Still waiting on my "education", Howie.Ace2cool wrote:Actually, let's do this. Cause I don't know as much as the next guy about it, since I pay into employer coverage and don't see anything of the market or however it works. I wanna see the purely liberal side, so I know you're the best option for me to learn about it.AZhitman wrote:Howie - If you had to explain OC to someone who knew nothing about the program, how would you do so?
You were asked to give a basic explanation of Obamacare, and instead post this drivel? Finding it hard to defend the indefensible?telcoman wrote:Look who is signing up
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2160977
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/ ... index.html
America isn’t better with ObamaCare
“More than 16 million Americans have gained health coverage thanks to the Affordable Care Act. #BetterWithObamacare,” another tweet said.
First, it’s important to analyze this White House white lie. While more Americans do in fact have health insurance in the wake of ObamaCare, the administration fails to point out that citizens are required by law to do so or pay a fine.
Second, let’s review how ObamaCare was passed in 2010. It happened in the middle of the night through a change in Senate rules and without a single Republican vote. Then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is now infamous for saying, “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
For example, having health insurance is not the same thing as having access to medical care or affordable coverage. The costs of health insurance premiums and deductibles have significantly increased, leaving families in even more dire financial situations. According to research from the Manhattan Institute, health insurance premiums for people living in a number of states across the country have gone up by more than 100 percent.
Overall, costs to the taxpayer have been enormous, with $2 billion spent on HealthCare.gov, which didn’t work properly for a year, and an estimated $2 trillion in addition to enforce ObamaCare over the next 10 years. Data from a Government Accountability Office report released in 2013 has been cited showing ObamaCare adds $6.2 trillion to the long-term U.S. deficit, a far cry from liberal claims that deficits would be reduced as a result of the law.
Absolute totaltelcoman wrote:Your math is incorrect
http://www.ihealthcareupdates.com/tools ... alculator/
http://www.pwc.com/us/en/health-industr ... ends.jhtml
"Many factors will affect health spending in 2015
Five years post-recession, more confident consumers – many newly insured – are revisiting doctors and driving up US health spending. Costly new cures today could result in long-term cost savings and improved quality of life. Even the large IT investments made now by merged health systems will eventually lead to savings through greater efficiency.
Other factors in the growth rate appear more durable, especially those that change behavior. Health systems and hospitals striving for “systemness,” for instance, are instilling a new philosophy about care delivery. More price savvy consumers shopping for value are also becoming affixed to the health culture."
Over time and the long run the ACA is going to reduce healthcare spending in the US which it was designed to do.
Had the GOP and the tea party not attempted to make our newly elected president a one term president and instead worked on making the ACA better we would be in a much better position.
Totally mucking up our democracy since 2008 is still having an effect today and will result in a welcome payback in 2016.
Telcoman
Ace2cool wrote: The question for Howie is:
HOW DOES OBAMACARE WORK?
It works like any other insurance plan.Ace2cool wrote: I want a direct answer. Period.
How the hell can my math be incorrect when the ACA site does the calculations?telcoman wrote:Your math is incorrect
Perhaps because that group only cares about themselves and fvuck everyone else.Isn't this the same group that opposes minimum wage increases?AZhitman wrote:[ It also screws entrepreneurs, independent business owners, and people in my age bracket. But no one gives a damn about us.
Abraham Lincoln said: “You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.” That is exactly what Obamacare does: It weakens those who take responsibility for their health, forcing them into a one-size-fits-all wealth redistribution scheme that restricts care to government-approved choices at a government-dictated price.telcoman wrote:Perhaps because that group only cares about themselves and fvuck everyone else. Isn't this the same group that opposes minimum wage increases?
Yeah. We're so heartless.telcoman wrote:Perhaps because that group only cares about themselves
No, you're thinking of a different group: Sane people.telcoman wrote:Isn't this the same group that opposes minimum wage increases?
Uh, no. Individualism and responsibility existed long before some silly partisan "foundation."telcoman wrote:The idea of individual responsibility that everyone have health insurance originated with the Heritage
Foundation.
Ditto. So, you're saying you only care about yourself? And F everyone else? (your words, not mine)telcoman wrote:I am in favor of everyone having and paying for their own health insurance and stop using costly hospital emergency rooms that just pass the charges on to those that do have insurance. Like me!
And I don't want to pay for someone else's health insurance. Why are your "wants" more important than mine?telcoman wrote:I don't want to pay for anyone that does not have health insurance.
That alone is all I need to see.Bubba1 wrote:My premiums jumped significantly since Obamacare began.
That's the problem. It's not that simple. My point is I think our premiums would increased a lot even without the ACA. How much more or less is a good question. That's why I'd be interested in seeing some unbiased non-partisan number crunching. I think you'll agree with me that most of the data for our consumption thus far has had political spin applied to it, which should make a reasonable person question its accuracy. Plus no one seems to be offering any better alternatives.AZhitman wrote:That alone is all I need to see.Bubba1 wrote:My premiums jumped significantly since Obamacare began.
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