you got and that's a CA18DET or is this engine not good enough for your taste.

And that childish remark with you referring to me as a young crankwalker, at least you are paying attention to what I post, but I seriously doubt if that was crankwalk. This ain't no 4g63.

And last but not least, yeah I've busted some pistons in the late 90s on the CA18, but that's what happens when you let someone else program your stock nissan ecu. Good thing is, the engines that had blown taught me one very valuable lesson that I've already spoken of on this forum before and that's "just because a person or company have had success tuning a specific engine doesn't mean that they can take that same application and apply it to yours. It just don't work that way.........RIDER!!!!!!!

Dee