90 Q45 VS. 97 Lincoln Mark 8 lsc

[Qship4life]

My brothers got one and we were having a little argument and i think he is underestimating the power of the Q. What do you all think?

[tkd_q45]

Tell you bro to put down the crack pipe!

What does he think better about the Lincoln?

[Rex]

Interesting thread, w/ link to a Mark VIII forum .

[elwesso]

The mark 8 might have a little more low end power, and a softer ride due to the air suspension, but the Q will have a better overall feel... its also kind of unfair to compare a 90 Q and a 97 Lincoln... Maybe a 90-93 Q and a 93-95 MarkVIII

[qship96]

both are so old that the main difference will be which one has been maintained better with parts replacment to return ride/performance to near new

[elwesso]

I agree, but you can compare apples and apples by how the different magainzes liked the car back when it was new...

I think itd be closer for a 97 Q and a 97 LSC, and id obviously take a 97 LSC over the 97 Q, way faster with a lot of other goodies.

[Jesda]

The Mark's air suspension is quite stiff. The reason for the air ride is to lower the car automatically at high speeds.

If it was a 93-96, I'd say the Mark VIII wins by a hair. 97-98 Marks were more luxurious than previous generations but heavier as well. Marks have the low-end advantage but like the Q, are crippled by gearing.

Stock, I say its a tossup.

[Qship4life]

we might have to run em to find out for sure he dosnt stand a chance top end but maybe in the quarter mile

[CrimsonQ]

I think itd be closer for a 97 Q and a 97 LSC, and id obviously take a 97 LSC over the 97 Q, way faster with a lot of other goodies.

Yeah but the 97 Q's are still running:)

MN12 chassis sucked. Ive owned 2 (cougar.t-bird) IRS was cool I guess.Any T-Bird, Cougar, Mark series off that chassis were junk boxes. Cheap plastics and electronics.

Yes the Mark 8 is faster, but not unique:)

[Rex]

... I think itd be closer for a 97 Q and a 97 LSC, and id obviously take a 97 LSC over the 97 Q, way faster with a lot of other goodies.

Any stats 0-60, 1/4 mile etc?

[elwesso]

Just going from memory they are about as fast a ECU'd 90-96, 14.8ish in the .25

[Jesda]

Yeah but the 97 Q's are still running:)

MN12 chassis sucked. Ive owned 2 (cougar.t-bird) IRS was cool I guess.Any T-Bird, Cougar, Mark series off that chassis were junk boxes. Cheap plastics and electronics.

Big improvements in 97 offered new styling, ADP, HIDs, and a really nicely appointed interior on par with Lexus. The leather isn't as nice as BMW or MB, but for 97 its a little softer than in the Q. The Intech 4.6 will run forever, and ever, and ever. Lots of 300-400k engines out there. The Mark is my third choice after the Q and Seville. Its the cheapest to own and maintain of my top three.

[maxnix]

MK VIII limited to 114 mph because of driveshaft, unless it is an LSC, then 131 mph.

New Lexus 450h fast to 60 mph (5.2 sec.), but limited to 130 mph top speed.

Any G50 will walk away from any of them if you can find the room.

[Jesda]

An aftermarket chip will remove the speed limiter on the Mark. Stock, I've taken a '93 to 135 and let off because it was a poorly maintained road.

The Q45's top end is definitely a force to be reckoned with.

[irax]

personaly... the Q is more of a cheaper(price wise only) BMW 5 series, and the Mk 8 isnt really much to right home about, its very comfy, but it feels kinda floaty driving down the road. Its roomy, it sucks down gas, its a seniorcitizens car(IMHO)

[Q_SHIP]

I think itd be closer for a 97 Q and a 97 LSC, and id obviously take a 97 LSC over the 97 Q, way faster with a lot of other goodies.

Dude, put the pipe down. You would take a freekin ford over a Q? You seem to really have somthing against the Y33. I don't get it.

Those lincolns are garbage.

[Jesda]

personaly... the Q is more of a cheaper(price wise only) BMW 5 series, and the Mk 8 isnt really much to right home about, its very comfy, but it feels kinda floaty driving down the road. Its roomy, it sucks down gas, its a seniorcitizens car(IMHO)

Unless you're talking about the Continental or Town Car, all of the above doesn't apply. The Mark is a different animal.

It gets 24-25mpg at 70mph and the ride is firm, firmer than the G50. Its roomy for a coupe, but interior space is otherwise similar to the Q with a little more front leg room at the expense of the rear. I spent a month with a 93 Mark and loved it.

I'd also take a 97 Mark over a 97 Q, partly because the 97-98 Mark has a more inviting interior, but thats really apples to oranges. One's a luxury sport coupe and the other is a touring sedan, so my opinion on that doesn't really mean much -- I'd take Roselyn Sanchez nude over all of the above, so what does that mean in the real world?

[elwesso]

Dude, put the pipe down. You would take a freekin ford over a Q? You seem to really have somthing against the Y33. I don't get it.

Those lincolns are garbage.

I'd also take a 97 Mark over a 97 Q, partly because the 97-98 Mark has a more inviting interior, but thats really apples to oranges. One's a luxury sport coupe and the other is a touring sedan, so my opinion on that doesn't really mean much -- I'd take Roselyn Sanchez nude over all of the above, so what does that mean in the real world?

I think itd be a toss up between a 97 LSC and a 99-01 Q, but the LSC has a great interior (superior to the 97-98 Q41 IMO), a more powerful engine, it might handle better (the jury may still be out on that), and theres more goodies that it comes with... Just because its made by infiniti doesnt mean I have to like it!!! I really dont like many of infiniti's products other than the G50 Q, and M45s, and maybe the FX if its the FX45.. All that other stuff isnt very good for what I like!

[Q_SHIP]

Just giving you hell wes.

I know my choice would be a 97 Q.

[elwesso]

Just giving you hell wes.

I know my choice would be a 97 Q.

no problem, keeps me on my toes.....

[TgduMg]

I'd take Roselyn Sanchez nude over all of the above,

If I was getting either to resale, of course it would be the one that is likely to be more profitable.

But as far as one to keep, I've got that brand loyalty thing so I'd just end up selling the Mk to get a (F)Y33 or other Nissan brand. Brand loyalty is a disease, but a disease that I am happily living with at this point in my life.

And BTW. I'd take Roselyn Sanchez fully clothed and hopefully the nudity would eventually come.



Danisiti 1

[elwesso]

just to qualify my opinion, i have driven or ridden in neither, so my opinion is not as valid as some, but from what I know there it is.

[Falkdesigns]

Comparing a coupe to a sedan? And 97-98 Y33 interior is inferior to 99-01?? Crazy much? There are three changes between 97/98 and 99-01: the center consol lost the wood trim in 99-01, the rear seat gained movable head-rests, the power rear window shade. That is IT.

I have driven an 00 S55 AMG, it's a great car, and the interior on my 98 Y33 is just as nice, within 98% of a car that cost 2x as much.

Personally, I like Ford, if I buy domestic, it's Ford. Not much sense in comparing a coupe to a sedan though. When the Lincoln LS came out, I really liked it, it's been out just 6 years now, and IMO, they look older and more dated than Y33 Q45's already, and the seats SUCK.

Jesus christ, I'm sick of people refering to Y33 Q45's as "Q41" it's such an immature pot-shot. You holier than though folks that feel this need I got three words for you: You don't work for Infiniti / Nissan and have NOTHING to do with vehicle name choice, therefore your opinions on what they "should have" called it mean JACK (a little more than 3 words, lol). How many BMW's and Benz's are badged with engine sizes in the name that are not 100% accurate to what's actually under the hood???? DOZENS.

[Q_SHIP]

Tail lights are different and Xenons were an option as well for the 99+ Y33's.

I know you know this but I didnt see it mentioned. Thought I would add.

Edit: Im still looking for a decent looking "1" to replace my "5". That should take the fire away from the flame in this case.

[Falkdesigns]

I was strictly mentioning interior since that's what Wes compared.

Screw the "1". Infiniti named it a Q45, as I mentioned, there are DOZENS of cars with engine size in the name that are not 100% accurate. As far as I'm concerned, if the company that makes a product names it XYZ, that's what I will call it. Maybe others think they're super witty or whatever and come up with some cute alternative, but I go by what the manufacturer calls them. Maybe BENZ should change the S55 to the S53.5, or maybe the S56.8 would be nicer.

[elwesso]

the main point i was getting at is that there are enough other neato features on the 99-01 that make it worth considering.

[Rex]

Obviously, they brought over more of the interior "luxury" features in 99-01, that's why I'm looking at those specifically as a future option.

As for the bickering (by all), you'd have to be physically assaulting my kids to get anywhere near as much reaction from me.

I would like to see some C&D, MT or R&T documented test results for perspective. Keeping in mind mag numbers are just that mag numbers, "your mileage may vary".

[Jesda]

Strange how this discussion got off course from its original comparison of the first-generation Q to second-generation Mark VIII.

[Qship4life]

Dude, put the pipe down. You would take a freekin ford over a Q? You seem to really have somthing against the Y33. I don't get it.

Those lincolns are garbage.

HA thats what i like to hear, dont get me wrong i would take my brothers Mark over my ride ne day but thats cause im pushing 200 thousand and my car is seven years older. The mark does have style black on tan 5 % tints all the way around and its sitting on 18 inch cobra wheels. slick car but the Q still handles better thats why i love em in the next year or so im hoping to get my hands on a 96 Q mines just getting to old to keep putting money into the thing.

[Qship4life]

Jesus christ, I'm sick of people refering to Y33 Q45's as "Q41" it's such an immature pot-shot. You holier than though folks that feel this need I got three words for you: You don't work for Infiniti / Nissan and have NOTHING to do with vehicle name choice, therefore your opinions on what they "should have" called it mean JACK (a little more than 3 words, lol). How many BMW's and Benz's are badged with engine sizes in the name that are not 100% accurate to what's actually under the hood???? DOZENS.

I always thought it was the Q45 because of the 4.5 liter engine im confused?