Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"?
Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"?
I've had my set of Yamaha floor speakers for almost 10 years now, and though they have been champ's. Enduring many drunkin nights, some great music and some bad. I'm listening to them right now, still sounding just like they did the day i got them. They have gotten me by for years but now my ears are changing. So I've been casually looking for a new set of floor speakers with a clear, chrisp sound at ear spliting volume and ran across this http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/1476034544.html ad sounds interesting but $285 for a 1982 model speaker? Not sure if i could justify that. I dont know anything about this brand either so...off to research some....after the bar...err maybe tomorrow Which do you guys think?
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Re: Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"? (VRoy)
Yeah do some research on them for sure.
Things that always worry me about "vintage" speakers; Capacitors degrading and driver soft parts degrading (surround and spider).
They're a lot like cars. If properly maintained they'll be fine, but if not...scrap.
So, why do you want these speakers? What are you trying to achieve by getting new speakers?
Things that always worry me about "vintage" speakers; Capacitors degrading and driver soft parts degrading (surround and spider).
They're a lot like cars. If properly maintained they'll be fine, but if not...scrap.
So, why do you want these speakers? What are you trying to achieve by getting new speakers?
Re: Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"? (Looneybomber)
So this is the email i got back from the poster.
Ryan,
I have replaced the Advent speakers with a pair of smaller speakers that I built. They are significantly smaller in width, and they have a very different visual presentation, which to be honest was the primary motivation for building speakers to replace the Advents. I bought a nice subwoofer about a year ago, and with it, I didn't really need speakers as large and bass-capable as the Advent speakers. The speakers that I built from a kit are ported speakers, and although they are not as musical to my ear in the deep bass, this is something that I just have to accept.
Ported speakers improve sensitivity at low frequencies, but only relative to a given enclosure volume. It is often claimed that they store more energy as a consequence, but on this I am uncertain. I am inclined to think that if the frequency responses are essentially the same, that there should not be any difference in energy storage. But the question that remains unanswered to my satisfaction is the question of how the output from the port is caused to be in phase with the output from the woofer. In order to get a flat response overall, it is necessary that the port be tuned such that its output will overlap with the output of the woofer by the right amount at the right frequency. But for this to work in the way that it is assumed to work, the outputs must be in phase. I have not thus far seen a technical explanation that attempts to address this, and I remain unconvinced that the output of the port is phase aligned with the output of the woofer. I think it is more likely that the situation is the same as it is with a dipole speaker, i.e., the two outputs are 180 degrees out of phase and therefore cancel in the overlap, leaving what is referred to as a "suck-out" at the overlap frequency.
I will probably regret having sold the Advent speakers a few years down the road, because I generally have eventually regretted getting rid of anything that I once liked, but practical considerations take precedence. If you are seriously interested in auditioning the Advent speakers, please provide your phone number.
Thanks,
Tom
=====Little over my head haha. After a little research it seems they where a bad a** speaker in the day, BUT only retailed for $112 or so. Although they where great in their day, $285 is still high. If these are in PERFECT working condition and blemish free I still dont know. My Yamaha's are a lower end NS-A837 model,but could a speaker that is easily 15 years older sound that much better? The more I think about it the more I don't know.
pretty good little write up about Advent http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does...exist
Ryan,
I have replaced the Advent speakers with a pair of smaller speakers that I built. They are significantly smaller in width, and they have a very different visual presentation, which to be honest was the primary motivation for building speakers to replace the Advents. I bought a nice subwoofer about a year ago, and with it, I didn't really need speakers as large and bass-capable as the Advent speakers. The speakers that I built from a kit are ported speakers, and although they are not as musical to my ear in the deep bass, this is something that I just have to accept.
Ported speakers improve sensitivity at low frequencies, but only relative to a given enclosure volume. It is often claimed that they store more energy as a consequence, but on this I am uncertain. I am inclined to think that if the frequency responses are essentially the same, that there should not be any difference in energy storage. But the question that remains unanswered to my satisfaction is the question of how the output from the port is caused to be in phase with the output from the woofer. In order to get a flat response overall, it is necessary that the port be tuned such that its output will overlap with the output of the woofer by the right amount at the right frequency. But for this to work in the way that it is assumed to work, the outputs must be in phase. I have not thus far seen a technical explanation that attempts to address this, and I remain unconvinced that the output of the port is phase aligned with the output of the woofer. I think it is more likely that the situation is the same as it is with a dipole speaker, i.e., the two outputs are 180 degrees out of phase and therefore cancel in the overlap, leaving what is referred to as a "suck-out" at the overlap frequency.
I will probably regret having sold the Advent speakers a few years down the road, because I generally have eventually regretted getting rid of anything that I once liked, but practical considerations take precedence. If you are seriously interested in auditioning the Advent speakers, please provide your phone number.
Thanks,
Tom
=====Little over my head haha. After a little research it seems they where a bad a** speaker in the day, BUT only retailed for $112 or so. Although they where great in their day, $285 is still high. If these are in PERFECT working condition and blemish free I still dont know. My Yamaha's are a lower end NS-A837 model,but could a speaker that is easily 15 years older sound that much better? The more I think about it the more I don't know.
pretty good little write up about Advent http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does...exist
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Re: Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"? (VRoy)
I like that guy; knowledgeable. His argument about phasing with a port is valid, but his belief that a port is 180deg out of phase is incorrect. It's actually constantly changing, and doesn't become destructively out of phase until below the tuning point. The musical purists, well, those that use a subwoofer that is, would use sealed speakers, and crossover to a sealed subwoofer(s). However, some of the highest priced speakers are not sealed designs.
Anyhow, about those Advent speakers, I don't know anything about them. You know more than me. I can only wonder what goals you have in mind and how those Advents fill/achieve those goals. Can another?
Anyhow, about those Advent speakers, I don't know anything about them. You know more than me. I can only wonder what goals you have in mind and how those Advents fill/achieve those goals. Can another?
Re: Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"? (Looneybomber)
The Yamaha's are a bit bass heavy and the mid-range is lacking. I'd like a cleaner, clearer, crisper sound. I'm not looking to drop a load on speakers just yet. Unless i come across a deal of course. I've browsed most of your threads Looney. The more I think about it, the more i think i maybe better off building my own. I dont want to spend the money and not be satisfied with the outcome though. Would much rather be able to demo the speakers before dropping the money on them. Sound seems to be to much of a personnel preference to leave up to reviews.
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Re: Advent Loudspeakers "Vintage"? (VRoy)
Listening before hand is always good. Being able to demo them in your own room with your own electronics is best, but usually not possible, especially in your price range.
If you can't listen to a certain speaker, you then have to go by testimonials of others and compare it to other speakers they've listened to. If for example, the person has some Klipsch RB-61's and they listened to some ABC-123 speaker and said they both sounded very similar and loved them both, well if you know you don't like the RB-61's (I didn't) then you probably won't like the ABC-123's.
The bad thing is that classic 3way design where you have a large woofer is out of style. Everything's gone to that slimmer tall tower with the additional subwoofer. There are a few choices still avalable, but Cerwin Vega is about the last one that isn't (1) super cheap, or (2) real expensive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ok, I'd like to address your current setup a bit. You say it's too bass heavy, and the midrange is lacking.
Can you tell which frequency ranges are too loud and which ones are too quiet?For example, when you say bass I'm thinking 60ish hertz and lower.Midrange for me would be say 500-2000hz
The reason I ask is it could be a placement issue, where certain frequencies are becoming augmented by constructive interference, meaning, the sound waves are combining and causing the sound to be unnatrually loud around a certain frequency.
With any room, speaker placement and room treatments are very important. A quote I read on an audio forum, "Putting a good speaker in a bad room is like driving a 911 on glare ice and blaming the awful handling on the car".
I'm not saying your speakers are awesome, I just want you to make sure they're in good spots and your room is adequately setup before replacing them and just perpetuating your existing problem.
If you can't listen to a certain speaker, you then have to go by testimonials of others and compare it to other speakers they've listened to. If for example, the person has some Klipsch RB-61's and they listened to some ABC-123 speaker and said they both sounded very similar and loved them both, well if you know you don't like the RB-61's (I didn't) then you probably won't like the ABC-123's.
The bad thing is that classic 3way design where you have a large woofer is out of style. Everything's gone to that slimmer tall tower with the additional subwoofer. There are a few choices still avalable, but Cerwin Vega is about the last one that isn't (1) super cheap, or (2) real expensive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ok, I'd like to address your current setup a bit. You say it's too bass heavy, and the midrange is lacking.
Can you tell which frequency ranges are too loud and which ones are too quiet?For example, when you say bass I'm thinking 60ish hertz and lower.Midrange for me would be say 500-2000hz
The reason I ask is it could be a placement issue, where certain frequencies are becoming augmented by constructive interference, meaning, the sound waves are combining and causing the sound to be unnatrually loud around a certain frequency.
With any room, speaker placement and room treatments are very important. A quote I read on an audio forum, "Putting a good speaker in a bad room is like driving a 911 on glare ice and blaming the awful handling on the car".
I'm not saying your speakers are awesome, I just want you to make sure they're in good spots and your room is adequately setup before replacing them and just perpetuating your existing problem.