A new technology promises to save your big money at the gas pump

[TJMaxx98]

Saw this on the local news last night and it looks to good to be true, but wanted to post it up to see if anyone knew if this was the real deal or just

[/QUOTE]LOUISVILLE (WAVE) -- Who wouldn't want to increase gas mileage by 50 percent? WAVE 3 has discovered a company right here in Kentuckiana that claims it can help you do that. They are using technology similar to that WAVE 3 showed you earlier this month, turning your vehicle into a gas-water hybrid.

It sounds like any other car but it runs, using water.

Carl Self says, "Turn water into gas, have gas water."

Self is the owner of Hydro Fuel Technologies by Fixit Auto Repair.

He says, "It's real and it's technology right now."

It's the first company in Kentuckiana to sell and install this particular brand of hydro assist technology.

He says, "I firmly believe that once this is out, you're going to see a huge change in how the oil companies are doing business."

Here's how it works. The cell separates distilled water into hydrogen and oxygen and feeds it into your vehicle's gasoline. The result, according to Self, is a more-efficient burn and better gas mileage.

He says, "This particular vehicle, 850 miles, we managed to get 58 miles to the gallon out of it."

Self says, "We have a computer that talks to the onboard computer and try to reason with it not to reject the technology."

The cost is around $2,000, but the folks at Fixit say it's worth it.

Michelle Deesch says, "Anybody who's looking to take their gas mileage from 15 my truck, 22 on my SUV, to 20, 30, 40 miles to the gallon, that's someone who's interested in this."

She says people are taking notice, "Right now we have in excess of 200 orders from 3 different states."

Obviously WAVE 3 has not put this to the test ourselves, so we checked with a local mechanic.

He says in theory, he can see how it would work on some vehicles, but he wants to see it in action. He also cautions it could very well void your warranty even though Fixit says it won't.

The bottom line -- do your research.

If it does sound like something you're interested in, you can contact Fixit in Shelbyville at 502-647-3316 or email [email protected].[/QUOTE]

http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=8385536

[telcoman]

Saw this on the local news last night and it looks to good to be true, but wanted to post it up to see if anyone knew if this was the real deal or just

LOUISVILLE (WAVE) -- Who wouldn't want to increase gas mileage by 50 percent? WAVE 3 has discovered a company right here in Kentuckiana that claims it can help you do that. They are using technology similar to that WAVE 3 showed you earlier this month, turning your vehicle into a gas-water hybrid.

It sounds like any other car but it runs, using water.

Carl Self says, "Turn water into gas, have gas water."

Self is the owner of Hydro Fuel Technologies by Fixit Auto Repair.

He says, "It's real and it's technology right now."

It's the first company in Kentuckiana to sell and install this particular brand of hydro assist technology.

He says, "I firmly believe that once this is out, you're going to see a huge change in how the oil companies are doing business."

Here's how it works. The cell separates distilled water into hydrogen and oxygen and feeds it into your vehicle's gasoline. The result, according to Self, is a more-efficient burn and better gas mileage.

He says, "This particular vehicle, 850 miles, we managed to get 58 miles to the gallon out of it."

Self says, "We have a computer that talks to the onboard computer and try to reason with it not to reject the technology."

The cost is around $2,000, but the folks at Fixit say it's worth it.

Michelle Deesch says, "Anybody who's looking to take their gas mileage from 15 my truck, 22 on my SUV, to 20, 30, 40 miles to the gallon, that's someone who's interested in this."

She says people are taking notice, "Right now we have in excess of 200 orders from 3 different states."

Obviously WAVE 3 has not put this to the test ourselves, so we checked with a local mechanic.

He says in theory, he can see how it would work on some vehicles, but he wants to see it in action. He also cautions it could very well void your warranty even though Fixit says it won't.

The bottom line -- do your research.

If it does sound like something you're interested in, you can contact Fixit in Shelbyville at 502-647-3316 or email [email protected].[/QUOTE]

http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=8385536[/QUOTE]



See snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/...s.asp

If it sounds too good to be true it usually is

Telcoman

[rn79870]

The news here in S.D. ran a bit on the "Burn water with fuel" technology this morning. That system cost $150.00 and had a money back guaranty. They are going to test it and get back to us.

Here is an email I got that promises money back or results.

http://www.savegastoday.net/Put a little bottle of Ethos in your tank and start saving 80 cents per gallon.

Sooner or later someone reputable is going to try this and report back. Not me though.

[ArizonaG35]

Sorry Telco, but your snopes article neither addresses the topic of water technology nor does it disprove any of the theories for gas saving tips. The snopes article you provided has nothing to do with the article TJMaxx provided...

Even though I think this is most definately a farce... we need to figure out how this is a complete scam...

Reasons I'm skeptical:

1) Any news organization that refers to their demographic as "Kentuckiana" loses my trust from the get go!

2) Quote from Cletus: "We have a computer that talks to the onboard computer and try to reason with it not to reject the technology."

Computers do not "TRY TO REASON" with each other... they either talk to each other in the binary code that they have been programmed with or they do not... computers do not posess the ability of deductive reasoning goober!

3) What part of the chemical makeup of water gives it the ability to suddenly take on the chemical properties of refined oil and re-emerge into gasoline? (Overheard conversation between the mechanics who invented this P.O.S) "Hey Clem! maybe it's your hiafalootin' computer gadget doohickey that's turning water into gas... can they do that? Well sure... if Jesus turned water into wine, why can't I turn water into Gas?"

4) Remember, that these are the same types of people that worship rattlesnakes, drink arsenic, decorate their front yards with rusted out Monte Carlos and "Negro" lawn jockeys! They get dressed up to go to Wal-mart and believe that there will be a second coming of Dale Earnhardt! Their china cabinets are filled with Bradford exchange collector plates and framed Velvet Elvis pictures adorn their walls!

Beware of the crafty redneck! He will take your $2,000.00 and sell you a friggin water filter!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dave

[telcoman]

Yes Snopes did not specifcally address that gadget but other artices on snopes did point out that these type of devices have been around since the 1920's and thirties.With prices of fuel efficient cars rising such as the Prius and prices of SUV's falling due to increased gas prices, it seems to me that any automobile manufacturer that was able to give its products an edge in the market place with a highly fuel efficient vehicle would have already done so.Anyone that believes these devices are going to work is a fool soon losing their hard earned money.

Telcoman

[Jacko3]

Snake oil is good for roasting grade A Steak and serving it as dinner with a glass of cold and frosty larger.

[TJMaxx98]

Sorry Telco, but your snopes article neither addresses the topic of water technology nor does it disprove any of the theories for gas saving tips. The snopes article you provided has nothing to do with the article TJMaxx provided...

Even though I think this is most definately a farce... we need to figure out how this is a complete scam...

Reasons I'm skeptical:

1) Any news organization that refers to their demographic as "Kentuckiana" loses my trust from the get go!

2) Quote from Cletus: "We have a computer that talks to the onboard computer and try to reason with it not to reject the technology."

Computers do not "TRY TO REASON" with each other... they either talk to each other in the binary code that they have been programmed with or they do not... computers do not posess the ability of deductive reasoning goober!

3) What part of the chemical makeup of water gives it the ability to suddenly take on the chemical properties of refined oil and re-emerge into gasoline? (Overheard conversation between the mechanics who invented this P.O.S) "Hey Clem! maybe it's your hiafalootin' computer gadget doohickey that's turning water into gas... can they do that? Well sure... if Jesus turned water into wine, why can't I turn water into Gas?"

4) Remember, that these are the same types of people that worship rattlesnakes, drink arsenic, decorate their front yards with rusted out Monte Carlos and "Negro" lawn jockeys! They get dressed up to go to Wal-mart and believe that there will be a second coming of Dale Earnhardt! Their china cabinets are filled with Bradford exchange collector plates and framed Velvet Elvis pictures adorn their walls!

Beware of the crafty redneck! He will take your $2,000.00 and sell you a friggin water filter!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dave

1) Kentuckiana refers to Louisville and Southern Indiana area...very common and accepted. I'm a local...trust me!!!

2) I totally agree with you here....you just can't make a computer try to reason...there is no try.

3) I'm not sure how they would take water turn into a fuel either...not a chemical engineer.

4) Not everyone from Kentucky is a redneck snake herder BTW....but the last part of your message is true....buyer beware!!

I think it shows how dispirit people are when it comes gas in general. It's really sad, but I'm sure there will be more of these too good to be true stories popping up!!

[ArizonaG35]

No offense to your people TJMaxx... my wife is from Dubois county so I know all about southern Indiana/Northern Kentucky.

I've spent my fair share of time getting pickled on the riverboats down in Vevay to know the area...

Dave

[Sentientbydesign]

I think when they say "reason" they mean modifying sensor data so that the ECU doesn't completely reject the fuel "additive".

As far as how to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen...

I know it's wikipedia, but it makes sense and has been described all over the net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

Electrolysis is used to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. If I understand it correctly, you supply "extra" electrons and they allow the atoms to separate from each other.

[Kendahl]

Saw this on the local news last night and it looks to good to be true, but wanted to post it up to see if anyone knew if this was the real deal or just

It's just

[TJMaxx98]

No offense to your people TJMaxx... my wife is from Dubois county so I know all about southern Indiana/Northern Kentucky.

I've spent my fair share of time getting pickled on the riverboats down in Vevay to know the area...

Dave

Non taken my friend!!

[Kendahl]

Electrolysis is used to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. If I understand it correctly, you supply "extra" electrons and they allow the atoms to separate from each other.

When you combine hydrogen with oxygen (i.e. burn it), you get energy and water out. Examples are hydrogen fuel cells and rocket engines. To separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, you must put this energy back in. One way to do this is to add a conductor like salt or acid to the water and force an electric current through it. This is called electrolysis. Unfortunately, the process is quite inefficient. It takes far more electrical energy to separate the water than you get back by burning the hydrogen. Even if this device produces hydrogen which is burned by the car's engine, the hydrogen would not make up for the extra gasoline used to power the alternator which produces the electricity for electrolysis. It is more efficient to use this gasoline to power the car directly without a detour through electrolysis.

[Jacko3]

Kendahl:

To add a little to your thoughts, hydrogen would technically be produced in a batch process or a continuous process. In a batch process, you would need massive amounts of electricty to produce sufficient amounts of hydrogen to satisfy one's driving needs. In the continuous process, the fluid is broken down in stages, with slightly less electricity than in the batch process, as in a multicomponent distillation system, until a continuous flow of hydrogen is produced. Either way or process, the size of the equipment required to achieve this end, would certainly add to the weight of the car, and thus, the need to burn more fuel.

In my basic chemistry, if I can remember it well, it is usually a challenge to combine an organic susbstance like gasoline with an inorganic substance like water. ususally, other transition fluids are used to bring the inorganic substance into solution, before being introduced into the organic substance. Aromatics are great at this type of transitionary task. I don't see them using any type of aromatics to enhance the solution of water into gasoline, if possible at all.

[TJMaxx98]

Noticed someone found the name of the company that makes the product....Dutchman Enterprises

This link shows some of the "science" behind the claims....http://bwt.jeffotto.com/hafc-1.htm

[Jacko3]

I see they are awaiting EPA approval, what about SAE approval? And then, the picture of the stuff or snake oil they are touting seems more like Water-Methanol injection. And form what I have learned, for a NA car, it does little in adding horsepower.

[numskul]

I'm going to have to go with BS, Bob! No Whammies!

I don't have any scientific reason for my decision and I don't know jack about hydrogen technology (but apparently many here do- or just went to the same Wikipedia link as everyone else). I just get a funny "feeling" about that product. It don't pass the smell test....

[Kenrik]

My brother has been testing this on his car for a while.. it is real and it works but the problem is that it makes the car run lean so the ECU dumps more gas in thus reversing any positive effects.

You need to tune the car (hence the thing about modifying the computer)

it's all based on Electrolysis..

check this out..

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/...items/

and this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJBQUM52dhw