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There are 18 million votes in the Hillary followers. 81% of them now favor Obama, up from 70% pre-DNC. Also McCain's support among the Clinton supporters is down from 16% to 12% and the 14% undecided have dropped to a mere 7%. I thought Palin's appointment was designed to woo Hillary's supporters?

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Then you can have your big O in the white house for four years and you can deal with the hicks counterstepping your every move. I'll just tighten up my belt for 4 years to try to survive the taxation I'm going to face while the big O pretty much turns our country over to the UN

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rn79870 wrote:I thought Palin's appointment was designed to woo Hillary's supporters?
No, I was wrong about that earlier. It was to acknowledge that women have rights too, that they are qualified to run for high office, and that the Republican party is willing to support those rights!

They act on it, not talk about it. That is what a Democratic woman leader said late last week.

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Originally, there can be no doubt that part of the decision to choose Sarah Palin was rooted in a desire to woo disenfranchised Hillary voters.

This is why Palin introduced herself to the public with the "18 million cracks" comment.

That said, I think the GOP has realized that her primary value lies in her ability to energize social conservatives, not in her ability to woo independent women who will be turned off by a pro-life pro-gun candidate.

I think Palin probably drove independent women TO the Obama ticket, not the other way around.

We will see if she was a good gamble or not. Maybe the decision to pick up social conservatives will help them in OH and PA, and maybe it won't. That's what really matters at this point.

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That assumes you believe gallup and other polls. With the way the MSM is actively attacking and making allegations about Palin it seriously brings into question the accuracy of anything being "reported" by the MSM.

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Let's see where the woman-bashing gets them... it's not leaked down to the average Hillarious fan yet.

Once it does, I can see that number changing.

Then again, women who supported Hillary aren't exactly what I'd have called "brilliant", so they may miss the entire importance of this issue.

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audtatious wrote:That assumes you believe gallup and other polls. With the way the MSM is actively attacking and making allegations about Palin it seriously brings into question the accuracy of anything being "reported" by the MSM.
Well there is plenty of good reading in the not so MSM

http://www.dailykos.com/

This is not going to stop until she resigns?

When is she going to meet the press?

How much time and money did the right waste on Whitewater?

The swiftboaters? Of course that was ok

Now that the left is playing hardball the right is upset.

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poll one week after the RNC convention, then come back.

BTW, how do you know if those people are Hillary supporters? They have Hillary tattooed on their foreheads? Did the voting polls keep their names?This is like Republicans for Obama. And Black Republicans for McCain.

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Soravia wrote:BTW, how do you know if those people are Hillary supporters? They have Hillary tattooed on their foreheads? Did the voting polls keep their names?This is like Republicans for Obama. And Black Republicans for McCain.
They ask them if they were Hillary supporters.

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That's VERY reliable Poll.

'Hi Mam, we're trying to see the support for Mr. Obama among former Hillary supporters. Are you a former Hillary supporter?'

(polls probably conducted in NC, SC, GA) LoL

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No, it's more like "who did you vote for in the primary?" (Hillary.)Who would you vote for it the election were today?" (Obama.)

It's been historically accurate.

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AZhitman wrote:Then again, women who supported Hillary aren't exactly what I'd have called "brilliant", so they may miss the entire importance of this issue.
Wow. So you know them all personally and well, do ya, Greg? And if those same individuals who were supporting Hillary listen to what Lieberman said last night and put their support to the McCain/Palin ticket, will they STILL not be what you'd have called "brilliant"?

It's nice to know that your fundamental definition of capability and/or intellect goes no further than whether they subscribe to your political idiology or not.

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telcoman wrote:This is not going to stop until she resigns?
Typical hate site ... does not know when to give up?
telcoman wrote:Now that the left is playing hardball the right is upset.
The left's approach to hardball is to physically attack convention delegates. Sorry, that is not "hardball", that is called "sleazeball".

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The left's approach to hardball is to physically attack convention delegates. Sorry, that is not "hardball", that is called "sleazeball".

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I thought you were above such generalizations and hyperbole.

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rn79870 wrote: I thought Palin's appointment was designed to woo Hillary's supporters?
You thought that erroneously. Thus all your following analysis is misguided. Palin was brought on for much more than being a woman. The dems continued dismisal of women as nothing more than a marketing tool is going to come back to bite them in november.

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Obama didn't win these voters over. Dems vote blindly for their party, not for who they feel is the better candidate.

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There is a certain element of any party that will do that. It's the undecideds and non-affiliated voters you have to watch; they are more likely to vote their hearts.

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themadscientist wrote:
You thought that erroneously. Thus all your following analysis is misguided. Palin was brought on for much more than being a woman. The dems continued dismisal of women as nothing more than a marketing tool is going to come back to bite them in november.
Psssstttt...remember Palins comment in her speech. A comment about 18 million cracks and how they.....(that was a reference to the 18million votes Clinton had that they wanted) And you say the dems failed, when 81% of those votes have gone to Obama? Bite them in Nov...I suspect it will bite them on Oct 2nd. when Lady Sarah gets an introduction to one of the real shakers and movers with real experience. She's toast.

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what are you doing here, I heard a lib site run out of some guy's mom's basement has found crucial evidence linking her to using two coupons on one purchase back it 98'. Get over there pronto, you want to be up on the "latest news "

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The lib blogs are in when will she resign mode. I read that Vegas is even accepting odds on it now. That's too bad though, it's like the reps decided to run a three legged horse in the derby.

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RN, Obama's higher (or should I say lower) experience of lying is nothing to be proud of.
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Psssstttt...remember Palins comment in her speech. A comment about 18 million cracks and how they.....(that was a reference to the 18million votes Clinton had that they wanted) And you say the dems failed, when 81% of those votes have gone to Obama? Bite them in Nov...I suspect it will bite them on Oct 2nd. when Lady Sarah gets an introduction to one of the real shakers and movers with real experience. She's toast.

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rn79870 wrote:I thought you were above such generalizations and hyperbole.
You are correct! My apologies.

I should have said:

Some extreme elements in the left's approach to hardball is to physically attack convention delegates. Sorry, that is not "hardball", that is called "sleazeball".

One difference: I apologize for and correct my mistakes - including those that may be misinterpreted because I did not speak correctly or accurately.

Can you do the same?

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