A Leading Hillary Supporter Defects to McCain - the start of a stampede!

[szh]

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/b....aspx

The article shows what I believe is going to happen a lot more in the near future. A leading Democrat, and a supporter of Hillary Clinton, has decided to support McCain!

Quote »Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is "being taken over by the moveon.org types" in an exclusive interview with Newsweek.com's Tammy Haddad.[/quote]Clearly, this is a trend that cannot be ignored. There are many people, prominent and otherwise, who feel that the McCain-Palin ticket has values and strengths that make it worth their while. Hence, the rise in the polls for McCain and Palin and the reason why I think this is going to become a stampede (well, I am exaggerating, of course ) by Nov 4.

Z

[wingFeather]

Hopefully this trend continues even here on NICO. It is disheartening to see so many Nissan fanatics be duped by the Democratic party.

[srellim234]

Hopefully this trend continues even here on NICO. It is disheartening to see so many Nissan fanatics be duped by the Democratic party.

To paraphrase my position, hopefully the trend continues to Independent and third party registrations. It is disheartening to see so many Nissan fanatics beig duped by the Democratic AND Republican Parties.....

[AZhitman]

I'll refine my position even further -

While I'm encouraged by this news, I'd hope that people across America will eschew traditional mainstream media news sources and actually educate themselves on the candidates and the issues.

It's awfully hard to see through the mud to determine who most closely aligns with your personal opinions and beliefs.

[wingFeather]

It's awfully hard to see through the mud to determine who most closely aligns with your personal opinions and beliefs.

On that note, look at this hillarious ad that popped up here on NICO:http://acsa.net/cain2004.org/?...AZR6w What a joke...

[HashiriyaS14]

I'll refine my position even further -

While I'm encouraged by this news, I'd hope that people across America will eschew traditional mainstream media news sources and actually educate themselves on the candidates and the issues.

It's awfully hard to see through the mud to determine who most closely aligns with your personal opinions and beliefs.

I agree.

And for what it's worth, I don't see much of this occurring. Most Hillary supporters are very liberal in their social views, especially considering abortion. This will not mesh well with the GOP ticket.

Normal people who don't stand to make the news by switching will probably vote Obama/Biden. I'm not saying this because I'm biased, I'm saying it because the issues positions are nearly identical to a theoretical Hillary ticket.

[AZhitman]

Actually, I think you're seeing an interesting phenomenon in the populace.

Jesda touched on it - People don't REALLY give a damn about the abortion issue. Sure, they'll rant and rave and wave signs, but their voting doesn't really reflect their views.

People care about REAL issues that impact THEM: The economy, education, taxes, crime, and other meaningful issues that impact more than a small sliver of the population.

Remember, abortion rights, while many have an opinion, only TRULY impact a single-digit percentage of the population.

[HashiriyaS14]

Remember, abortion rights, while many have an opinion, only TRULY impact a single-digit percentage of the population.

Yeah, maybe so, but regardless, ardent Hillary feminists are indisputably part of that single-digit percentage. These are 1960's bra-burning baby boomer women, they aren't going to vote for a pro-life candidate.

People who were maybe "on the fence" Hillary supporters are another matter and may legitimately be up for grabs, but the core Hillarites are very very very liberal.

[Jesda]

but the core Hillarites are very very very liberal.

And very, very angry at Obama (for various illegitimate reasons). Many of them are more inclined to write in Hillary, stay home, or protest vote for Nader, McKinney, or McCain, who is now more palatable (to them) with Palin. Anger finds an outlet and transcends political beliefs.

These are female-power voters, not necessarily liberal voters. They're more interested in having strong women in charge than they are in the specifics of their agenda.

Still, most Hillary fans will be supporting Obama, but a large enough portion will be voting for Palin. I say Palin because they'd never vote for McCain without her.

[audtatious]

There are quite a number of Hillary voters that think the Obama train ran them over (per hillaryclintonforums). I posted a link in another thread to a site where they were running interview videos of the caucus issues where it is alleged that Obama campaign workers cheated to get the number of votes he had. They are also irritated that he picked Biden over Hillary and claim to see that McCain is far less sexist than the Obama camp.

[srellim234]

Jesda touched on it - People don't REALLY give a damn about the abortion issue. Sure, they'll rant and rave and wave signs, but their voting doesn't really reflect their views.

People care about REAL issues that impact THEM: The economy, education, taxes, crime, and other meaningful issues that impact more than a small sliver of the population.

It's an amazing coincidence that you should make that statement. I had a great discussion with a female friend of the family yesterday about this very issue.

She and her husband are one-issue voters, and the issue that determines their vote is abortion. Very religious, they feel that killing is wrong and that if they ever vote for a candidate who will allow abortion in any form, they will have to answer on their judgement day for it. All other issues are tie breakers in the event they are faced with two "ban abortion" candidates. Faced with all candidates allowing abortion in some form, they simply don't vote for any of them.

There may be more of those voters than you think.

[AZhitman]

It's an amazing coincidence that you should make that statement. I had a great discussion with a female friend of the family yesterday about this very issue.

She and her husband are one-issue voters, and the issue that determines their vote is abortion. Very religious, they feel that killing is wrong and that if they ever vote for a candidate who will allow abortion in any form, they will have to answer on their judgement day for it. All other issues are tie breakers in the event they are faced with two "ban abortion" candidates. Faced with all candidates allowing abortion in some form, they simply don't vote for any of them.

There may be more of those voters than you think.

You may well be right.

Actually, now that I think of it, the Mormon faith is quite numerous, has more money than the Catholics, and is VERY [quietly] influential.

I'll have to ask my LDS friend about this.... That's a MONSTER vote swing right there. Not a population that should be underestimated.

[96Qowner]

There has been a 20 point swing in the preference of White women since Palin's speech.

An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life...s2008

This is what I thought would happen when I saw the look in the eyes of the female commentators after Sarah's amazing speech. They were moved. The next day, I polled the regulars on political sites and they all said that the water cooler talk among women was all about excitement and hope. My wife runs a woman's clothing boutique and is a regular (like Palin) in a woman's workout club. She said everyone was raving about Sarah the next few days.

I don't think this is a "bounce". Palin is the Real Deal. She bridges the political spectrum. Women respect and admire her and are proud of the way she carries herself, and of her victories over the good ol boy network in Alaska.

[HashiriyaS14]

I'll have to ask my LDS friend about this.... That's a MONSTER vote swing right there. Not a population that should be underestimated.

But, unfortunately for McCain, it's concentrated in what is already a seriously "Red" state.

If he can pull a bunch of Mormons he's not already pulling it's great for him in the popular vote, but I'm not sure if it'll make any real electoral (i.e. meaningful) impact.

[srellim234]

It's not just Mormons. It's Catholics. It's many southern churches. It could also be members of more liberal churches who still happen to feel that way about abortion.

I think there might be significant numbers of these people all over the country, quietly going about their daily grind but voting based on this one issue when election time comes.

[audtatious]

Interesting comments today:

"South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate " whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Fowler told my colleague Alex Burns in an interview that the selection of an opponent of abortion rights would not boost McCain among many women.

“Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don’t think it helped him,” she said.

Told of McCain's boost in the new ABC/Washington Post among white women following the Palin pick, Fowler said: "Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway.""

[AZhitman]

John McCain has chosen a running mate whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.

"Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway.""

Wow.

Anyone here from South Carolina needs to be writing a letter.

Apparenly, it'll have to be in crayon, as Ms. Fowler appears to be functionally mentally retarded.

[szh]

“Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don’t think it helped him,” she said.

Told of McCain's boost in the new ABC/Washington Post among white women following the Palin pick, Fowler said: "Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway.""

She is in complete denial of the facts. The Gallup poll shows a 20% change towards McCain-Palin in that category. Apparently, many of the women who are swinging to the McCain-Palin camp are indeed, Democrat women who were supporting Hillary - although I do not know how many of them are in that percentage.

More and more, it is looking like the selection of Gov. Palin was the right decision.

Z

[ishkabibble]

It was a good decision in terms of political strategy.

[szh]

It was a good decision in terms of political strategy.

Yes. And more ...

Z

[ishkabibble]

I wouldn't go that far. She's an unknown quantity, overstates her performance, and lacks objectivity. She may not be good for America. We'll know more after Ms. Lipstick speaks off the cuff a few times.

[szh]

We'll know more after Ms. Lipstick speaks off the cuff a few times.

Yup. We shall see how she does ...

Z

[szh]

(Two posts deleted ... off-topic and more personal than necessary.)

Let's keep it on the high road.

Thanks,

Z