Why, oh why, did you buy a brand new Rogue for your teenager? Does your son have sports or is he going to college? A sedan would be perfect for him. Now moving onto the safety features, with the ProPilot nonsense... no, it would not fully prevent a collision, since using the actual brake pedal does stop accidents than computer and radars and technology. Every single piece of technology will fail at any given time.jroymd wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:25 amIs anyone aware of whether the ProPILOT Assist option has any significant affect on the AEB function during emergency braking compared to the non-ProPILOT Assist equipped vehicle? (I have read the previous posts about the AEB function and misconceptions about the option.)
I recently purchased a 2018 Scarlet Rogue AWD SL (Premium Package) with as many bells and whistles as possible. I chose this model for my teenage son because of all the "advertised" safety features. I have two Infiniti vehicles (Q60 RS400 AWD and QX 60) with anti-front and rear collision interventions functions and assumed than the anti-collision safety features of higher-end Rogue AWD SL would be the same but apparently not so. On the Infiniti vehicles when you rapidly (or slowly) approach an oncoming object, the warning alarms sound off and the vehicle rapidly slows down. I attempted to reproduce the situation in the Rogue just to test the anti-front-collision feature, but I have not been impressed with any significant braking in the Rogue when approaching an object. All the proper functions have been checked in the setup screens. I realize that you get what you pay for, but does the anti-collision function work at all? I don't want to be too much more aggressive to test the AEB function. I am wondering if the lack of ProPILOT Assist option has any contribution to the AEB function. The car does not have the ProPILOT Assist option, because I was not aware that the Scarlet Red and Midnight Pine Rogues were not available during the ordering process with the ProPILOT Assist function (Platinum Package) for some strange reason. The salesperson was not aware of this incompatibility also. If you go to the Nissan website and attempt select the Platinum Package with either the Scarlet Red or Midnight Pine colors, it forces you to select an alternative color or cancel the Platinum package. I did not make a big deal about the lack of ProPILOT Assist function, since I assumed that the ProPILOT Assist mainly dealt with steering, although subsequent videos indicate that it is useful in stop and go traffic as long as you have two hands on the steering wheel.
So back to the original question.......Does the Rogue with the ProPILOT Assist option brake better in a potential front end collision situation?
Safety features is always a key thing for distracted drivers and SUVs with cell phones being used while driving is the meat for an entree for a disaster. I hope your son isn't one of those distracted drivers. My point was that you could've bought him an Accord or an Altima, for a lower center of gravity, which in turn will make him to avoid a potential rollover. And for having a safe car only means one thing: did the people in the car that was in the accident only walked out with few bruises and scratches? I'm not here to s*** on the Rogue at all. I'm a high school senior, and I mostly see recent (from 1998 and newer) Accords, Civics, and Camrys in my school and local college parking lots, with maybe roughly couple half-tons and a handful of those truck-based SUVs; but mostly, everyone still drives a sedan. The only person that I see driving a 2nd gen Rogue at college and my high school is me, and mine doesn't have all the safety features. You should highly reconsider the Rogue and look at sedans for your kiddos.jroymd wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:51 amThank you for your responses. I am relatively new to this particular forum, but I was surprised at some of the response posts. I felt that I posed a simple, straightforward question with a detailed explanation. Unfortunately, the question was not taken well by some of the respondents.
DTASFAB: Really. That's your answer. The answers to questions should be helpful, not condescending.
MACGIVER: Excellent idea. I will try that this week.
DATECHBOSS101: The reason I got a new Rogue for my son was because it was advertised as being one of the safest vehicles (anti-front and rear collision warning/intervention and surround camera) currently on sale in 2018 without costing a greater fortune than the moderately sized fortune of the Rogue. Also the driver sits higher and allows better distant and peripheral vision, once I can convince my son to turn his head rather than rely on mirrors. The recent iteration of the Nissan Rogue represents the current trend of integrated safety features as opposed to costly add-ons as in other vehicles. I would imagine that all these safety features will be standard within the next few years, like back-up cameras were "supposed" to be standard "by law" in 2014 (but weren't). Sure, I could have bought him a 300 HP Mustang or Camaro for less money, and he would been the envy of his classmates, but these cars don't have the safety and security features of the Rogue even as options. You have to ask yourself that if you can afford it, is your money better spent on a safer car or do you want to spend more money on hospital bills and lawsuits. I have taught my son ( and his two siblings) how to drive properly without relying on all the safety features, but still I realize that a teenager's mind wanders, and it doesn't hurt to have a little extra help. I remember stupid stuff I did at that age, and kids are basically the same today, except they have a lot more distractions.
Again, thank you MACGIVER and MACGIVER for your responses.
I can agree with you. I never appreciate our Rogue at all, but then I keep my goals in mind and grind hard to achieve my goal. Current goal of mine is to buy an Acura TLX or RLX with my own money, once I graduate in 4 years! Until then, I have to use the Rogue (I really don't see teenagers use the 2nd gen Rogues at all)Rogue Jarhead wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:24 pmI found it funny, but then I made my kids buy their own vehicles. When stuff is given, it’s never fully appreciated like it is when earned.
I want to add a little more info to this. The AEB will act up once in a while when there is nothing in front of you. Just gotta be more cautious about that when you drive, and make sure that sensor is clean, otherwise, you'd be having unintended braking.sprocket wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:22 pmjroymd, here's my $0.02.
I don't think there's really much of a difference in AEB effectiveness on vehicles with or without ProPILOT.
I assume your Infiniti vehicles have the Distance Control Assist feature. This is somewhat similar to Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC) or ProPILOT (which includes ICC) which maintains distance with the vehicle in front of you and slows you down before AEB kicks in, I think this is where it could be beneficial because it reduces the odds of getting too close to the vehicle in front of you and needing AEB to intervene if you fail to brake yourself. More space and slower speeds is better than less space and higher speeds.
One plus for the Infiniti DCA feature is that it will continuously monitor distance to vehicle ahead and slow you down if needed to keep that distance regardless of whether cruise is engaged (as long as you turned on the dynamic switch on the steering wheel). ICC and ProPILOT will only maintain distance when cruise is engaged so if cruise is not engaged, you have no system to maintain distance or slow you down until AEB needs to actively brake to avoid/mitigate a collision.
Think of Infiniti's DCA as a system in place to continuously keep a safe distance from the moving vehicle in front of you, ICC or ProPILOT as a system to only keep a safe distance from the moving vehicle in front of you when cruise is engaged and AEB as a last option resort that kicks in and brakes to avoid/mitigate the impending collision.
DCA/ICC/ProPILOT can only maintain a distance to a moving vehicle as it needs to track the movement, it won't kick in if you are crusing up to standstill traffic because that is a stationary object. AEB brakes for stationary objects. That is a key distinction. You don't want to have DCA/ICC/ProPILOT engaged and come up to a stopped vehicle and expect the system to gradually slow down because it won't and you'll be left with AEB kicking in at the last minute. If you see a stopped vehicle, brake manually to bring the car to a stop. These systems are aids to help driving and reduce accidents, they don't replace the driver's role in assessing the surroundings and reacting accordingly.
That's a nice thought, but anything that's OBD-II compliant is more computer than car in my view. My 2013 Rogue has way more computer programming than I'd like, not to mention the black box that has no business being in there.datechboss101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:31 amGrab a 16 Rogue SL w/o Premium pkg... no non-sense s*** tech it in
Yeah, hopefully it doesn't stop you on some train tracks, especially when you're not paying attention. And that makes perfect sense, since the whole reason to add a FEB system is because of the possibility of the driver not paying attention. Looking at it a different way, approaching the issue from the opposite direction, you're saying it's important to be diligent by making sure the sensor is clean. But the whole purpose and intent of the system is to counterbalance the high number of drivers who are failing to be diligent and are frequently not paying attention. I realize I'm talking about two different scenarios - one has more to do with diligence about vehicle maintence while the other has to do with proper diligence while actually driving, but the common thread is the same - people getting distracted and not paying attention, probably because their doctor prescribed too much ritalin, adderall, or paxil. SMH at the irony. This society is doomed.datechboss101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 amThe AEB will act up once in a while when there is nothing in front of you. Just gotta be more cautious about that when you drive, and make sure that sensor is clean, otherwise, you'd be having unintended braking.
Totally agree with you on that part! Now we just need to go back in time, where cell phones were flip phones that could only call people or were way too heavy to take outside. Geez, can't believe how lazy and dump society has been. Thank you Apple and DOT for making a serious problem even worse!DTASFAB wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:08 amThat's a nice thought, but anything that's OBD-II compliant is more computer than car in my view. My 2013 Rogue has way more computer programming than I'd like, not to mention the black box that has no business being in there.datechboss101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:31 amGrab a 16 Rogue SL w/o Premium pkg... no non-sense s*** tech it in
Yeah, hopefully it doesn't stop you on some train tracks, especially when you're not paying attention. And that makes perfect sense, since the whole reason to add a FEB system is because of the possibility of the driver not paying attention. Looking at it a different way, approaching the issue from the opposite direction, you're saying it's important to be diligent by making sure the sensor is clean. But the whole purpose and intent of the system is to counterbalance the high number of drivers who are failing to be diligent and are frequently not paying attention. I realize I'm talking about two different scenarios - one has more to do with diligence about vehicle maintence while the other has to do with proper diligence while actually driving, but the common thread is the same - people getting distracted and not paying attention, probably because their doctor prescribed too much ritalin, adderall, or paxil. SMH at the irony. This society is doomed.datechboss101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 amThe AEB will act up once in a while when there is nothing in front of you. Just gotta be more cautious about that when you drive, and make sure that sensor is clean, otherwise, you'd be having unintended braking.
This is a perfect example of unintended consequences. We have problems caused by technology (trains and cars and cell phones) and we try to solve them using more technology (FEB systems) and that may solve part of the original problem, but it also causes three or five or 100 other unpredicted problems that then have to be addressed. And how do we do it? With more engineering R&D, of course! Did any of these brilliant engineers ever stop to think maybe the better solution would be to eliminate the causes of these new problems rather than trying to address all of them? The former is always possible, the latter never is.
The advertising geniuses market the new technology as improving safety, but they're lying. The new technology is merely trading one type of danger for another. As long as there are cars and trains and cell phones and humans, there will be accidents, and a few unlucky people will be injured or killed. That's a simple fact. You don't like it? Don't ever leave your house. The truth is the best way to avoid being one of the unlucky schlubs who gets injured or killed is to always be paying attention to what you and others around you are doing. And that, in and of itself, completely negates the necessity for any FEB system. So like I said, if you are driving and you want your vehicle to slow down, apply your foot to the brake pedal.
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In traffic, the Nisan system will slow down to a complete stop too. And then beep and turn off after being stopped for 2 seconds. Make sure to hit the brake so you don't idle up into the car in front of you.datechboss101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 amComparing these systems to Honda Sense and Acura Watch, Honda's systems will slow down the car and stop it when it is active when the car in front is slowing down or stopping, even in bumper-to-bumper traffic.
MACGIVER: I liked the idea putting a large, non-destructive object in front of the moving Rogue to test the function of the AEB system. Unfortunately, I didn't have a tall, thin box, so I hung an opaque, dark blue tarp over the entrance to an open two car garage. I re-read the manual several times about the functions and limitations of the system, and tried to test the system. The manual states that after traveling greater than 3 MPH if your vehicle approaches a large object (theoretically a vehicle) there should be a series of flashing warning lights, followed by a graded partial braking, then additional warning lights/alarms, followed by more forceful braking if the driver does not hit the brakes first. I tried to test the system about twenty times and absolutely nothing happened!!! The Rogue just cruised right on though without any warning lights or braking. I eventually had to stop the vehicle manually, of course. I checked the manual again. I made sure all the settings were correct, and there was no hint of AEB functioning. It seems odd that you can test the ABS, the lane drifting warning/intervention, the rear cross-traffic warning/intervention, but the AEB does not appear to work. It is not that I need an AEB to operate a vehicle properly, but if the company advertises that point in their list of safety features, it should at least function minimally.macgiver wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:37 pmmac, what you do to test "TO THE MAX- SUPER-AGGRESSIVELY" - is put up a piece of CARDBOARD "upright"
(aka TV box)in quiet street and JAM RIGHT ON UP to it Won't that "simulate" a vehicle/person and SHOULD
engage the questions about that system?? Cardboard won't damage your bumpers either. Lastly - all the "talk ", back & forth well and good,BUT you really wanna see how YOUR vehicle ACTUALLY PERFORMS - right?