A Fire Remembered

[telcoman]

For those opposed to any kind of Federal, State, or Local regulation you may have missed this in your history class.

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/

http://blog.nj.com/perspective/2011/03/ ... ion_t.html

“From 1932 to 1935, FDR faced constant labor unrest,” Golin said. Huge strikes in 1934 shut down major cities and millions took to the streets. “It was the workers prodding the government to protect worker rights, the same as workers attempted to do in Wisconsin this year,” Golin said. “It’s the story of people rising together to get a decent life, not just a surviving life.”

Is history repeating itself in Wisconsin?

Seems like it to me.

There is an HBO special on the commeration this week but unfortunately I am too cheap to pay for HBO so I will miss it.

Telcoman

[themadscientist]

Of course you don't have HBO, you won't buy something with your own money; you're a liberal.

The unions have become parasites, but they are a necessary counterbalance to big business which are predators. Either side unchecked is bad.

[AZhitman]

If you send a letter to Obama, I'm sure he'll create some sort of special taxpayer-funded giveaway program to make sure people like you have HBO.

Then again, lots of liberals sit on their a$$es in front of the TV. That's why MTV, Showtime and HBO exist - to entertain the mouthbreathers while the rest of us are out building, doing, creating, and succeeding.

[Eikon]

Wow.. whatever you're smoking Telco.. it cannot be legal.
To compare the triangle fire to the Wisconsin collective bargaining dispute... finally convinces me that you only post on this forum as a comedian.

[C-Kwik]

If you send a letter to Obama, I'm sure he'll create some sort of special taxpayer-funded giveaway program to make sure people like you have HBO.

Then again, lots of liberals sit on their a$$es in front of the TV. That's why MTV, Showtime and HBO exist - to entertain the mouthbreathers while the rest of us are out building, doing, creating, and succeeding.

Hey, don't throw generalize the rest of us with Telco. My TV isn't even hooked up to an antenna, let alone cable TV.

[themadscientist]

A tv not turned on is a sculpture.

[AZhitman]

Hey, don't throw generalize the rest of us with Telco. My TV isn't even hooked up to an antenna, let alone cable TV.

...trust me, Chano - you're not a real libby, no matter how much you think you are.

Then again, Howie thinks I'm a GOP'er. Sadly, sadly mistaken. Guess that's what happens when you don't get enough clean air, and you fill your brain with DailyKos and Keith Olbertarrd all day long.

[themadscientist]

He Olberman, remember when you had a show?

[C-Kwik]

A tv not turned on is a sculpture.

Not being hooked up to an antenna doesn't mean it gets no use. There are plenty of other things to display on a TV via DVD/BD/HDDVD players, XBOX 360, and HTPC.

[telcoman]

If you send a letter to Obama, I'm sure he'll create some sort of special taxpayer-funded giveaway program to make sure people like you have HBO.

Then again, lots of liberals sit on their a$$es in front of the TV. That's why MTV, Showtime and HBO exist - to entertain the mouthbreathers while the rest of us are out building, doing, creating, and succeeding.

The reason HBO, Sirius XM and other pay services exist is because of people like you pushing censorship on the rest of us. Now the wack jobs are going after Sesame Street to make that a pay service.

[themadscientist]

If Greg was pushing censorship there would be a blank space where your post was. Better use of the pixels IMO.

[C-Kwik]

The reason HBO, Sirius XM and other pay services exist is because of people like you pushing censorship on the rest of us. Now the wack jobs are going after Sesame Street to make that a pay service.

WTF? Are you saying someone is trying to censor Sesame Street?

[themadscientist]

Yes. Apparently "the street" is rife with promiscuous sex

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_49VS4n ... re=related[/youtube]

[AZhitman]

The reason HBO, Sirius XM and other pay services exist is because of people like you pushing censorship on the rest of us.

No, the reason pay service exist is because "wack jobs" like you who don't have a problem with p0rn on prime time television, and say things like, "If you don't want to watch it, turn it off."

Common decency is conveniently ignored by short-sighted people (yes, you) who don't comprehend that there's a slippery slope here. But, if you're OK with the "anything goes" society, don't cry when your sensibilities get offended (and they will).

[audtatious]

It's OK when others are offended by their actions but NOT the other way around.

Didn't you know that Greg?

[IBCoupe]

I find it interesting that every Telco thread turns back into a discussion about Telco.

[themadscientist]

Why, whatever are you suggesting?

[AZhitman]

I find it interesting that every Telco thread turns back into a discussion about Telco.

Well, there's rarely anything substantive, so it devolves quickly.

It's quite insidious. I'm fairly convinced "he" is actually a bored housewife with a penchant for watching reruns of Rosanne Barr's political rants.

[AZhitman]

Revisiting this topic....

Another article on the Triangle Fire: http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/24/news/Tr ... htm?hpt=C1

This isn't a "union" issue. This isn't a collective bargaining issue. It's not even a "working conditions" issue.

The existence of OSHA, modern building codes, UL, and labor laws preclude these types of tragedies today (and they should).

But the writer's claim that the fire "gave rise to unions" ascribes an importance and a nobility to those groups that is unwarranted and undeserved. Irresponsible journalism.

[IBCoupe]

Greg, OSHA was established in 1970.

Where do you think most of our employment law comes from? Standards for working conditions? Limits on hours?

Unions fought for everything you're taking for granted in these federal regulations. They're the basis for our federal regulations. Imagine what we might take for granted fifty years from now.

[AZhitman]

Understood. I'm timeline-impaired.

...and, I guess it begs the question, when will their work be "done"?

[themadscientist]

Unions will always be necessary to counterbalance ownership. The problem comes when it stops being about fair compensation and starts to take on the sour flavor of extortion. Pre-union industrial America was a productive, but exploitive and deadly environment. Post-union industrial America is mothballed factories and dead towns. Neither is desirable.

[IBCoupe]

^This, although, I don't know that the mothballed factories can totally be blamed on unions. The kinds of manufacturing jobs you're looking for didn't go overseas right away. First, they went to the South, where there wasn't nearly as much unionization. Then, despite the lack of unionization, they went overseas.

But as unions rise and labor standards with them in other countries, I'd look for more of a balanced situation in the coming decades.

[telcoman]

Revisiting this topic....

Another article on the Triangle Fire: http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/24/news/Tr ... htm?hpt=C1

This isn't a "union" issue. This isn't a collective bargaining issue. It's not even a "working conditions" issue.

The existence of OSHA, modern building codes, UL, and labor laws preclude these types of tragedies today (and they should).

But the writer's claim that the fire "gave rise to unions" ascribes an importance and a nobility to those groups that is unwarranted and undeserved. Irresponsible journalism.

Thanks for posting

CNN is scheduled to air the HBO documentary "Triangle: Remembering the Fire" on Saturday night, March 26 at 11 p.m., eastern time; 8 p.m. pacific time.

Just set the TIVO to record it

No need to pay for HBO

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

Also, there's a GREAT article in Wired Magazine this month about why "outsourcing" is dying. Manufacturing should be returning to the US with a vengeance (if corporate tax issues can be addressed).

Great article, well worth a read.

[telcoman]

Also, there's a GREAT article in Wired Magazine this month about why "outsourcing" is dying. Manufacturing should be returning to the US with a vengeance (if corporate tax issues can be addressed).

Great article, well worth a read.

Thanks but where is the link?

[IBCoupe]

You mean this one, Greg?

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/03/62780

[telcoman]

You mean this one, Greg?

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/03/62780

Thanks

I think perhaps Greg has reached the hill?

He will be over it soon

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

You mean this one, Greg?

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/03/62780

No, and I'm not sure what purpose that served.

[AZhitman]

Also, there's a GREAT article in Wired Magazine this month about why "outsourcing" is dying. Manufacturing should be returning to the US with a vengeance (if corporate tax issues can be addressed).

Great article, well worth a read.

Thanks but where is the link?

It's a magazine - see above: "Wired Magazine".