ACORN now accused of Voter Fraud

[Cold_Zero]

Why doesn't this surprise me. ACORN being raided by Nevada State Officials for perpetrating voter fraud?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2...ation/

I have a feeling that this is going to be the 1960 Election all over again with voter fraud all over the place.bud

[96Qowner]

Yup. Detailed here with a cite:

zer...ilout

Been going on for a long time. Barry taught 'em how to do voter outreach, too. Swell, huh?

[Cold_Zero]

If Nevada passed something similar to the Indiana Voter ID law, they wouldn't have that big of a problem. Since ever voter has to show some form of government issued ID.bud

[Cold_Zero]

More potential fraud.http://elections.foxnews.com/2...oting/

[AZhitman]

Hmmmm....

Let's hop in our Delorean and go back to, oh, let's say, the Bush / Algore race?

Now, hear that screaming in the background? Those are Democrats, whining and whimpering, claiming improper counting cost "their guy" the election.

I'll expect to hear each and every one of them calling for a recount to make sure Barack doesn't have any illegitimate votes credited to him.



Where, oh where are the Dems? Aren't they normally up in arms about accurate vote-counting?

[Jesda]

Reminds me of when Dino Rossi ran for governor of Washington. He initially won, then Christine Gregoire and the WashDems called for recount after recount until she magically won.

[Cold_Zero]

In 1960, my grandfather was denied the ability to vote in West Virginia because the precinct books said he had already voted. So he appear before a judge to have the vote stricken (sine he didn't cast it) and be granted the ability to vote in the election.

[audtatious]

Voter-registration can't be totally fraud-free, group sayshttp://blog.cleveland.com/metr....html

A national voter-registration group admitted to Cuyahoga County election officials Tuesday that it cannot eliminate fraud from its operation.

The group blamed inefficiency and lack of resources for problems such as being unable to spot duplicate voter-registration cards or cards that may have been filled out by workers to make quotas.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, has turned in at least 65,000 cards to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections in the last year. The board has investigated potentially fraudulent cards since August.

The group has faced similar inquiries in other large Ohio counties. And Nevada state authorities recently raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters searching for evidence of fraud, according to the Associated Press.

Local representatives of the organization told Cuyahoga board members that they don't have the resources to identify fraudulent cards turned in by paid canvassers who are told to register low- and moderate-income voters.

Cuyahoga election workers flagged about 50 names on suspicious cards. The cards were to register the same names, raising the possibility that canvassers shared information when trying to make quotas.

"This is not something you can catch with your internal controls, apparently," said board member Sandy McNair at the meeting.

"Not perfectly, no," replied Mari Engelhardt, ACORN political director for Ohio.

Once stacks of registration cards are returned to ACORN offices, workers verify information by calling the phone number provided on the card, the board was told. If information is missing or ACORN identifies a suspicious card, it is given to the Board of Elections with a notice that it could be problematic.

ACORN workers who double-check cards can't be expected to remember names and addresses previously verified, said Teresa James, an attorney for Project Vote representing ACORN.

Engelhardt said supervisors sometimes fail to prevent different canvassers from attempting to register the same person.

"We do not have the resources to know if a particular card is fictitious," James said.

Voter-registration organizations cannot, by law, withhold registration cards from election boards. The groups are obligated to report potential errors, a spokesman for Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner told The Plain Dealer.

Kris Harsh, ACORN's head Cleveland organizer, blamed the elections board for not scrutinizing ACORN's suspicious cards. He said the group can't be expected to catch everything.

"None of us have ever achieved perfection," Harsh said.

The elections board will continue its inquiry Monday, when it expects testimony from three people it will subpoena after a review of the ACORN investigation. The names appeared on multiple registration cards submitted by ACORN and other organizations.

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Isn't that special. 65000 potential votes for Obama as I'm sure they are weeding out anyone who supports McCain. ....

Here's another article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con....html

From the Chicago Sun-Times which quotes one of ACORNs press releases:http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee....html

Michigan:http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259825

Sheesh.....I can find news articles of their fraud from just about every state.

[AZhitman]

Friggin' absurd.

So, explain to me again how it's appropriate to PAY people to go root around the trailer park looking for warm bodies to register to vote?

Know what? You Dems go ahead and take the election.

You can thank the homeless, the lazy, the welfare baby-mommas, the Jerry Springer watchers, the habitually unemployed, the drug addicts and the failed genetic experiments of liberal permissiveness for ALL your problems from now on.

As for me and my family, we'll be fine regardless of who is in office, because I don't count on bureaucrats and politicians anyway.

[HashiriyaS14]

You can thank the homeless, the lazy, the welfare baby-mommas, the Jerry Springer watchers, the habitually unemployed, the drug addicts and the failed genetic experiments of liberal permissiveness for ALL your problems from now on.

As for me and my family, we'll be fine regardless of who is in office, because I don't count on bureaucrats and politicians anyway.

^^Well, maybe not too "fine", as YOU and people like you will, of course, be responsible for supporting all the fine citizens you so lovingly detailed above. Society's winners must pay to support society's losers.

If you are deemed to be too "fine", some of that "fine" will be redistributed to people who don't have enough of it, no matter the reason..............................................................LOL, just screwing with you.

I don't believe any of that crap and I don't think that's how my candidate views the world either, but I know that's what many conservatives believe is the general ideology of the opposition. In some cases they're probably right, but I don't think it is in this case. Let's hope I'm right, because the guy is probably going to become President.

What I wrote is an example of leftist philosophy run wild, unchecked. The potential no-holds-barred sentiments of a similarly extreme take on right-wing philosophy are no less scary. We need to avoid convincing ourselves that the candidates somehow represent the most very extreme fringe sentiments of their respective parties, even though we always like to do that to ourselves roundabout election time.

[Cold_Zero]

Voter-registration can't be totally fraud-free, group says

Indiana's Voter ID law is a very good start. I would think that technically ACORN couldnt pull this **** because they would have to cut government issue ID cards to the fraudulent voters.

I like the fact that with my vote isnt being diluted among a bunch of fraudulent votes. Who has the backwards state now.. Telco? j/k

[audtatious]

Indiana's Voter ID law is a very good start. I would think that technically ACORN couldnt pull this **** because they would have to cut government issue ID cards to the fraudulent voters.

I like the fact that with my vote isnt being diluted among a bunch of fraudulent votes. Who has the backwards state now.. Telco? j/k

County rejects large number of invalid voter registrations http://www.nwi.com/articles/20...5.txt

CROWN POINT | Lake County Republican Chairman John Curley wants a federal investigation into hundreds of voter registrations bearing fictitious signatures or the names of dead and underage people.

"Fraudulent applications are the workings of ACORN groups operating from Milwaukee and Chicago who are getting out the vote for Obama. I'm Republican, but I want everyone who should vote to vote. But I want a clean election," Curley said at a Wednesday news conference.

Lake County elections officials acknowledged they have found problems and had to reject a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms turned in recently by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, an activist group that conducted registration drives across the county this summer.

An ACORN spokesperson couldn't be reached Wednesday for comment. Telephones to ACORN offices in Gary, Indianapolis, Chicago and Milwaukee were reported to be disconnected.

Curley acknowledges the work of the county elections board to weed out obviously invalid applications, but said more may have slipped into the voter rolls so he wants U.S. Attorney David Capp to conduct a criminal investigation.

Elections Board Director Sally LaSota and Ruthann Hoagland, a county elections board technologist overseeing voter registration, said Wednesday it appears some ACORN vote canvassers pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged their signatures.

Curley said one registration form was filled out in the name and address of Jimmy John's, a Crown Point fast-food outlet. Another registration, dated in August, is in the name of a Gary man who died Nov. 16, 2007, according to his death certificate.

Hoagland said large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style.

LaSota and Hoagland said they instructed ACORN on how to legally register voters, but apparently the organization's canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid. They said ACORN organizers promised to fire workers who were cheating.

LaSota said hundreds of legitimate potential voters may be unable to cast a ballot in the Nov. 4 general election because ACORN delivered incomplete registrations just recently to the county. LaSota said her staff won't have enough time to research, complete and enter legitimate voter registrations before the mid-month deadline.

[Cold_Zero]

Yeah,St Joe, Lake and Marion Counties, I should have known. I dont see ACORN fighting for the residents of Cass or Tipton County. Maybe becaues ACORN would really have nothing to gain there. But hey, the Law has passed Muster via the Supreme Court.

[audtatious]

I have no problem presenting a Gov-issued ID card in order to vote. I think that was very smart and wish the other states would do the same.

I still question what all of this will iron out to. Just because they were able to get "real" people to register does not mean those people will bother to vote on election day. Maybe they will have food and beer provided at the voting locations?

Who knows.

[szh]

ACORN is now being investigated in seven different states: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=191293.

Z

[Jesda]

What I wrote is an example of leftist philosophy run wild, unchecked. The potential no-holds-barred sentiments of a similarly extreme take on right-wing philosophy are no less scary. We need to avoid convincing ourselves that the candidates somehow represent the most very extreme fringe sentiments of their respective parties, even though we always like to do that to ourselves roundabout election time.

If Obama isn't part of the far-left, he should kick Ayers and ACORN to the curb.

I dislike him about as much as I dislike McCain for policy reasons, but on a personal level Obama's associations disturb me.

Democrats who aren't far-left whackos:Governor SebeliusFormer President Clinton..and many more.

[ishkabibble]

You can thank the homeless, the lazy, the welfare baby-mommas, the Jerry Springer watchers, the habitually unemployed, the drug addicts and the failed genetic experiments of liberal permissiveness for ALL your problems from now on.

Thanks, 240 General!

[AZhitman]

Thanks, 240 General!

[Cold_Zero]

Uh oh....WXNT

(INDIANAPOLIS, IN) -- Marion County is in the spotlight today with allegations of voter fraud. The blogosphere is buzzing with reports that 105% of Marion County's eligible voters have registered to vote. As of Monday evening, 677,401 voters have registered. However, according to STATSIndiana, in 2007, Marion County had an estimated 644,197 eligible voters -- a difference of 33,204 persons.

Marion County is not alone. Indiana, now considered by many to be a battleground state in this year's presidential election, has several counties investigating voter irregularities. Ohio has been criticized for allowing new voters to obtain an absentee ballot at the same time they register. In Nevada, eleven separate investigations have been launched into voter registration group ACORN. And, Fox News reporters in the state of Missouri found 10 registration boxes with the same name and signature.

[Cold_Zero]

Apparently, ACORN states that the crack down on their voter registration effort is an attempt to suppress disenfranchised votes and they are just doing what the government should be doing (registering voters who can not navigate the process).

It's the Governments responsibility to find people and register therm to vote? How is it the governments job to get lazy people to register for a civic responsibility?

Apparently Jimmy Johns was registered multiple times in Marion County. I demand the government crack down on this Jimmy...

[Jesda]

Best sandwiches ever. That company deserves a hundred votes.

[audtatious]

Ahhh.....looks like Obama has promised to let groups like ACORN shape his presidency if he is elected. Wonder how this is going to change now that the activities of these groups help lead us to the current sub-prime mortgage crisis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

[themadscientist]

one more reason for making presenting valid ID at polling places a requirement to vote.

[smockers83]

Ahhh.....looks like Obama has promised to let groups like ACORN shape his presidency if he is elected. Wonder how this is going to change now that the activities of these groups help lead us to the current sub-prime mortgage crisis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a sec there. Didn't he just say he wanted to get rid of special interest groups during the last debate? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[smockers83]

Apparently, ACORN states that the crack down on their voter registration effort is an attempt to suppress disenfranchised votes and they are just doing what the government should be doing (registering voters who can not navigate the process).

It's the Governments responsibility to find people and register therm to vote? How is it the governments job to get lazy people to register for a civic responsibility?

Well, those types of people aren't always civil. And I think what they meant was that they couldn't navigate themselves to an office to register, because they either didn't want to, were too cracked out to do so, or have settled into accepting their life as it is.

[audtatious]

Kinda interesting I guess:

http://www.gop.com/NEWS/NewsRe...38651

[audtatious]

Clever Obama Tries To Bury ACORN Past By: Lowell Ponte

“Barack Obama never organized with ACORN,” reads one of the banners on Barack Obama’s Web site, “Fight the Smears,” http://www.fightthesmears.org.

One apparent aim of the site is to distance Obama from the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, whose operatives are being investigated for potential voter fraud in at least 13 states.

“Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer,” the Web site continues.

“Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.

“Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.”

The accuracy of these denials depends in part on their lawyerly wording, on “what the meaning of ‘is’ is,” in former President Bill Clinton’s sophistic phrase.

No one has accused the Illinois senator of having “organized with ACORN” or having been “an ACORN community organizer,” so these denials seem either misplaced or sleight of hand to distract from what his actual ACORN connections have been.

Toni Foulkes, longtime Chicago ACORN leader and a member of ACORN’s National Association Board, says the organization “invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office.”

Obama did give training to ACORN leaders every year from 1993 until at least 2003, when Foulkes published an article saying these things about him in the winter 2003 issue of the journal Social Policy.

Obama also reportedly helped train the staff of a high-ranking ACORN leader Madeline Talbott, later arrested for heading up a disruptive confrontation between ACORN protesters and the Chicago City Council described in a recent Newsmax investigation.

ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg is referenced in the Oct. 11 New York Times as acknowledging that, in Times’ reporter Stephanie Strom’s words, “Mr. Obama conducted two leadership training sessions of roughly an hour each for ACORN’s Chicago affiliate over a three-year period in the late 1990s. He was not paid for that work, Mr. Goldberg said."

So ACORN now says that Obama did training for the organization. But because Obama did these training sessions without pay, and because to hire means “to employ someone for a wage or fee,” it is technically correct to say he was never “hired” to do so.

ACORN both selected and paid Barack Obama as a lawyer in 1995 to sue the state of Illinois to compel implementation of a law known as Motor-Voter. ACORN, however, now says it was only one of several plaintiffs in the case and hence that it would be wrong to say Obama was the organization’s lawyer. But ACORN was the lead plaintiff, and therefore the case is recorded as ACORN, et al. v. Edgar (then-Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar).

In 1992 Obama became Illinois’ statewide head of Project Vote, a 501(c)(3) organization that is required to be nonpartisan to retain its tax-exempt status. The Obama campaign Web site says, “ACORN was not part of Project Vote.” Critics argue that the reverse is true.

In fact, Obama said during a speech to ACORN leaders in November: When “I ran the Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.”

Veteran journalist Karen Tumulty and two of her colleagues described Project Vote in the Oct. 18, 2004, issue of Time magazine as “a nonpartisan arm of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now” after interviewing its national director.

And the co-founder and then head of ACORN itself, former Students for a Democratic Society new leftist Wade Rathke described Project Vote, in 2004 as one of ACORN’s “family of organizations.”

As Newsmax reported last week, Rathke spun off nearly 100 legal entities from ACORN and moved large amounts of money among them. Rathke left the organization this year after it came to light that his brother had diverted almost a million dollars from ACORN coffers.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the New York Times that a significant part of Project Vote’s revenues today flow to ACORN and various of its affiliates as payment for services. But LaBolt contends that Project Vote and ACORN were not as intertwined in 1992 when Obama ran Project Vote. This month, LaBolt has been telling reporters that Obama had never been “an ACORN trainer.”

It “wasn’t until after Mr. Obama’s tenure had ended that (Project Vote) began to conduct projects more frequently with ACORN than with other community-based organizations,” Project Vote founder attorney Sanford A. Newman wrote in a letter to the Wall Street Journal. Note that this lawyerly letter never denies Project Vote’s deep involvement with ACORN.

“To say that Obama didn’t work for ACORN is just playing word games,” wrote Matthew Vadum of the Capital Research Center, co-author of an investigation titled Barack Obama: A Radical Leftist’s Journey from Community Organizing to Politics.

“It would be like a Sam’s Club employee indignantly insisting he didn’t work for Wal-Mart,” Vadum said. “It boggles the mind why anyone would deny such easily verifiable facts.”

Obama’s critics say he has been remarkably successful at burying his ACORN past until now, in large part with help from liberal allies in the national media who refuse to scrutinize Obama with the same probing investigations they aim at his opponents.

In a story reminiscent of George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” whose hero works in a government office rewriting history to erase Big Brother’s past mistakes, the Oct. 9th Cleveland Leader reported, “Attempts to hide evidence of Obama’s involvement in ACORN have included wiping the Web clean of potentially damaging articles.”

The above-mentioned Foulkes article that discussed Obama’s training of ACORN leaders recently was pulled from the Social Policy Web site, the Leader reported. Although this makes information about Obama’s past harder to find for journalists and voters, the Leader noted, scholarly duplicates of the Web retain copies of such texts despite any Orwellian efforts to rewrite Barack Obama’s past.

Los Angeles Times reporters Letta Tayler and Keith Herbert tried to clarify Obama’s past and found getting a clear fix on him elusive.

“Further blurring the picture,” they wrote on March 2, are Barack Obama’s “descriptions of community organizing in his youthful memoir, ‘Dreams From My Father,’ in which he admits he disguises names, creates composite characters, switches some chronologies, and uses ‘approximation’ of dialogue.”

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Wall of text Fo-Realz....

[HashiriyaS14]

COLOR ME PUNISHED.

You could've just linked it, lol.

[audtatious]

You must punish yourself for using a pic with the "N" word and there is simply too much info for me to try and throw into a Cliffs Notes or I would.

[96Qowner]

Just another Obama supporter who doesn't want to know.