A winner?

[OriginalWheelman]

I can't believe all the speeches have gone off already. Most of the big states they credit to Obama are less than 50% in, and in many states the vote is less than 100k people apart. What about absentee ballots? The final counts aren't even in and Obama is about to give his acceptance speech. I think this is going to end up like Bush v Gore with lots of recounts and I fully expect the electoral vote count, if not the election result, to change by the time all the votes come in. Now I'm not saying it's likely that McCain will win, in fact it looks very dire, but the close states and the ones that are not in could easily change the winner. Am I the only one upset by this? I mean seriously what happened to "every vote counts"? Not even all the STATES have been counted yet!

[480sx]

McCains conceded, pretty sure theres not going to be any recounts heh.

[OriginalWheelman]

McCains conceded, pretty sure theres not going to be any recounts heh.

Didn't Gore concede before the recounts?

[ishkabibble]

Stats owns you. Not a chance of that happening.

[spooled240]

I think McCain is too far behind to even make a case for that.

[OriginalWheelman]

Are you guys looking at the same numbers I am? Did you even listen? What I'm complaining about is not all the votes are in, most states are HALF in OR LESS and they are declaring a winner! THAT is what I am mad about. Look at the vote totals on a lot of the states that are credited to Obama, a lot fo them are LESS THAN 100K VOTES APART. I'm saying that when all the votes are counted McCain COULD still win, if you read correctly , I said that it is unlikely that McCain will win. I'm disgusted at how they devalued the vote of everyone on the west coast who haven't been counted yet and all the people who have yet to be reported in the east. My point is the count is not even done yet and everyone is acting like its over.

[ishkabibble]

That's how it works.

[slyedog240sx]

the electoral votes are what did it.

[E7-S14]

i understand what your trying to saybut there are people whos jobs it is to forecast these things.

so im guessing there doing something right by correctly predicting this.

im sure before there was a Widespread decision that ALL possible outcomes were calculated

[OriginalWheelman]

the electoral votes are what did it.

The electoral votes that are not fully earned yet. OMG are you paying attention? They are counting PROJECTED ELECTORAL VOTES AND DECLARING A WINNER BASED ON PROJECTIONS! They are declaring him winner based on EXIT POLLS! I'm just saying count all the damned votes before you declare a winner. Otherwise it's just going to create problems when / if the electoral votes don't come out the way the exit polls determine. We have until January to count them all, why do we need to declare a winner tonight?

[Cold_Zero]

Didn't Gore concede before the recounts?

He did concede before he asked for the recount in Florida and Ohio.

[Cold_Zero]

The electoral votes that are not fully earned yet. OMG are you paying attention? They are counting PROJECTED ELECTORAL VOTES AND DECLARING A WINNER BASED ON PROJECTIONS! They are declaring him winner based on EXIT POLLS! I'm just saying count all the damned votes before you declare a winner. Otherwise it's just going to create problems when / if the electoral votes don't come out the way the exit polls determine.

Three words my friend "Dewey Defeats Truman."

[ishkabibble]

They will be close enough to call the election ahead of time. This was not a close race (in the Electoral sense)

[OriginalWheelman]

As I'm looking right now:

Close but to ObamaOhio - Obama ahead by 70,333 votes (20 electorals that could change)Virginia - Obama ahead by 118,445 (13)Florida - Obama by 168,829 (27)

Close uncalledIndiana - 14,780 votes apart, (11 up for grabs)North Carolina - 18,914 apart (15 up)

Not even inCA - 10% in (55)WA - 32% in (11)OR - 40% in (7)NV - 11% in (5)All tagged Obama ALREADY somehow

*DISCLAIMER* This is a hypothetical scenario, I know it is unlikely, but POSSIBLE is all I'm saying.

If only Ohio and Florida turn out to be for McCain, and he cleans up the rest of the close states he could win.

My point is count the damned votes FIRST. That is all.

[Crautz240]

As I'm looking right now:

Close but to ObamaOhio - Obama ahead by 70,333 votes (20 electorals that could change)Virginia - Obama ahead by 118,445 (13)Florida - Obama by 168,829 (27)

Close uncalledIndiana - 14,780 votes apart, (11 up for grabs)North Carolina - 18,914 apart (15 up)

Not even inCA - 10% in (55)WA - 32% in (11)OR - 40% in (7)NV - 11% in (5)All tagged Obama ALREADY somehow

*DISCLAIMER* This is a hypothetical scenario, I know it is unlikely, but POSSIBLE is all I'm saying.

If only Ohio and Florida turn out to be for McCain, and he cleans up the rest of the close states he could win.

My point is count the damned votes FIRST. That is all.

I was wondering the same damn thing... and i understand you 100%, whether Obama did win or not... they should not declare a winner off of projections and exit polls... HOW HAVE WE NOT LEARNED... it has happened in 2000 and 2004 both times the exit polls were wrong... im not saying they are this time, in fact im pretty sure they arent, but omfg are they seriously this dense that they are going to do the same stupid **** again??

[Jesda]

It really is bad form to project an election early on, especially after 2000.

[spooled240]

I know what you're saying cuz that's what I was wondering myself. They declared a winner but they were also not done counting a **** load of votes.

But when it was all said and done, Obama had even more electoral college votes than mcCain. Theoretically McCain could still win, but the chances of him completely winning all of the remaining states and winning is really slim.

[rmezz13]

I can't believe all the speeches have gone off already. Most of the big states they credit to Obama are less than 50% in, and in many states the vote is less than 100k people apart. What about absentee ballots? The final counts aren't even in and Obama is about to give his acceptance speech. I think this is going to end up like Bush v Gore with lots of recounts and I fully expect the electoral vote count, if not the election result, to change by the time all the votes come in. Now I'm not saying it's likely that McCain will win, in fact it looks very dire, but the close states and the ones that are not in could easily change the winner. Am I the only one upset by this? I mean seriously what happened to "every vote counts"? Not even all the STATES have been counted yet!

I explained this to you before (lastnight).... LOL its sucks but its how it works. I even had my sister sitting with me reading the forum (she works for the republican party, in campaign advertising - they had the McCain account) and was critiquing what i was explaining to you....

[Vista Sucks!]

I can't believe all the speeches have gone off already. Most of the big states they credit to Obama are less than 50% in, and in many states the vote is less than 100k people apart. What about absentee ballots? The final counts aren't even in and Obama is about to give his acceptance speech. I think this is going to end up like Bush v Gore with lots of recounts and I fully expect the electoral vote count, if not the election result, to change by the time all the votes come in. Now I'm not saying it's likely that McCain will win, in fact it looks very dire, but the close states and the ones that are not in could easily change the winner. Am I the only one upset by this? I mean seriously what happened to "every vote counts"? Not even all the STATES have been counted yet!

Well, there's no question about it now, Barack Hussein Obama is officially now your President.

[wingFeather]

I can't believe all the speeches have gone off already. Most of the big states they credit to Obama are less than 50% in, and in many states the vote is less than 100k people apart.

Glad I'm not the only one who felt this election was rigged.

[HashiriyaS14]

Glad I'm not the only one who felt this election was rigged.

This was a LANDSLIDE victory.

6% popular vote margin and (with NC and MO still counting) a 186 EV margin.

You can't "rig" a landslide, not unless you're willing to buy in to some wild conspiracy theory. Stuff like that doesn't happen, it isn't possible.

If it was a 5000 vote margin in one state that decided the election, sure, then complain all you want. That's not what happened, a LANDSLIDE happened.

America has chosen.

Anyone complaining about the states getting called the way they did doesn't understand how states get called. The media was quite conservative with it this year, not calling OH and VA until it was 100% obvious that they were going blue.

You don't need to know every vote in a state to call it. If the blue areas are staying blue and some red areas are going blue, you can call it without waiting for every vote.

i.e. if Obama is winning PA before Philly gets counted (oversimplified fictional example), you can call PA for Obama, because Philly is obviously going to be blue. Get it?