97 S14 vs 2000 Prelude SH

[hayato kazami]

hey guys!

I have a turbo KA S14, and i race with a 2000 Prelude SH, that car is pretty fast, but still, i kick his *** on the corner, so bad!

I always think that FF car can't compare to FR car in Corner, just like in Best Motoring 6, S14 vs integra type R, S14 wins. I am glad that i have a FR car

But what happen is, i have a friend, he is drive a S13, NA KA24DE, 155hp, not too bad, race the same prelude at the corner again, he told me that he lost to the prelude, holy hell!!!

I think it is only because he is a not good driver..... I think even Stock S13 can beat predule on the corner!

What do you guys think?

[Onizuka]

too many unknown factors for me to be bench racing

[Kaioshin1982]

thought prelude was a decent car on conering? and yeah too many details needed to know which car is better

[SeVa-S13]

Possibly at what speed this was occuring? Angle of turn? Suspension setups? Phase of the moon?

[Onizuka]

tire compound, driver skill, car milage, stock options, weight reductions, accidents the car has been in, rust damage... etc etc etc

all these things play factors, and in "curvy racing" there are so many factors and so many mistakes that can happen there is never a clear cut pre determined winner.

[UncleBen]

The 5th gen Prelude TypeSH's have a system called ATTS for Active Torque Transfer System, which transfers torque the the wheel that needs it the most during cornering. It really does work. Makes for a good handing 'lude. I doubt a stock s13 could beat it. What do you have done to your suspension? If its modded, then I'm sure you can take him. If you are running on stock suspension, then either you are a good driver, the 'lude dude isn't a good driver, or the s13 guy is just pathetic.

[GEO]

what about ina striaght line?

[UncleBen]

A turbo KA would take a 5th gen pretty easily, depending on boost, etc. But, NA, the 'lude will win hands down.

[hayato kazami]

well, i don't know if the S13 ever fall in to any accident, but my S14 did.... it was stupid truck driver, crush right on the wheel on the back of the driver side. It was a very very serious damage, i thought i could total lost it, but it was only few thousand dollars damage, so they have to fit it.

They just get all the new parts, links, and suspensions for my car, it seem okey when i drive it now. But i feel the handling is a little off when i drive it fast.......

I don't know, it may because the car is 6 years old now, the old part cannot work with the new parts, or it is time to get some upgrade. But hopefully that accident would hurt my car too much!

What do you guys think>??? do i need a new car? ^_^

[TachyonS14]

SH Preludes are nice cars. My good friend has one, and they are pretty damn quick In 3rd gear too, but what did you expect lol? You have a boosted FR layout, I would expect It to be no contest.

[rico05]

Don't screw around w/ a Prelude. Espicially with the ATTS on the SH. Big power, great grip, and light weight makes all the difference. I don't know why people get off saying that FF are trash in the twisties. Bad drivers say that kind of thing. FF layout does tend to make understeer an issue, but with proper throttle control and setup, FF can be quite potent.

As for saying that the Silvia beat the ITR, I would need to see the setups on the cars to tell you why. I say, don't mess with the Prelude unless you are good.

[UncleBen]

I dont know about the *lightweight* comment, but everything else, you are right. Integra's are great handling cars, they are FF. My buddies Accord ('94, coilovers, tokico's) handles almost as good, if not *as* good as my s14.

[apzak]

Don't SH have 4 wheel steering? what are passenger's impressions of 4 wheel steering? Does it make the driver appear more skilful? I know bmws give people the impression the driver is skillful. wouldn't 4 wheel steering be better for autocross? Theres a HICAS fastback i want to look at to see if i like 4 wheel steering.(I hear u either love it or hate it) I just want to hear passengers impressions of it.

[UncleBen]

No, they dont have 4WS. Some 4th gen 'Ludes had the 4WS option, but not the 5th gens. I've never ridden in a s13 with hicas, or a prelude w/ 4ws, so I have no idea about how it feels either.

[hayato kazami]

well, you are right, FF car have a lot of potential, but you gotta remeber that it is born to be understeering, even the top of the line, integra type R will have understeer too. install LSD will help a lot, but FF is FF.

For predule, it is 1260kg, not that light... compare to S14, 1250kg, 1280 with A/C, S13 1220kg. their weight is pretty close.

For SH, Jackson racing had test drive on both car, they said the ATTS is not as helpful as the honda mention, LSD is way better, but that ATTS give the predule another 40lbs.

Even the best 4WD will have understeering sometime, FF? for sure~

I never say FF sucks, i had a Honda SIR before, with proper setup, the car is fast and easy to drive, but their corner speed is limited, compare to FR car, FR can keep accelerate in the corner. And FR car always need more skill to handle!

If FF really that good, why honda have to make S2000 to be FR instead of FF as they use to.....

For the best motoring 6, ITR vs S14, this two car have same track time, but when they go for the sharp corner, ITR lose so bad. Even the professional driver "drift king" keep yell out the car is "under, under, under"

Also, The track time of Spoon ITR is slower than the stock 280hp RX7 type R.

FF is good, but not as good as FR