A median between police and enthusiasts - WHAT CAN NICO MEMBERS DO? PLEASE READ!

[Jookmasta]

i think ur point is valid but in a sense pretty much unreachable unless u have some sort of tie-in with politicians and what not. as said before, police merely enforce the law. they arent the ones to blame for y the law exists. is it right for them to profile? well depends on whether they are a d!ck or if they just want to do their job to the best of their ability. for example, would a bike cop point the laser gun at the geo metro or the porsche carrerra?

as for the smog, no two ways around it. u will need to move to another state or get a beater car or bribe. california kinda needs those smog laws as its not exactly home to the cleanest of air. as for ur idea with getting parts carb legal and what not, well apexi or hks is not going to spend any extra to do that if their parts are already flying off the shelf. ebay knockoff's are already taking a toll on their profits and if they were to increase their prices even more, they could very well run into some financial situations. we might be a large consumer base for such tuner companies but the price of getting something carb legal doesnt really do them much good as a company.

i myself reside in florida so there is no emissions. plus i think the rule is 10 years here and then the car is exempt from emissions.

good luck with ur quest as u have a hell of a road ahead of you. maybe an email to a sema peep could help.

[w1ngzer0]

-MORE GOV'T CONTROL OVER WHAT PARTS CAN BE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER

Sorry man have to point out the bad part of your rant. Didn't read the whole thing, nor do i want to. Giving the government more control in something is the worst thing you can do.

Lets make it so children are required to wear helmets. But, if the child doesn't wear the helmet, lets charge the parents! Best law ever........

Lets put red light cameras on every light and prevent accidents.

Here is the best one. Lets put speed cameras on the highway.

The best thing you can do is save up $5000 and leave California. I currently have a possible job that pays 35k+ in Tucson,AZ. Don't know the pay or if i have the job yet. I've had 4 phone interviews and one conference interview. Once i get my bills paid off, HELLO TT H6

[rsmithdrift]

I don't understand why cali has problems with this anyways.......it keeps sounding to me like the place is run by d!ck police.

Emmisions is retarded.....and they use it as an excuse for not letting sports cars into america. Lawmakers seem to have this idea that it's taboo to use a car for anything other than basic transprotation........well **** that and **** all of them and ther ****ing regulations!!!!!!

You ever get the feeling that most of our traffic cops were the ones that got picked on in school??? See, stereo typing works BOTH ways!!

[jdm_master_X]

Sorry man have to point out the bad part of your rant. Didn't read the whole thing, nor do i want to. Giving the government more control in something is the worst thing you can do.

Lets make it so children are required to wear helmets. But, if the child doesn't wear the helmet, lets charge the parents! Best law ever........

Lets put red light cameras on every light and prevent accidents.

Here is the best one. Lets put speed cameras on the highway.

The best thing you can do is save up $5000 and leave California. I currently have a possible job that pays 35k+ in Tucson,AZ. Don't know the pay or if i have the job yet. I've had 4 phone interviews and one conference interview. Once i get my bills paid off, HELLO TT H6

yeah my bad bro. haha. i thought about that again. i didnt think that out so thoroughly.

Bias is in the eye of the beholder.

If I see an unshaven skinny person (usually White) riding a bicycle in my neighborhood, I can guaran-damn-tee you they're either dealing in meth, under the influence of meth, in possession of meth or on thir way to get some meth.

Unfortunately, some would call that BIAS.

The problem is this: Profiling works. I know no one likes to hear it, and everyone gets all butt-hurt over it, and it's unpopular to say so, but IT WORKS.

Pulling over vinyl-ed out Japanese cars with fartcans and young drivers is a SURE-FIRE way of catching illegal modifications, moreso than choosing cars at random, which is simply a waste of time.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

NOTE: I don't agree with the laws of CA, I think they're retarded.

amen on the laws here. it sucks in CA. paris hilton couldnt even keep that monkey-bear thingy whatever it was. we have a law against exotic animals. oh and did we mention "modified vehicle with intent to street race." yeah i feel the need for speed when i have a rollcage in my daily driver.

all of you have solid points to my rant. i guess i was over reacting about some things, but i guess the best approach is public awareness. its simple and it doesnt break laws.

as far as my car goes, what state has the best emission-less standards? i was thinking NY, FL, TX, or NV. haha...thanks guys.

[StatixNWH]

think about there i live, its annoying....31w splits 2 countys apart straight through my town...we all go to school together and everything, but on one side of the road, you go through emmissions ie: ME!! if your on the other side of the road....no emissions for you....alot of ppl just register their vehicle to other relatives that live on the other side of the road

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'll keep you guys updated, we should have our SEMA membership approved in the next few days.

Rock on!

[jdm_master_X]

there are two types of smog here in CA.

there is basic clean air smog (around humboldt county, mostly small population areas in the northern-most areas of california). you only have to smog your car up there when you sell the car. no dyno or anything. just a sniffer in the exhaust.

then theres the strict enhanced clean air (pretty much everywhere else in california). smog is every two years and also when a car is sold. a dyno is used to simulate a driving at up to 35 MPH.

if you get caught in california with illegally modified cars:A) you get a state refferee ticket and pay a fine ($10-3000 fine, depending on what it was)B) car impounded for 30 days + state ref + jail time (with all the associated fines)C) car impounded and destroyed + jail time (with all associated fines, these are for serious violations like engine swaps and those caught street racing, but it rarely occurs).

legislation wants to all 50 states to convert to California-smog by the year 2010. other countries want to follow the same standards.

this is just what i know from reading literature from BAR and talking with the state ref and smog instructors at my school.

what is the best place to get my car registered out of state?

[takaramotors]

Georgia every where is good but Atlanta no smog here

[jamied311]

Georgia every where is good but Atlanta no smog here

[PantherRacer]

if they get cali-emission laws in FL I'm definitely staying over here.... racetrack or not.

[maxnix]

I read that twice and I still dont get it. Summary?

It's in teenage Ninja Klingon.

Too much Ritalin as a kid for the ADD.

[Logan76]

well its been bumped soo...

I SAY IT WAS THAT DAMN ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!!! BLAME IT ALL ON HIM!

here in PA theres no emmisions where i live...and i could drive around in an R34 GTR and no one would even bat an eye...esp. the police. aslong as i wasnt being a jackoff.

[w1ngzer0]

have a problem with smog laws? move to arizona. Thats what i did. haha

Though the lack of filipino stuff sucks

[x240xdrifter]

this is what is happening to our gov't, they will continue to control our lives and the way we live out of the basic tool of propaganda; fear. and they will drone us all out with our entertainment live and xtra and all the bs about celebs, tv, materialism and etc. and it will grow and grow till we are in some 1984 sh:t. its a damn shame the founders of america are turning over in their grave

your basic rights will slowly dwindle down to nothing. it starts with emissions on cars in fear of hurting the enviroment, airports with their excessive sercurity, and it will end with shaved heads, bar codes, and so big brother stuff. sorry for the extremeist **** but its just my 2 cents, everday I feel the gov't constantly controls and regulates more and more it will keep growing, lucky though with every great society in history, they will fall and hopefully the next society will learn from the mistakes of the past

[w1ngzer0]

your basic rights will slowly dwindle down to nothing. it starts with emissions on cars in fear of hurting the enviroment, airports with their excessive sercurity, and it will end with shaved heads, bar codes, and so big brother stuff. sorry for the extremeist **** but its just my 2 cents, everday I feel the gov't constantly controls and regulates more and more it will keep growing, lucky though with every great society in history, they will fall and hopefully the next society will learn from the mistakes of the past

Thats fine, that means a certain someone is comming soon if you start seeing barcodes on people.

[wonS14aero]

The aftermarket and performance industry needs to get the elected officals in their pockets just like other businesses in this country and this will stop. Democracy is for sale.

[andox]

its just like racial stereotyping/profiling. you can know and believe whatever you want about someones ethnic background, but it shouldnt tie in with how you treat them. its like saying "okay filipino people like to eat dog, so im going to treat the rest of them like they love it." its a ignorant assumption and does not constitute unfair treatment to someone else who happens to drive a car thats 96% identical to the last car this law enforcement official pulled over.

dont get me wrong, of course its law enforcements job to ENFORCE these rules. i just believe that it should be done more tactfully.

For one thing.. Koreans are more famous for eating dogs.. we love eating it with kimchee.. - -;;

anyway..

I think if this could ever be possible.. the police can't be blamed. Honestly they're all just ****en d!ck, but in the end they dont make laws and they're really powerless. You just have to know how to get around them. To change laws like this you're going to have to put it through the system and hope people vote for it. I think best way is to do it quietly dont let the crazy, anti ciggarette, anti drinking, anti smog, tree hugging activists know about it and have everyone in nico vote for it. I would..

[andox]

lucky though with every great society in history, they will fall and hopefully the next society will learn from the mistakes of the past

There's a pattern to that.. a country starts as a monarchy the ppl get sick of the controlling and rebell, kill and become a democracy.. one way or another the people get sick of that rebell, kill and become a communism.. and people get sick of that rebell and kill and start over. oh n' add corruption to everything.

[C-Kwik]

The government is to some extent, much like a business. There is a cost to eveything you suggest. Given this is a majority rules society(in theory), how much say do enthusiasts really have? Even in an enthusiast hotspot like socal, I can look around me on any given road on an average day and find a very small percentage of vehicles have any performance mods.

While in an ideal world the legislators would certainly love to please law abiding citizens who simply have a passion for their cars much better, but the reality is that to try and localize such enforcements to a small group while trying to effectively realize the bigger goals is costly.

It sounds like you are suggesting that we allow certain motors from other countries. Which ones? And from which countries? Where do we draw the lines? Ultimately, the US can only effect a broad control over the cars sold here by the bigger manufacturers. Trying to enforce laws aimed at such a small part of commerce is hard enough already. There's just not enough consumer demand as a percentage of the population to justify the cost. Especially when there can be so many negative things that can lead to having to enforce and enact more laws. When it comes down to it it's all about money.

That said, I certainly encourage youto speak your mind about such topics but understand that we do have to pick and choose battles as well. Harrassment certainly has been an issue. It's become less of a problem for me, but I may not fit the "profile" anymore, so I don't know if it's as much a problem today or not. I do know that the exhaust noise laws were a wide open door for law enforcement to use to harass as most people in the profile had a modified exhaust. While I don't disagree with the intent of the exhaust noise laws, I certainly disliked the way officers abused them, even misinterpreting the laws in their favor. In case you were not around SEMA, and more specifically, the SEMA Action Network, helped to get the law changed to be more specific and offer a solution that is more fair to the public. I don't hear nearly as many stories of officers abusing the exhaust noise laws. If you perhaps want to hear more about what they do, consider getting their newsletter. I've been a subscriber since before the millenium.

Here's a link to their success page:

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60085

And a link to current issues on teh table:

http://www.semasan.com/main/ma...ePage

They are much more effective than you may realize. They are however a nationwide organization and so CA is not their only focus.

[Goldeneagle]

The aftermarket and performance industry needs to get the elected officals in their pockets just like other businesses in this country and this will stop. Democracy is for sale.

I will second that fact. Hence the reason alcohol and tabacco products are legal nationwide and marijuana is illegal. Democracy is for sale.

[Dattebayo]

Here's my thoughts on the matter...

Emissions regs are different from state to state because of the different environment within their borders.

For example, CA has strict laws because of the large population and the way the mountains and valley circulate (or rather not circulate) the heavier polluted hot air in the summertime. Smog gets trapped in certain areas and does not have anywhere to go just because of the topography of the area!

At the same time, any given midwest state has lower emissions laws because the weather patterns allow exhaust to travel away freely and the residents dont notice as many problems.

This is obviously just the EPA way of looking at it, so I'm going to ignore some of the politics right now.

I always thought the CA emissions laws were being adopted by other states now simply because some officials view that what is good for one state must be good for another. I guess it could work, but it blows the idea of "median" right out of the water. Its not as if the folks in Montana or West Virginia are going to have a severe impact any time soon because of car emissions.

Hell, I think the old coal burning industries contributed to most of the emissions we are currently suffering from way back in the dawn of the century. Please correct me if I overlooked anything...

I dont really think there really can be a true median adopted as long as different states can have different laws about emissions. I kind of like it the way it is.