93 240sx vs 98 auto prelude vtech

[smokin240]

I have someone challenging me to a race, ive been thinking about it for awhile because theres money on the line. I have a manuel KA24DE and he has Vtech in his, but its an automatic. I think thats around 190 HP but don't know the other facts. Would be a drag race, no drifting cause its obvious who would win

[Vkoslak]

Is your car stock?If so, I think the prelude would win.

Unless they think they can drive and use the manu-matic mode but they suck and dont shift at the right spots.Automagics are easy to drag race, consistant launches, no missed gears, no letting off the throttle. It's basically when the light turns green, mash this pedal. A trained chimp could do it. A chimp probably wouldnt do a camaro fly-by after being beaten though.

[240SXer]

As long as you've got good tires and know how to give a crazy launch you can probably get a good enough lead off the line to hold him off the 1/4 mile. Just make sure you guys go from a stop. No rolls. And make sure it's ONLY a 1/4 mile, not till he gets ahead. I think you've got a good chance.

[fuzion]

FYI - VTech makes telephones and childrens computers.

VTEC is the variable timing.

[Kaioshin1982]

^^

[MainEvent212]

VTECH is where i wanted to go to school till i forgot to get good grades

[k6kicker]

They also can't beat WVU in football

[onosqv]

When are you racing?

If it's not too soon, I mite be able to test race my friend w/ a prelude (think it's a late 90's model) who has both a manual supped up and a stock automatic.

I have an 89 automatic w/ basic upgrades, intake, headers, hi-flow cat, exhaust.

If I can keep up with either car, then you shouldn't have a problem .

P.S. Diss VTEC all you want, but those things are pretty fast. :P

[KDashy]

Ah if only Nissan implemented variavle valve timing for the 240's.

[onosqv]

Ah if only Nissan implemented variavle valve timing for the 240's.

My friend is putting VTEC into his Integra because he has the older model w/o the VTEC. He's putting it in because it's a cheaper route than Turbo, and he can always and Turbo a little later with even better performance. I believe he's getting it done for somewhere in the ballpark of 1k, which is pretty good considering the performance increase.

Actually, I think you can put VTEC into Nissan engines... with enough money of course. hahahahaha.

[KDashy]

Haha, it might be easier than that, I beleive the S15's used Nissans Varible Valve Timing. Can anyone confirm this?

[180fan]

doesnt nissan have something like that, like on the s14 sr's?

[KDashy]

doesnt nissan have something like that, like on the s14 sr's?

Yeah, at one point the Silvas started using it but I'm not sure what the point is, since its turbo already.

With the Prelude pulling nearly 200 horsepower off of a 2.2 liter. You'd think that if the 240's 2.4 liter engine had some sort of variable valve timing technology it could easily match it, but we'll never know.

[BaliLover]

I have a 92 Accord 4 door with the H22 Auto in it. Only mods were exhaust and intake, and I had no problem beating 5 speed DOHC 240s with exhausts and intakes. Off the line, the 240 will take the lead, but by mid 2nd gear the Prelude should be taking the lead. It was this way time and time again when I used to race my friend.

My H22 came from a 95 JDM Prelude SIR and had 10.6:1 compression, I'm not sure if the USDMs are the same compression ratios though.

[KDashy]

I had a choice of cars, a 99 5 speed Prelude with 140K miles or my 97 auto 240 with 105K miles,.

I took the 240 and never looked back.

[Morph]

Here's a great way to find out who would win......RACE HIM you will never know who will win till you do.

[cesarmd7]

Haha, it might be easier than that, I beleive the S15's used Nissans Varible Valve Timing. Can anyone confirm this?

Yes it did, the s14 too and the z32 and a few others but it's NOT VTEC, Variable Valve Timing only adjusts the timing at lower RPMs for a stronger low-end hp but it doesn't increase the valve lift. Nissan’s version of VTEC is called NEO VVL, there’s several cars in Japan that had it, off the top of my head I remember the Pulsar, I believe from the late 90's, it came with an SR16VE and made 170ps all motor (its a lot like the B16A) there was also a limited edition pulsar N1 that was factory tuned (like the in Integra type R) with 200ps out of a 1.6 liter engine it has better HP per liter ratio than and S2000, too bad it was FWD.

[Oatmealman]

dude 93 vtech honda puts out about the same as a 240 does at the wheels,but watch out when the vtech kicks in you screwed over,just get a good lauch,floor it,waste his *** and collect the money,also go to this site then watch these panzys play with there ludesprelude site

[KDashy]

A 93 VTEC (prelude) puts out 190 at the crank. and even if you were talking about the Prelude Si, Thats a 2.3 liter engine and rated at 160 Horsepower, which is a lot close to the 240SX.

At the wheels, rear wheel drive cars lose more crank horsepower than Front wheel drive cars do.

[Florida240sx]

don't the prelude's run 15.5 stock?That's what i heard..from an unrealiable source though. Kid i know has a prelude i smoke with ease. He had a 7 car lead on me in front of me at the light and we turned and i though we were goign to stop i stopped and he punched it.Time i got on the throttle he was aroun 7 cars. Blew past him around 75mph. Light in front of us turned red no cars he turned down a side street to avoid a true race cuz he was afraid. This was an older model prelude though. One of the newer ones was messing with me and I'd pull away a bit then I had to turn and let off throttle for about 1 sec and he blew past me. We started in 2nd gear and left him behind a bit middle of third i had to turn. Just went into neutral. He was gaining on me pretty quick though. I think the race would all be decided off the line.

[Oatmealman]

yah ludes are peppy but not that peppy my bro has a manual 3000gt sl and he runs 16.1 1/4,i don't think a 4 banger is gonna run 15.5 BS

[KDashy]

Welll, you have to remind youself the SL is an extremely heavy car., and has 222 Horsepower. Now it if were the VR-4 it'd be running low 14's

[180fan]

~200 hp or not, aren't they very heavy? I've driven my friends 93 lude and damn it handles like a slug and he's considering going back to his EG6. I think the 15.5 1/4 mile is bs too. Another buddy has a 01 prelude and is an excellent driver and has admitted that whoever said the 15.5 is stock is total bs that's with his manual transmission too. If you ever get any doubt about a win, get a friend in the passengers seat and toss a box of nails out the window lol

[elesjuan]

Maybe I'm slightly old fashion, but I have to say DoD > VVT ANY day of the week.

[bobert486]

160hp prelude Si w/ 4 sp auto runs 16.0- 16.1 and thats really common. some auto ludes have ran 15.8 but thats pushing it. for a 160hp si manual its not uncommon to see 15.4-15.8 1/4 mile runs.

just because car "A" has a V6 and car "B" has a 4cyc doesnt automatically mean car "A" is faster. if that were tru, then why are semi trucks so slow and integra type R running 14.8 stock? oh yea its called weight, among other factors too. ohh bobert youre and idiot a semi truck VS a car!??!? well.......tahts tru, its not comparible but the concept is the same, just more exaggerated out for idiots to visualize.

yes, those 3000gt cars are heavy and bulky as heck.

[s13EastTN]

now, I was under the impression that some vtec preludes just had a SOHC engine out of an accord. I know the basic level prelude had the SOHC non vtec engine. If it is SOHC vtec, then I say you still have a good chance, since my 80 hp honda civic did a pretty good job of keeping up with one.

[smokin240]

Yeah, havent raced him yet. will probably be in a month or so. I think I can hold him off atleast until his vtech kicks in. I get better starts off the line than an sv650 (raced one), but obviously lost in long run. I have some pretty good tires. I bought em off trading post paper, there from a stock lancer rally version, OZ rally racing rims and tires on it. So there rally tires I know that, but ill check later.

[Oatmealman]

you should be close to winning by the time vtech kicksin(vtec's kick in at the higher rpms,so just be carfull,remember don't race on the street race on the track,my freind almost got killed from street racing he was goin like 140 and his tires wern't rated for that speed and one blew he crashed in to the meadian was in the hospital for 2 weeks.

[BaliLover]

92-96 Preludes have 3 possible engines. One is a 2.2l SOHC non-vtec F22, shared with the Accord platform. I think its 130hp. One is an H23, 2.3l DOHC non-vtec with 160ish. Lastly is the H22 2.2l DOHC VTEC putting out 200hp, This body style prelude with the H22 was not available in Auto. That body style Prelude weighs less than my 4 door Accord, and my 4 door sharing the same H22 but with a JDM Auto trans beats 240s all the time.

The 97-present Prelude only came with the DOHC H22 but was available with a tiptronic Auto or 5 speed. The tiptronic is a crappy transmission thats only a cool concept on paper. This car is rated at 195hp. I raced 2 of the Autos in my 4 door and I had a fender on them both anytime we raced. I'd still say that as long as the guy with the prelude doesn't mess up somehow, he'll still take out the KA24de by a pretty decent margin.

I am NOT however saying that the Auto H22 is a fast engine, its not, and if it was I wouldn't have parked my 4 door and swapped my 240.

Oh, VTEC kicks in at 5200-5400 RPMs in the H22 and with the auto it doesn't normally drop out of it between shifts so he will be in his power band by the top of first and stay in it the rest of the way. THats why I never came off the line ahead against 240s, but by 2nd gear I was ahead.

[bobert486]

that is correct. preludes(97-01) all came w/ vtec but the automatic ones were a joke. they werent fast as the transmission robbed the engines power but since those motors revv w/ such ease and rev fast, it can get into the powerband faster thus producing a "quicker" car. if u raced from a stop, you could get it off the line in first.........then its byebye for you, but not by too much.

manual transmission H22, yea stock 240 or even slighty modded ones are toast. watch out for the 92-96(curvy styling) preludes. some had the H22 VTEC plus they were much lighter than the current generation. its something like 2890lbs. car adn driver ran 0-60 in 6.5 back in the day and that car mad 10 best 3 years in a row.