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The United States is being walked by scrappers. Anyone who is an ocean liner fan knows this ship. I donated to the SS United States Conservancy. They can use as much help as they can get.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel...N.htm


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Eh, I can think of better ways to spend $800k per year. Gay butt secks comes to mind, lots of it!

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What does it cost to buy? Maybe Greg can get it and write it off as a business expense. USS United States, official NICO party boat. Booze Cruise anyone?

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That things been sitting down on the waterfront in center city Philadephia for a while know, it's pretty much parts of the Philly skyline, you can't help but see it when you come into the city on I95.

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Meh. It's not a big enough piece of history to be worth saving.

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dusred wrote:Meh. It's not a big enough piece of history to be worth saving.
Silly.

The SS United States is an engineering marvel. She shattered a record held by the RMS Queen Mary for years - and she beat it to death on her maiden voyage. So powerful, with 242,000 SHP, that when the French were designing their new ship of state (the SS France) that they gave up and didn't even try to match her speed. 17 years at sea with no real malfunctions.

This ship is the pinnacle of maritime design for ocean liners. And it is all American. To suggest less is to make obvious your lack of any slight grasp of what you are trying to talk about. Better stick to trucks.

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It is to expensive to keep... $800k a year with no return is silly.

Keep the scrapping industry alive!

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What do they do with your money if they fall short of the goal?

ALMOST raising enough money to save historical items sounds like a good business to be in.

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Interesting point. Hmm...

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Solar_Runner wrote:
Better stick to trucks.
If you're into sailing and ships I suppose this ship is something wonderful but to the average joe shmoe it's just another ship.

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If they fail to save it then at least I tried and failed. It's tax deductible too so...hmm. As stated above, to not save it would be like not saving the Brooklyn bridge when it's time is due. We saved a British ship and turned it into a floating hotel in Long Beach, the U is the last of an era that is over 50 years in the past. Saving it would create American jobs. There are many positives to this. Everyone loved Titantic, this ship is bigger than Titantic and unlike Titantic is still afloat.

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Reverend D wrote:As stated above, to not save it would be like not saving the Brooklyn bridge when it's time is due.
OMG! Where can we sign the petition to have the eyesore destroyed!

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dusred wrote:


If you're into sailing and ships I suppose this ship is something wonderful but to the average joe shmoe it's just another ship.
Dude, you hit the nail on the head. To lose this ship on the beaches of Alang would be a travesty. Folks today are just not educated on American history. They know not what they miss. It's sad. We have a British ship semi preserved in Long Beach and we cannot save one of our own. I have to admit that I felt from the beginning that we would lose the SSUS to the scrappers. What a waste.

Dusred, I have no animosity to you for your opinion. I've read your posts for two+ years and agreed with most of them. Just not this one. But, your feelings reflect that of our sad nation.

Tanked on Tanqueray, and depressed,

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PoorManQ45 wrote:
OMG! Where can we sign the petition to have the eyesore destroyed!
You truly are the retard without a clue.

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Reverend D wrote:
You truly are the retard without a clue.

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Cool boat, but there's better ways to invest that much money in a recession. I don't think it will be saved.

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:That things been sitting down on the waterfront in center city Philadephia for a while know, it's pretty much parts of the Philly skyline, you can't help but see it when you come into the city on I95.
I drove up near her a couple years ago. It's been sitting there for several years, I understand it's still structurely sound though it looks like a rusting hulk now. there have been some periodic local features done on her. Wonderful history. NCL (Norweigian Cruise lines) had originally considered restoring it for it's CA-Hawaii runs, but evidently they learned it'd cost too much to restore. The previous owner to NCL I understand had ambitions to turn it into a permanent floating hotel like the queen mary, but it was too expensive to restore and too small. Its a shame


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Solar_Runner wrote:Dude, you hit the nail on the head. Folks today are just not educated on American history.
True dat.

Quote »Dusred, I have no animosity to you for your opinion. I've read your posts for two+ years and agreed with most of them. Just not this one. But, your feelings reflect that of our sad nation. [/quote]I say we blame Obama. No just kidding. Why can't some of the trillion dollar stimulus package go to saving it?

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Jesda wrote:Cool boat, but there's better ways to invest that much money in a recession. I don't think it will be saved.

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You guys know it's completely gutted right? I saw pictures of the inside of it somewhere, it looked creepy as s***.

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car nut wrote:You guys know it's completely gutted right? I saw pictures of the inside of it somewhere, it looked creepy as s***.
If you think about it, that actually would make it cheaper to restore. The money it would take to restore her to a competitive level with other cruise ships is likely as much or more than building a new, bigger ship. She was so well built, she'll still pass modern safety regulations.

Its still an elegant looking ship. It's a shame to see it in such rough shape now.

Here are some photos and article about her....interesting read

http://planphilly.com/node/1559

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Restore it back to original baller levels, or eve more baller. Heck, make it the most over-the-top ridiculous luxury liner that will ever grace the seven seas. Then rent it out to people like the Prince of Monaco or the Sultan of Dubai for $1,000,000/wk.

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thats pretty rad

it be cool to have a development company buy it; move it to a outta dry docks and turn it into a mall or something; hotel?

who says it needs to sail? it could feature restaurants shops etc, keep it retro 60s just paint the exterior and dock it as part of a city skyline

meh my creative wishful side coming out

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Steps taken to maintain a boat:

1.) Get a bucket2.) Fill bucket with $100 bills3.) Pitch bucket contents into the water4.) Repeat daily

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Dattebayo wrote:Steps taken to maintain a boat:

1.) Get a bucket2.) Fill bucket with $100 bills3.) Pitch bucket contents into the water4.) Repeat daily
Literally a hole in the water!

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Sad indeed, but there are hundreds and hundreds of iconic historical relics that are worthy of preservation and restoration that just don't get saved.

I've gotta say, unless we can see some "greater good" reasoning for sinking that kind of $ into it, it's probably best left to history.

I can see how someone could get excited about it though... I donated to the Hunley project... Pretty cool - read up on it.

http://www.hunley.org/

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You have to wonder. Does restoring an icon like this help preserve its history, or ruin its image forever?

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I personally think they should take it down to Florida and sink it off the coast so it can become a reef.

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i'd say it depends on what you do with it. turning it into a mall would ruin it. if it were a hotel, it'd have to be time period correct and carry a 5 star rating.


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