A little on (ir)responsibility

[konatown]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4198416&page=1

Yes, I know our Q's don't have near the performance of an M5. BUT they can and many do reach those speeds of 130+ miles an hour.

This kid, 18, with a car that retails for over $80,000 is an obvious example of irresponsibility. I understand that most everyone gets that urge to perform some grounded fly-bys in their vehicles but for the love of whatever deity you choose minimize your risks, IE having proper tires and PSI, suspension, proper location with NO, ZERO, NIL, ZIP, NADA traffic.

Have your fun but not at the expense of others.

BE FVCKING CAREFUL.

[konatown]

And here is his post. About how to disable safety features and shift better at 140+ MPH. http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...11454

Apparently he also had 4 speeding tickets. And 18years old. But one of the passengers had SEVEN. These kids are ****ing idiots. I'm sorry for the families of the four passengers but not the family of the driver.

[ScottJackson]

Kids are inherently idiots. No, really. It's been scientifically proven that the part of the human brain that assesses risk and consequence doesn't fully develop until the mid 20's. Before cars, kids would ride on horses fast and in dangerous areas. Fast and expensive cars aren't the issue, it's that kids NEED excitement and thrills and the modern world doesn't provide this with much that's legal or feasible. I used to drive rediculously fast and do stupid stuff. I wouldn't even consider it now. But kids will be kids and they go through that stage. Always have, always will. Stiffer penalties are not the answer. Those just turn young and impressionable kids against authority. Not good. And parents can only restrict and dictate so much before they too become "the enemy" to their kids. Tragedy and collateral damage will happen so long as people are human. What would help is to allow kids to get their kicks in a safer environment and to teach them the risks. Show them crash scenese like this with the gore and all. Take them to an open parking lot and let them tear around in a safe place. They still won't be perfect drivers, but less of them will die and they'll kill fewer bystanders.

[elwesso]

holy crap...

I do agree with scott, it would help out a lot for kids especially those into cars to get out to the auto-x track or a big open parking lot where they can thrash their car.. If their car breaks, who cares at least it wasnt on the road and chances of them breaking themselves isnt too high...

[maxnix]

What were this guy's parents thinking? Geez honey, why don't we give our 18 year old kid the use of our $100K super sedan, even though he only has driver's education to rely upon?"

And they also have the burden of contributing to the deaths of four of his friends also.

[Haitian_King]

Seriously. At 18, if you have 4 speeding tickets, I'm sure that he exceeded his point limit. At least in NJ he would. I guess his parents just didn't care about the skyrocketing insurance rates?

Spoiled little bastards.

[mtcookson]

At the very least, he did take it off the road so he did have at least a tiny bit of sense in him... though I'm sure he's probably done it on the road as well and oddly enough would have probably survived on a highway... regardless, definitely not a good idea for a younger person to have that much power. Even a very poorly running Z31 Turbo was a bit too much for my younger brother... he took it off the road at least once that I know of... so now he's driving a Civic, which is still a little too fast for him in my opinion.

[AlabamaDan]

Wow. Sad story.

I'd have to say, "where are the parents?" I know you can't be with your kids 24/7, but you've got to set some rules. Teenages just don't have the driving experience to understand all the risks.

He had some sense to know that he shouldn't be on the open road, but not quite enough to realize that being on that airstrip without permission and at NIGHT was too dangerous. If your kid wants to go that fast, work with him. AND, it's crazy to let a teenager have something with that much potential.

When I was 16 I had a muscle car with 350hp. It was a real hoss, but I understood that it was really more than I could handle and it could kill me and others around me. I played around alot - mostly burnouts and drag races from 0-60MPH. I also wrecked it alot. My wrecks mostly came from not paying attention fully to driving.

I also never took chances with someone else in the car.

Sad story, but hopefully it serves as a lesson to other parents.

[konatown]

One of the passenger, who was 18, had a total of seven, 7, speeding tickets. Obviously these kids had no respect for their and others' lives nor their vehicles.

I know when I was 16 a mint-condition Q45 was loaned to me to take a girl out in or to dances, etc. And I was extremely cautious with the car because I'd seen what can happen with near 300hp on tap. My first born's car is going to be a Geo =/.

[Q45tech]

"At the market in the La Salines slum, two cups of rice now sell for $0.60, up 10 cents from December and 50% from a year ago. Beans, condensed milk and fruit have gone up at a similar rate, and even the price of the edible clay has risen over the past year by almost $1.50. Dirt to make 100 cookies now costs $5, the cookie makers say.

Still, at about five cents apiece, the cookies are a bargain compared to food staples.Merchants truck the dirt from the central town of Hinche to the La Salines market, a maze of tables of sweet-smelling vegetables and meat swarming with flies. Women buy the dirt, then process it into mud cookies in places such as Fort Dimanche, a nearby shanty town.

Carrying buckets of dirt and water up ladders to the roof of the former prison for which the slum is named, they strain out rocks and clumps on a sheet, and stir in shortening and salt. Then they pat the mixture into mud cookies and leave them to dry under the scorching sun.

The finished cookies are carried in buckets to markets or sold on the streets."

A reporter sampling a cookie found that it had a smooth consistency and sucked all the moisture out of the mouth as soon as it touched the tongue. For hours, an unpleasant taste of dirt lingered.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...N.htm

[qship96]

"At the market in the La Salines slum, two cups of rice now sell for $0.60, up 10 cents from December and 50% from a year ago. Beans, condensed milk and fruit have gone up at a similar rate, and even the price of the edible clay has risen over the past year by almost $1.50. Dirt to make 100 cookies now costs $5, the cookie makers say.

Still, at about five cents apiece, the cookies are a bargain compared to food staples.Merchants truck the dirt from the central town of Hinche to the La Salines market, a maze of tables of sweet-smelling vegetables and meat swarming with flies. Women buy the dirt, then process it into mud cookies in places such as Fort Dimanche, a nearby shanty town.

Carrying buckets of dirt and water up ladders to the roof of the former prison for which the slum is named, they strain out rocks and clumps on a sheet, and stir in shortening and salt. Then they pat the mixture into mud cookies and leave them to dry under the scorching sun.

The finished cookies are carried in buckets to markets or sold on the streets."

A reporter sampling a cookie found that it had a smooth consistency and sucked all the moisture out of the mouth as soon as it touched the tongue. For hours, an unpleasant taste of dirt lingered.

And,how do you see this bit of information being relevent to the thread topic? Stop sniffin the chemicals at T3!!!!

[Woot!]

"At the market in the La Salines slum, two cups of rice now sell for $0.60, up 10 cents from December and 50% from a year ago. Beans, condensed milk and fruit have gone up at a similar rate, and even the price of the edible clay has risen over the past year by almost $1.50. Dirt to make 100 cookies now costs $5, the cookie makers say.

Still, at about five cents apiece, the cookies are a bargain compared to food staples.Merchants truck the dirt from the central town of Hinche to the La Salines market, a maze of tables of sweet-smelling vegetables and meat swarming with flies. Women buy the dirt, then process it into mud cookies in places such as Fort Dimanche, a nearby shanty town.

Carrying buckets of dirt and water up ladders to the roof of the former prison for which the slum is named, they strain out rocks and clumps on a sheet, and stir in shortening and salt. Then they pat the mixture into mud cookies and leave them to dry under the scorching sun.

The finished cookies are carried in buckets to markets or sold on the streets."

A reporter sampling a cookie found that it had a smooth consistency and sucked all the moisture out of the mouth as soon as it touched the tongue. For hours, an unpleasant taste of dirt lingered.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...N.htm

I'm not sure what to think of this

Those M5's are dam nice. Me and one of my buddies were racing an an airport the other day...he was driving a BMW 330i....but good hell...we werent going 180 MPH with 4 passengers

A track or an airport is the place to race but it does need to be supervised

[Q45tech]

Our use of increased ethanol doubled the prices of many food grains recently so drivers [politicans] are responsible for people eating MORE dirt [due to rise in grain prices] is a possible link.

Actually if you read the whole story not too bad in moderation as it strengthens the immune system and provide some calcium when you have no milk for children.

Sometime we worry too much about vehicles and less about the endgame.

[Haitian_King]

"At the market in the La Salines slum, two cups of rice now sell for $0.60, up 10 cents from December and 50% from a year ago. Beans, condensed milk and fruit have gone up at a similar rate, and even the price of the edible clay has risen over the past year by almost $1.50. Dirt to make 100 cookies now costs $5, the cookie makers say.

Still, at about five cents apiece, the cookies are a bargain compared to food staples.Merchants truck the dirt from the central town of Hinche to the La Salines market, a maze of tables of sweet-smelling vegetables and meat swarming with flies. Women buy the dirt, then process it into mud cookies in places such as Fort Dimanche, a nearby shanty town.

Carrying buckets of dirt and water up ladders to the roof of the former prison for which the slum is named, they strain out rocks and clumps on a sheet, and stir in shortening and salt. Then they pat the mixture into mud cookies and leave them to dry under the scorching sun.

The finished cookies are carried in buckets to markets or sold on the streets."

A reporter sampling a cookie found that it had a smooth consistency and sucked all the moisture out of the mouth as soon as it touched the tongue. For hours, an unpleasant taste of dirt lingered.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...N.htm

I take it that this is supposed to be some sort of dig?

I've never eaten dirt in my life kind sir. No one I know has eaten it either. This is about as far as I'll go with you. You must find this quite humorous. I'm not going to get upset. I'm above your puerile humor.

Now. Back to the actual topic. Where was this kid's dad? Apparently, this kid has taken the car a couple of times prior to this event. Did his father just happen to not notice his $80k sports sedan was missing? How did the kid get a key?

This is sad. What will the insurance company say? I'm sure that they may drop the family. 4 speeding tickets at 18? And a horrible wreck like this? Terrible.

You would think that the kid would know better. I don't think he was "new" to driving, seeing as how up until 2 years ago, you could receive your license at 15 in Florida.

Out here in NJ, to get your license before 17, you have to complete a 6 hour supervised driving course. And that's just to be able to have your permit. 6 months after the completion of your driving course, you can go take the license examination road test. Here's the kicker. You could be 17 or 37, you'll still have a Provisional license chock full of restrictions and is aptly called the "Cinderella" license. You cannot have more than one passenger that is not a part of your immediate family. Driving past midnight is prohibited as well as a lower than normal amount of points. I believe the unrestricted license has a 7 point cap. The Provisional one has a 4 point cap. 6 months after getting this Provisional license, then you will have to travel to the MVC and take a new picture and receive your unrestricted license.

[TBrack]

Wow. Sad story.

I'd have to say, "where are the parents?" I know you can't be with your kids 24/7, but you've got to set some rules. Teenages just don't have the driving experience to understand all the risks.

He had some sense to know that he shouldn't be on the open road, but not quite enough to realize that being on that airstrip without permission and at NIGHT was too dangerous. If your kid wants to go that fast, work with him. AND, it's crazy to let a teenager have something with that much potential.

When I was 16 I had a muscle car with 350hp. It was a real hoss, but I understood that it was really more than I could handle and it could kill me and others around me. I played around alot - mostly burnouts and drag races from 0-60MPH. I also wrecked it alot. My wrecks mostly came from not paying attention fully to driving.

I also never took chances with someone else in the car.

Sad story, but hopefully it serves as a lesson to other parents.

My first car was a 1993 GMC Typhoon (yes, it was the ****) and that lasted about 3 months... I was always VERY careful and never took advantage of the awd, big bore, turbo'd, inline-6, but then again I grew up with fast cars and understood the dangers of speed and confidence. Regretfully I was hit in the nose by an old lady backing out and my father took the car back to fix it up and race it. Then came my 94 Maxima...

[konatown]

No, that was HIS car in his dad's name.2008 BMW M52008 BMW 5series2007 Cadillac Escalade were all his.

[Haitian_King]

No, that was HIS car in his dad's name.2008 BMW M52008 BMW 5series2007 Cadillac Escalade were all his.

Wow. Either his father really loved him, or really hated him.

I want my children to have a good life, but to spoil them that way may just be downright sinful. My parents made sure I had a decent car as my first car. It was reliable and lasted me 2 years. It's still in service, but just not my daily driver anymore.

I hope that we can all really learn something from this.

[Q45tech]

No Digg, just a commentary about the sad state of affairs when we worry about giving fancy cars to kids and others don't eat.

After 44 years of driving cars, not much is fun anymore -------eating is still fun, however.

[Haitian_King]

No Digg, just a commentary about the sad state of affairs when we worry about giving fancy cars to kids and others don't eat.

After 44 years of driving cars, not much is fun anymore -------eating is still fun, however.

Well then. My apologies. I'm still young and sensitive.

Your last sentence made me smile. It's sad because it's true.

[AlabamaDan]

-------eating is still fun, however.

I heard that!

[NightRiderQ45]

Wow. Either his father really loved him, or really hated him.

I want my children to have a good life, but to spoil them that way may just be downright sinful. My parents made sure I had a decent car as my first car. It was reliable and lasted me 2 years. It's still in service, but just not my daily driver anymore.

I hope that we can all really learn something from this.

Learn from this!?! Wasn't there a post on here stating "how fast have you pushed your Q45"? Some of the people on here that are bashing how fast the kid was driving are the same people who stated they pushed their Q's at speeds well over 100mph. Speeding is speeding! It doesn't matter if you are a kid or an adult! You could easily loose control and kill someone else and then be labeled the "idiot" who was driving fast!! I lost a love one last year to a "speeding idiot" so I'm still sensitive to this.

[Haitian_King]

Learn from this!?! Wasn't there a post on here stating "how fast have you pushed your Q45"? Some of the people on here that are bashing how fast the kid was driving are the same people who stated they pushed their Q's at speeds well over 100mph. Speeding is speeding! It doesn't matter if you are a kid or an adult! You could easily loose control and kill someone else and then be labeled the "idiot" who was driving fast!! I lost a love one last year to a "speeding idiot" so I'm still sensitive to this.

I meant learning something about letting younger inexperienced drivers get behind the wheel of a high-powered car.

As far as the post about pushing the Q goes, a lot of the posters are over 18 and have been driving for decades. I'm pretty sure you learn a thing or two after 20-30 years of driving. Many of the posts also said that they were alone and that they don't take risks with other passengers. I feel the same way. Not really out of concern for their well-being, but more driven by the fact that I'd be responsible for their injuries and risk exposing myself to a lawsuit. (I know, I know. I'm selfish.)

I did something foolish the during the first couple of weeks of owning my Q. I was headed home one morning from school and I was on the PA Turnpike. It was about 10:30 in the morning and I found myself doing 110 MPH in the left lane. I couldn't feel a thing. (I'd never driven a luxury car of the Q's caliber before) I thought that I'd at least feel the speed. My roommate was traveling with me and was sleeping during this little speed test. I woke him up after I brought it down to 70 and told him. He said he didn't feel it either.

Until I get a really good radar detector, I'm not trying to go all out. One of my biggest fears (besides crashing and dying) is to be pulled over for speeding and losing my license over it. Not to mention the outrageous insurances rates (if by some stroke of luck they don't drop me).

A lot of the guys either took their Q's on tracks or they live out west and have long bare stretches of highway not constantly patrolled by troopers. Out here, something like that is a rarity. I can only get a taste of what the Q can do in short bursts of good fortune and I'm feeling particularly adventurous.

This tragedy won't stop people from driving fast (I know I won't), but I hope they at least become more alert and aware.

[RAP]

Our use of increased ethanol doubled the prices of many food grains recently so drivers [politicans] are responsible for people eating MORE dirt [due to rise in grain prices] is a possible link.

Actually if you read the whole story not too bad in moderation as it strengthens the immune system and provide some calcium when you have no milk for children.

Sometime we worry too much about vehicles and less about the endgame.

There were, in Mississippi, Black women that had a yen or craving for "dirt" I seem to recall that they were also pregnant and the "dirt" satisfied a craving.I don't exactly recall when this practice occured but it was not that many years back and may well be on-going. I'm sure that a search would reveal more in short order if one is so inclined. Of course there is always a poverty angle to these practices, and the Catholic church is very much implicated with it's policies. Policies like NO contraception and no real family planning that would take into consideration the dire state of affairs that prevail in those Latino countries. Along with the lawyers, shoot all the priest ! ! !

It's a bit more involved than "corn into gas" and is going to be a real problem in the not to distant future as there is an ever increasing demand for "corn gas" and any other gas from the developing countries.

Maybe more involved than what can be intelligently discussed on a "GAS HOG" forum ? ? ?

Jack

Let 'er rip ! ! !

[RAP]

I did a Goggle: "People eating dirt" and voila.

Jack

[paranoidjack]

Need I remind everybody here that we have similar threads and members on our boards?

What ScottJackson said is true...it is a proven fact that the sector of the brain that gauges risk is not fully mature until the age of 26.

If you are under 26, no matter what you THINK, you are NOT as responsible as someone 10 years your senior. It's fact.

I hate the thought of it, but in 10 years most cars on the road probably won't run without the software-satellite links that will restrict you to the speed limit, brake for you prior to an accident, and steer you back into your lane. I'm well aware this is present on some vehicles already...but it will be STANDARDIZED, and "improved." I think that's when the old muscle cars will be popular again.

God bless the dead....that is a truly eerie thread to read, from start to finish.

Probably hits close to home because we all read threads like that every day here, and this could happen to any one of us.

Or did?

Who knows?

Where are all the people that have come and gone? Driving Civics, or pushing daisies?