Abortion Rights

[AZhitman]

Therefore it is best left to trained professionals in our public schools where children receive facts, counseling, birth control and guidence on how to properly handle these types of situations.

Half the teachers in public schools don't even have kids. Many are single parents. Who are they to teach "facts"?

"Trained professionals"? Like the gym teacher? Are you aware of the requirements to become a public school teacher?

AND, as soon as they do, some libbie will cry to the administration that they're preaching "morality".

It's a double-edged sword, and it's NOT the job of the government to educate my children on appropriate choices.

[HashiriyaS14]

It's a double-edged sword, and it's NOT the job of the government to educate my children on appropriate choices.

Well, despite the fact that you're a good parent, the system has to be organized around the crappy parents who WON'T teach their kids anything. Again, lowest common denominator is what's going to set the rules.

On a TOTALLY different note, I think it's preposterous that a mother is allowed to get an abortion when the father is willing and able to take the kid. I actually didn't even know that until Hitman said it awhile back, but I forgot to mention it. That is a STUPID rule.

[96Qowner]

i also believe that an absolute, religion based ban, would be detrimental to our society as a whole. its good bye clinics, hello coat hangers. its incredibly sad that our country's future rests on promised nominations like these.

Just to clarify. On the very slim chance that Roe v Wade were ever overturned, it would, as I pointed out, merely allow individual States to make their own laws about it. If anyone truly believes that every State would outlaw abortion, then he also has to admit that a majority of each and every State in the Union wants abortion banned. That wouldn't happen. Very few States could muster a majority to ban abortion.

[AZhitman]

...and States' rights are something that I fully support.

Then again, why not make it based on popular vote? The Left is always clamoring for that, so let's get it on!

[Repo Man]

Are you able to reach her parents? Perhaps informing them that you love their daughter might help? I just hope they are not gun avocates?

Yes, because anyone that owns guns is foaming at the mouth, hoping to get the excuse to shoot anyone that comes along. I don't know where you get your view on gun owners, but it's pathetic.

[telcoman]

Yes, because anyone that owns guns is foaming at the mouth, hoping to get the excuse to shoot anyone that comes along. I don't know where you get your view on gun owners, but it's pathetic.

You just have to read the newspapers. Very very few instances of anyone preventing a crime by the use of a gun. Most end up getting killed. There was a recent case in Texas where an individual shot robbers at his neighbors house but INMHO not worth the legal hassle he got himself into.We had a few young people killed by guns at HS graduation parties in just the past week

While in Alaska I was very happy that our female guide was carrying a gun. We did get to see a large bear plucking a large salmon out of the water.

However for those of us living in large cities, driving on congested roads, shopping in the mall there is no longer a need for the vast majority of Americans to carry a gun. Too many road rage incidents end in someone getting shot or killed. Many of those carrying guns have no legitimate need, not qualified or mentally unstable. Gun shows will sell to anyone that has the $$$. We have to take a drivers test in this country before a state allows a driver on the road. Pilots need to train and get a pilots license before they can fly an airplane.Our federal government should do the same for those that insist on their so called second amendment right to own and carry a gun. This would include classroom, training, range practice, mental testing and background and criminal checks. A couple of thousand dollars in fees annually will make me feel much better.For those that have a legitimate business and carry large sums of cash its just another deductable business expense. For all others tough #hit.

Telcoman

[Repo Man]

You just have to read the newspapers. Very very few instances of anyone preventing a crime by the use of a gun. Most end up getting killed.

There you go again. Believing everything that the papers write and taking it all as gospel. You're NOT going to read about citizens using guns to defend themselves successfully because of the left-slanted media not reporting it. Hell, that's GOOD news! Can't report that! And where did you get "most end up getting killed"? You need to quit posting what you can't back up.

We had a few young people killed by guns at HS graduation parties in just the past week

Those kids were killed by other people, the guns can't do anything by themselves. They could have used ball bats, knives, lead pipes, whatever. Point is that they would still be dead.

While in Alaska I was very happy that our female guide was carrying a gun.

So, you're perfectly comfortable with putting your life into the hands of others for safe keeping. Some of us like to take responsibility for our own well-being, as well as our actions.

However for those of us living in large cities, driving on congested roads, shopping in the mall there is no longer a need for the vast majority of Americans to carry a gun.

Who are you to decide who "needs" to carry a gun and who doesn't? I would really like a clear answer here because your self-righteous attitude and ignorance is sickening.

Gun shows will sell to anyone that has the $$$.

When was the last time you were at a gun show? This is another completely ignorant statement from you telcoman. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. This is disinformation that I'm sure you got from someplace like your precious Times newspaper and you need to stop posting stuff like that.

Our federal government should do the same for those that insist on their so called second amendment right to own and carry a gun.

Well guess what? The Supreme Court has ruled that I DO have the right to own a gun, which is something that anyone with a basic level of literacy can see for themselves. That same right applies to you too, not that you would exercise it. No, you would be the one that calls the police then huddles in a corner and hopes nothing bad will happen when the home invader decides to come after your wife and kids.

The Second Amendment is just one thing that separates us from communist/socialist nations around the world.

For those that have a legitimate business and carry large sums of cash its just another deductable business expense. For all others tough #hit.

So, cash is more important than human life? The cash in my pocket is worth more than my wife's life is? Those are some messed up priorities man.

[AZhitman]

If someone were endangering telco's life, I'd still shoot them.

But then, he'd have to post a retraction for all the misinformation he spews...

Are you aware of the process for purchasing a gun?

Do you support mandatory sentencing laws for people who commit gun-related crimes? (most libbies don't)

Would you be OK with executing someone who kills with a gun? (again, most libbies aren't)

Are you aware if your guide had any formal training to carry? Was she mentally stable? Are you a clinician?

Maybe you should move to a city with less gun-related violence.

Maybe you should also look at the PEOPLE who are committing these crimes - Theyre NOT guys like Repo, they're gangsterass punk thugs who will never contribute anything meaningful to society... they didn't get their guns at a gun show, they stole them, or bought them at a pawn shop (who the right-wing would LOVE to close down but the libbies defend their right to remain open), or they traded drugs for them...

The point is, you got your right to marry your gay lover, you got your right to abort your unborn baby, you got your right to burn a flag, you got your right to picket in front of my office and make me late for dinner...

I get the right to carry a firearm.

Get over yourself, brother.

p.s. If you're so incensed, maybe you should GET INVOLVED in the political process.

Better yet, become a mentor.. a Big Brother... volunteer at a camp for troubled teens... Help an unwed mother with day care...

But for God's sake, whining without action is just unAmerican.

[Cold_Zero]

That is the ironic thing, most people who support more regulations and laws and making it tougher to buy weapons (specifically handguns) dont understand the current process to purchase weapons.

Guess what at gun shows you have to have a background check done. And most times its done right there on the spot by a FFL dealer. Someone who has gone through the Federal Licensing process to sell firearms. Jeez

I was carrying last night in the Mexican Restaurant that we eat at last night. When I went to go pay I saw the woman behind me turn to her husband, whisper in his ear something about my Glock. Truth be told, I think people in urban areas have just as much right and need to carry than people in Rural or Wilderness areas.

Telcoman, for every 1 story that you can present about your friends being shot or even news articles from the NY Times, Post or local papers I can present 5 of Lawful Armed Citizens protecting their lives, families and property with firearms. I must warn you if you want to get into a pissing contest you will loose. I subscribe to American Rifleman Magazine where typically 10 news articles are printed (a Month) of people defending themselves.

Also, you are going to loose the debate on fire arms and the 2nd Amendment to Repo. Trust me, I think he has read every book, explored every argument and in my book is an authority on the issue. Its best to sit back listen to what he has to say and try to process these perils of wisdom. I always hate to see perils cast before swines.bud

[HashiriyaS14]

If someone were endangering telco's life, I'd still shoot them.

But then, he'd have to post a retraction for all the misinformation he spews...

Are you aware of the process for purchasing a gun?

Do you support mandatory sentencing laws for people who commit gun-related crimes? (most libbies don't)

Would you be OK with executing someone who kills with a gun? (again, most libbies aren't)

Are you aware if your guide had any formal training to carry? Was she mentally stable? Are you a clinician?

Maybe you should move to a city with less gun-related violence.

Maybe you should also look at the PEOPLE who are committing these crimes - Theyre NOT guys like Repo, they're gangsterass punk thugs who will never contribute anything meaningful to society... they didn't get their guns at a gun show, they stole them, or bought them at a pawn shop (who the right-wing would LOVE to close down but the libbies defend their right to remain open), or they traded drugs for them...

The point is, you got your right to marry your gay lover, you got your right to abort your unborn baby, you got your right to burn a flag, you got your right to picket in front of my office and make me late for dinner...

I get the right to carry a firearm.

Get over yourself, brother.

p.s. If you're so incensed, maybe you should GET INVOLVED in the political process.

Better yet, become a mentor.. a Big Brother... volunteer at a camp for troubled teens... Help an unwed mother with day care...

But for God's sake, whining without action is just unAmerican.

^^See, this is what I'd call "cross-aisle conservatism". Beautiful stuff, can we get a President who says stuff like this?

I'm not necessarily vouching for every piece of information on the pro-gun side in this thread, but I am definitely vouching for Greg's post here.

Why would the left want to keep pawn shops open but the right want to close them? Isn't that government interference on a segment of private enterprise? I'd guess it to be the other way around.

Take Payday loan stores. I see no real issue with them and I don't consider it "predatory lending", as there's quite obviously a demand for it and I think that the interest rates are appropriate given the risk of the borrowers.

I don't really have an issue with pawn shops either. Honestly, what's to stop stores from just instituting "buy/sell" practices if "pawning" itself were to go away? People are always going to want to sell their stuff for cash, that's not something you can change with legislation.

I'm not sure I'd allow pawn shops to sell firearms though, I think that's just asking for trouble. If you want to trade guns for cash that's fine, but that should be the purview of real dedicated gun stores, IMO.

[AZhitman]

Why would the left want to keep pawn shops open but the right want to close them? I'd guess it to be the other way around.

Right: Because they attract an "unsavory" element and reduce nearby property values... They become law enfocement "hot spots" on a cluster map.

Left: They provide a necessary "crutch" for the addict (who's simply got an illness) and help the downtrodden of society put their next meal on the table.

Same with payday loan companies... I don't care about predatory lending. I care about my property value. But not enough to support governmental intervention (at least at the Federal level).

Hash, if I had the funds, I still wouldn't piss it all away running for office. Which is too bad, because there's a lot of middle-class citizens who'd make a damn fine Commander-in-Chief.