A realistic HP goal...

[simmode1]

I'm curious as to what you N/A KA(de) gurus think is a realistic HP goal with the mods listed below. I'm hoping for 170whp or better. Extremely open to suggestions...

Power mods:short ram intakeOBX Header/downpipe w/ test pipe & EGR Delete3' catback exhaust (is this too much?)248/232 cam swapZ32 MAF (is this really needed?)And a good tune...

Drivetrain mods:Exedy stage 1 clutchFidanza 11 lbs flywheelaluminum drive shaftAltima e-fanCrank pully (what kind to get?)

I really should get wider tires too. I know that would help. Do you think 170+ whp is possible with this?
Modified by simmode1 at 12:29 AM 10/9/2007

[xckid]

I cant really tell you much because im dont know and im not sure on what would give you more hp, but Dont slap on wider tires just yet if anything they'll slow you down your going to be having all this traction to layout but not enough power. As far as mods your on the right track, its going to cost though. Search and you will see other ppl have posted About all n/a

[Fla240sx]

z32 maf is unnescceary

[simmode1]

I cant really tell you much because im dont know and im not sure on what would give you more hp, but Dont slap on wider tires just yet if anything they'll slow you down your going to be having all this traction to layout but not enough power. As far as mods your on the right track, its going to cost though. Search and you will see other ppl have posted About all n/a

Lol! I did search! That's how I came up with the list! lol!

Anywayz... when I 1st started coming to Nico club, I remember a guy with similar mods posted his dyno sheet reading 159whp. But he was still running a cat and had a stock MAF. I'll look for the thread again, but I think they were saying using a test pipe and switch from N60 maf vs a G60 maf (or something like that no idea what the N60 or G60's are. I just assumed it was the stock vs z32 maf. my bad i guess).

That guy didn't do the cam swap though. Maybe it's possible?

And it DOESN'T cost that much actually. The reason I'm doing this is to show viable, effective and low cost upgrades for the ka. The most expensive thing on this list is the clutch, flywheel and driveshaft. And I already did those like a year ago! lol! The power adders are all dirt cheap!
Modified by simmode1 at 7:25 AM 10/9/2007

[Fla240sx]

yeah people act like its so expensive to do N/A mods and scream go turbo

for the cost of a new bare bones name brand turbo you can get these:

IntakeHeaderTest pipeCatbackCrank pulleyLight FlywheelJunkyard E-Fan

just a turbo sitting in a box won't give you the satisfaction of those mods!

those mods should be worth a good 15+whp

the G60 maf is out of a 4th gen Maxima I believe, I know its a maxima, I don't know exactly what year... a search will come up with a lot

I think its a plug and play upgrade for the DOHC owners, while the Z32 will require custom wiring(not hard but still) and a tune or S-AFC

[niemczykj]

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[simmode1]

yeah people act like its so expensive to do N/A mods and scream go turbo

for the cost of a new bare bones name brand turbo you can get these:

IntakeHeaderTest pipeCatbackCrank pulleyLight FlywheelJunkyard E-Fan

just a turbo sitting in a box won't give you the satisfaction of those mods!

those mods should be worth a good 15+whp

the G60 maf is out of a 4th gen Maxima I believe, I know its a maxima, I don't know exactly what year... a search will come up with a lot

I think its a plug and play upgrade for the DOHC owners, while the Z32 will require custom wiring(not hard but still) and a tune or S-AFC

Glad I found someone who agrees! I went and searched some more. It seems a user named Bigvinnie recommends the N60 maf from the J30 or 89-94 maxima.

zer...age=1 .

I know it'll need tuning, but I wonder if it is a direct swap in...?

[redtop91]

MAF is a total waste of money. The stocker will read more than you will ever lay down NA.

[ss82480]

You planning on getting an ECU tune or at least a piggy back to git r dun? I think 170whp is a bit high for those mods, however it also can depend on what kind of shape your motor is already in. I would say closer to 160-165whp tops.

The reason I say this is because I put down 148whp with similiar mods minus the flywheel and driveshaft. And that was with a SAFC tune. Let me know how it goes I love seeing NA KA dyno sheets!

[simmode1]

You planning on getting an ECU tune or at least a piggy back to git r dun? I think 170whp is a bit high for those mods, however it also can depend on what kind of shape your motor is already in. I would say closer to 160-165whp tops.

The reason I say this is because I put down 148whp with similiar mods minus the flywheel and driveshaft. And that was with a SAFC tune. Let me know how it goes I love seeing NA KA dyno sheets!

I'd be happy with 160-165whp, especially if my torque stays higher than the hp and my limiters are gone. My motor is in ok condition. Not terrible, but not great either. A few leaks here and there with lots of valve tic noises. I'll be squaring these issues away as I do the cam swap. I'll be honest, though. I don't really know alot about SAFC tuning. I know I'll need/want one, but I gotta read up more on it. I'm thinking, "Take it to Alamo and see what they can pull out of it..."

Since you're local, maybe we'll hang sometime when I get this car all sorted out or after I cop my s14...

[ss82480]

Yeah bro I went to them and had them tune my SAFC on the dyno... If I remember correctly the squeezed about 5whp with it. If you have any questions gimme a hollar or email me.

[Import_Ant]

I'm curious as to what you N/A KA(de) gurus think is a realistic HP goal with the mods listed below. I'm hoping for 170whp or better. Extremely open to suggestions...

Power mods:short ram intakeOBX Header/downpipe w/ test pipe & EGR Delete3' catback exhaust (is this too much?)248/232 cam swapZ32 MAF (is this really needed?)And a good tune...

Drivetrain mods:Exedy stage 1 clutchFidanza 11 lbs flywheelaluminum drive shaftAltima e-fanCrank pully (what kind to get?)

I really should get wider tires too. I know that would help. Do you think 170+ whp is possible with this?

Modified by simmode1 at 12:29 AM 10/9/2007

I have pretty much the same mod list, only exception is that I do not have cams but I do have ignition mods (Blaster 2 coil, Taylor 8mm plug wires), OEM exhaust, SARD FPR, walbro 255lph fuel pump, and AEM EMS

I plan on dyno'ing before I install my turbo setup so I can get an idea of my gain. I don't have the EMS or FPR installed at the moment but I do not think I am putting down 170whp... maybe 170 @ the crank but IMHO you're aiming a bit high.

this spring we had a dyno day in KC here. a bone stock 97 S14 dyno'd at I believe 115 w/ the air filter removed.

I dont expect more than 160whp on my setup before I boost and thats with the EMS in the equation.

If you're not planning on going turbo I think that 3" exhaust is excessive. 2.5 should be just fine w/ a free flowing resonator (cherry bomb) and muffler. Also it won't sound like complete *** that way.

[niceguy]

I agree also that you might be closer to 160-165whp tops...now if you went with a more aggressive cam setup you might hit 170whp which should be good for high 14s...

[Import_Ant]

forgot to add, I have the AC removed, running S14 upper intake plenum (no butterflies) and am not running power steering or belt driven fan. Those things will sap your power but the drivetrain mods you've listed will not give you any HP, they just allow your drivetrain to translate the power to the ground more effectively. deleting the butterflies will cost you some torque down low but is better for boosted applications since it's quite a bit more free-flowing.

You're going to spend a bit of dyno time tuning. You may want to advance your timing a bit w/ some high octane gas and an acceptable knock-meter and I'm sure you can eke out a few more ponies that way too.

Good luck, let us know what you get.

[PhantomSin01]

Another thing you might want to look into would be JWT adjustable cam sprockets. That way you'll be able to advance or retard your timing. What some of the other guys mentioned would be good, affordable upgrades as well. Such as: S14 Upper Intake Plenum, MSD Blaster 2 Coil , MSD SCI, 8mm Spark Plug Wires, Iridium Spark Plugs, Lightweight Crank Pulley, Fuel Pressure Regulator, Fuel Pump, 3 Wire O2 Sensor (Helps on mine )

[WWJD]

dont waste your money on MSD crap. your stock coil is more than enough, to get it a hand just "hot wire" the coil (look it up, this could be done to your fuel pump as well).

If you go back and read the form where the N60 MAF was talked about they were gonna use it to get rid of the "bottle neck" effect the KA MAF creates, not for more power but better air flow. which is why we all do CAI, cat back, etc. If you go this route a S-afc will make it possible to use the N60,

[simmode1]

All great info, guys! Thanks alot. I'll look into some of the things you all suggested. It's good to have a more realistic goal in mind so I don't get too disappointed when it gets dyno'd... I wanna reduce drivetrain loss as much as I can but, AC disconnect is not an option since I live in Texas! That's like instant death! lol. I just repaired my powersteering so hopefully, that stays too...

After I do this stuff (with a break upgrade thrown in), I'm planning to finally install my Energy polyurethane master bushing kit and upgrade from my old kyb agx/tein s tech combo to some entry level coilovers. This should better complement my sway bars and strut bars.

I do plan to turbo it too... but that's so far away! First I gotta buy an s14, do similar mods to it, then tear down the s13's for a complete rebuild. Yeah, it's gonna be a while b4 I go turbo. At least a year...
Modified by simmode1 at 8:00 AM 10/10/2007