Advice for solving brake lock-up (M30)

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vonscorpio
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Before starting the slippery slope of throwing new parts at the problem, I figured I would ask the wise people of the forum for some advice.

The brake lock-up seems to be a somewhat common issue with the Nissan family, or so my Google-fu would suggest. There are a bunch of comments on this site about it as well, but few had a definite solution.

Important details to note:
About 3000 miles ago I replaced the original master cylinder with a rebuilt one, which worked great even on a long road trip across the state 2 weeks ago.

The issue:
On my way home from work last Friday as it was 95+ degrees here and I was stuck in stop and go backroads traffic I started to feel the car dragging. The longer the engine ran (regardless of me pushing the brake pedal) the tighter the brakes got, until I forced it off the street into a parking lot. After sitting for a bit the brakes let loose and seemed to be fine.

I got back on the road and after about 5 miles they started to lock up again. It seems it’s a time thing, not related to me actually pushing to the pedal.

Symptoms:
The pedal is up (in normal position) not stuck down
The pedal pushes normal at first and gets harder as pressure builds, until it is brick solid.
I only lifted one front wheel to rule out a locked up e-brake, but it seems all brakes are locking up at once (isn’t dragging to one side or slipping a select wheel).
I pulled the vacuum hose off the booster, which sounded like I opened a soda can, but the brake pedal still felt the same.

My online search have revealed there are most likely four possible culprits: the master cylinder, the booster, the block which distributes the 60/40 pressure (not sure what it’s called) or a mysterious check valve people talk about but I have no idea where it is.

Any ideas on where to start or how to trouble shoot further?


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How long did it take for them to loosen up after you stopped? if it takes a good amount of time, you may want to try jacking up the car one side at a time and see if all four wheels are locking up. I have had calipers on my motorcycles go bad and cause this type of issue. if it is all 4, my first thought would be to re-bleed the lines. If that didn't work, my gut would have me looking at the booster/master cylinder.

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It takes about 20 - 30 minutes or so of the engine being off to release enough to roll. Plenty of time to check all 4 wheels, especially if the engine is on. Someone else also mentioned the calipers as a possibility, but it didn't feel like one wheel dragging solo. And all 4 calipers going out at once seems unlikely to me. But I will remove all doubt and try. I'll give that a shot when I get some time.

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checking each wheel could also lead to something else. if it is only the front or back locking up the booster should be fine, but i would then suspect the master cylinder or "proportioning valve".

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Proportioning valve! That's what it was called! So, i need to jack the car up to eliminate multiple possible culprits. Thanks for the advice! I'll see if I have time tonight. If not this weekend for sure.

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if you're still trying to sort this out, here is something i ran across.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nwshowcase/ ... mple-test/

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It is still a problem. And thank you!

I got in a wreck a few weeks ago (RIP I30) and have been too sore/busy to deal with it. I appreciate all the advice and plan to address this before parking the car for winter. The best part is if it is indeed the master cylinder, that's under warranty.


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