90 240sx power seatbelt problem

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elvis240sx
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OK, as stated the car is a 90 240sx with power seatbelts. The drivers side works fine. Passenger side stopped working yesterday. It worked fine when the door was opened, but after the door was closed, it does not slide across to the persons chest. I thought that maybe the motor for it died. I pulled back all the panels around the seatbelt track and the seatbelt motor. Coming off the motor, were four wires which hooked four other wires on the track. IM not sure if im explaining this very well, but four wires went between the motor and the part of the track where the belt rests when it is holding a person in place. I pulled the harness apart and started to fool with it. With the key on, and the door closed, it still wouldnt work. I ran a wire straight from the ground on the battery, to one of the four wires on the motor side, NOT the track side. Viola! The seatbelt went acrossed to where it should be when someone is riding in the car! I opened the door, and the seatbelt slid across to where it should be when someone wants to get it. So, i pulled the ground wire off, and plugged the harnesses back together. When i opened the door again, the seatbelt slid arcoss fine and worked. But, when i closed it, the seatbelt wouldnt work anymore.

Basically, the problem is that the seatbelt will slid towards the windsheild like it is supposed to when the door is opened, but will not slid towards the passenger when the door is closed. What would cause this, or how would i check it? I think that it is either the little black button that is pushed in when the door closes, or part of the track itself?

Please help!:confused:


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p00t
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its not the motor, the ecu just get fooled and "forgets" that it has to protect passengers as well as the driver :D. its definately a glitch in the system, its fairly common.

1. open passenger door, shut off car, wait, then start back up and try closing passenger door.

2. with car running open the passenger door and follow the track all the way to the end. there should be a little switch that signals when the seatbelt is all the way at the end. try pressing it a few times, go crazy with it, the seatbelt might move while your doing this.

3. turn off the car and unplug the battery with passenger door open. wait 5 min, plug back in. start car, then close passenger door.

I WONDER WHY I KNOW ALL THESE METHODS SO WELL?!?!?

if none of these work, take it to a nissan dealership they have to fix it for free... its covered under lifetime safety warrenty.

NISTECH
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the limit swith at the end of the track where the buckle rests when the door is closed may have gone out. try this .close the door ,take a paper clip unfold it to 2 points. take the connector from the switch disconnect it and jump the 2 terminals in the connector from the harness to the car . if the belt slides back just replace the limit switch

elvis240sx
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I tried poots solutions but they didnt seem to work. At the end of the track near the seat, i think i see what youre talking about nistech. I took the black plate off of the part with the little switch or button thing. It has four wires coming off of it. Two went to the button you can push with you finger, and two others went from somewhere else higher up. I tryed using a screwdriver, paperclip, and even a little peice of wire to bridge the two terminals together but the seatbelt stil wont slide across. Normally, when the key on and the door open, the car will make a dinging sound to let you know the door is open. When i bridge either of these four wires, the sound stops, as if it thinks the door is closed. Does this mean that the switch still works correctly? Could the sensor that reads when the door is open or closed be the problem?

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haha thats very funny cuz i had exact same problem. sometimes it works some times not. under the center console there is a box. this controls the seat belts. what i did is kept disconnecting the battery till it worked again. once it went back up i pulled the plugs out of the seat belt control box so i dont have auto seat belts anymore. i have to do it the manual way. i promise if you play with it enough it will go back up then disconnect box. sorry but it is very glitchy. i thought they were a pain to begin with as im tall and always hit my head on the thing getting out. its not worth having a shop fix it i promise!

NISTECH
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try jumping the door latch switch. its gotta be one of the to not sending the signal to the control unit freakmech mentioned

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p00t
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i cant believe none of those worked for you :( one of those will work for me when it does that, but its random lol. oh well now i know what that box is for in the center console :cool:

you dont have to pay to get it fixed if you take it to a nissan dealership. its a safety related issue and is supposed to be taken care of under warrenty.

elvis240sx
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i have an extra set of latches and rods for the passenger side door that i got off of ebay when my drivers side door lock broke. i figure i will switch them out and see if the sensor in the door latch was causing the problem!

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ok, the latch wasnt broken. I tried one past time to jump the limit switch, and the seatbelt worked!! i must not have been getting a good connection before when i tried. Now that i know its the limit switch, should i order a brand new one from the dealer? im not sure how much they want for it. the local junkyard will sell me the whole track assembly, switch, and motor for the setabelt for $50. but then it is used, and how do i know it will work? The closest nissan dealer around here is about an hour drive, so are there any online dealers i can order this part off of? And what is it actually called? the limit switch?

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OK i fixed it!! I didnt need to buy any new parts or bring it to the dealer! Here is how it works. On the end of the track where the belt rests when the door is closed, are two switches. One of these switches is pushed when the belt goes to the end, and it tells the motor to stop. This worked fine. The other switch is the problem switch. When the switch is up, the contacts are touching each other and completing the circuit. When this happens, it knows to slide the belt across. ONce the belt gets to the end, it pushed this switch, along with the first one, and stops pulling. when the circuit is broken, via the switch being pushed, it knows that the belt is by th seat. So, when the door opens, and the circuit is broken, it knows the slide the belt towards the front of the car, if the door is closed and the circuit is completed, it knows the belt is up by the windsheild and needs to slide toward the seat.

here is what causes the problem. the cable that pulls and pushes the seatbelt back and forth is covered in a thick graphite type grease. this grease oozes out over time and gets all over the switch closest to it, the one that senses the position of the belt and knows to push it or pull it. Once the grease gets inside the switch, it covers the metal contacts on both sides of circuit within the switch. once the contacts are covered, the circuit is broken and the car thinks the belt is in thge right position with the door closed, since the circuit is broken, so it doesnt pull it towards the seat. once the door is opened, it tries to pull the belt back towards the windshield, but it is already sitting there, so it stops. this is what was causing my problem

solution: i pulled the switch that gets covered in grease out, and cleaned it.

for those of you having the problem, here is what to do. While sitting in the passenger seat, pull off the panel that is shaped kind of like a letter t. it has two screws in it, and is on the roof, as well as the side by the seatbelt. at the end of the track is a little black box with 3 screws holding the front panel on. pull this off, along with the next plastic panel behind it, which is smaller. you will see the two switches, which look like little black rectangles. on the right of these switches you can see the gray cable that pulls the seatbelt. the switch you want is the one on the right, and it also the one higher up. pull both switches out, and follow the wires down under the next panel and unplug the harness. pull this off the car. now is the tricky part. the switch you want has a green plastic peice holding it together. you have to pull the top sheath off the switch. i used a small screwdriver and needle nose pliers to pull it apart. now you can see the inside. a spring, and the small metal contacts. make sure not to lose anything, they are very small parts, and remember how it goes back together!! now, spray each part really well with carb cleaner and clean them gently with a toothbrush, or q tip, or whatever you want. once you get all of the thick gray grease off, put it back together! viola! Also, look all around where the switch fits in, and above it. scrape out all of the excess goop with a thin flat screwdriver. there is a ton of it!! once you put it all back together, plug it in and watch it work!! sorry i dont have pictures.

hope this helps anyone with problems! thanks everyone for trying to help me out! hope this helps you poot, and freakmech! it is well worth it in my opinion, took me about a half hour once i figured out what i needed to do.

NISTECH
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at the dealer we just replace the switch assembly. We dont clean them do to liability reasons. glad you found it

dvd
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since this is related to safety and you guys said its underwarrenty..what kind of warranty? Lifetime or limited. since mine does the same but only stops half way and sorta jerks. and i bought this car from like the 2nd owner.

NISTECH
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depends on the car. take it to the dealer and have them run dcs and tell you if its covered or not. weather its covered or not is based on the vin on your car

bobdhead39
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So if they stay back, how do I get them to go FWD again?

NISTECH
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if neither one of them works after putting the stereo in you need to check your fuses both in the car and under the hood. If only one is sticking you have the limit switch problem.

bobdhead39
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I have looked for a seatbelt fuse, and I have not found any. Could you direct me to a location.....?

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Also, My temp gauge does not work, as well as my clock. So I think I have blown a fuse also. Guess I could start looking at gauge cluster related fuses.

NISTECH
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look under the hood and check your fuse links as well.

bobdhead39
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Fuse links? Is that the large fuse blocks? Clock comes on, but does not keep time. And the seatbelts work if the key is in the ignition....

Any ideas?

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yes the blocks are your fuse links. the seat belts wont go to the back if the key is not on. they should return to the front when the door is opened weather or not the key is in.

bobdhead39
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oh yeah, temp gauge still is inop...

and the belts do not go FWD when the key is off. I know if the kety is off it should go fwd but it does not. As soon as I pull the key it stops no matter what position.

Thanks for your time, I appreciate it.

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Any more info would help.... Thanks again.

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bobhead... i'm pretty sure its one of the fuses inside your kick panel... i think i had the same problem.... does the clock turn off everytime you open the door? seatbelts dont release after you take out the key even if door is open? well if yours is similar, check that kick panel... i'll check later today on what fuse it was

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You are awesome, I will check today, and yes that is the problem I am having. Thanks a million. Will check like I said!

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okay well i went out to check.. but i forgot which one... but here are your choices... :

Room lamp 10ameter 10aair con 10a

if its not one of those, keep checking... its there somewhere... sorry for not being so helpful.. =/

j-z
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i had the same problem up until about 5 mins ago after i read this post. first thing i did was replace the switch by the windshield, and also jumped it, but that didnt do shlt. then i went on to do what OP said, and voila! shlt works now!!!!! i just took the green clip switch apart and the contacts looked fine but i cleaned them anyways with some greased lightning on a shop towel. then i noticed on the piece that actually moves one of the contact points was kinda high up to make contact, so i just bent that fvcker down (both of them actually) and put everything back together. put the key in and opened and shut the door and hey what do ya know.... thanks mang. i do know this is 4.5 years old but hey...

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for the win. cleaned that silver stuff off and bam! worked like a charm.

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mick
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I unplugged the seat belt computer. I hated the belts moving whenever I opened or closed the door.


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