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I fixed a bunch of crap on the car over the winter and in the process upgraded to ID2000 injectors. My 1000's were on the ragged edge of 100% duty cycle so I wanted to give myself some headroom. I didn't make any other "power" related changed except the addition of a GM boost control solenoid. This coming winter I am looking to build an engine for this car so if anyone has or knows of a good RB26 short/long block for sale please let me know! I went up to Sound Performance yesterday and spun the rollers over.

I don't think any microphone can do justice to what this thing sounds like at full song....its ear piercing

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER7bVY3sx6o[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j36vN8ljEI0[/youtube]

At a little over 30psi the car made ~770rwhp and ~645 ft/lbs. We went for 35 psi but it mis-fired a few times and we ran out of time to adjust the dwell settings. I kind of battled the car getting hot all day which made for a little pain but all in all I am happy with the car.

Here's a dyno chart of the run before it made 770 (the 770 run we didn't monitor torque so I didnt take the print out) and a surprise that was waiting for me when I got home tonight

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Here's a chart showing the 770 pull vs the 35 psi pull. You can see on the blue line (35psi) it was making 50-60rwhp more than 30 psi at the 108mph mark but started misfiring around the 115mph mark (no RPM signal so no torque values)

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One of the biggest undertakings over the winter was I painted the engine bay. I pulled everything out and did it right - Used a single stage PPG in superwhite. I think it turned out great after doing a bit of house cleaning

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great job, i just love it please have my children lol

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Nice numbers! And now that I'm in Chicago, we should get together some time. My brother is in Peoria too, so I make it "down state" every now and then.

What fuel pump are you running BTW?

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Darius wrote:Nice numbers! And now that I'm in Chicago, we should get together some time. My brother is in Peoria too, so I make it "down state" every now and then.

What fuel pump are you running BTW?
Right on

Its an aeromotive eliminator with an aeromotive FPC. If I could do the fuel system over again I would probably have gone with a mangafuel system that keeps a prime. The elminator does not, forcing you to mount the pump below the sump level. If I went with a mangafuel I could probably have ran the pump somewhere behind the back bumper. I may still end up doing it because I don't like having the pump hang that low.

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The Fuelab pump I have (41402) can draw a suction lift out of the tank in case you hadn't considered that.

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How much lift does it have (IE - how high above the fuel level can you get it) and how long does it take for fuel pressure to build?

If I was going to spend the time/money to change that part of the fuel system I wold want something that has a check build in so it holds pressure. Does the prodigy pump only have ability to lift but not hold? I do like the fuel lab pumps because I have an extra PWM output on my AEM so I could control the pump instead of needing to run a pump controller

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Great stuff Andy, glad she's pulling strong.

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I always enjoy your threads, hats off to you and that stock block for making awesome power, looks like you could go 9's!

I'm assuming your still using pump E85?

What turbo are you using on that thing? i remember reading Borg Warner..

I would like to see what a Single throttle body intake manifold would do on your setup... you should twist Ricky's arm at Raw Brokerage and see if hes willing to give you a sweet deal on one, counting on you testing it on the dyno..

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9's would be awesome but its not really on my radar this year. I kinda went back to the basics and fixed a ton of stuff on the car this year. My old sparco seats never had a provision for a sub-belt so I was technically "illegal" as far as safety goes. I upgraded to black suede corbeau forza's and also recovered all my interior pieces in new black suede too. In the process I replaced the dash, door panels and brought every factory interior piece up to mint condition, new shift boots, new CD/Bluetooth setup, new speakers, the works!

I also added power steering to the car and completely resprayed the engine bay. My plan is to repaint the rest of the car this year at some point and then go built motor next year.

I have been in talks with some higher profile people and there is a possibility of a 10.0:1 C/R RB30 setups that may be in the works!

I have yet to see any back to back testing of the stock plenum/ITB's vs an aftermarket plenum and big TB - would be interesting to see how power adjusts

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rb30 you'll see that torque jump 100+.

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From what I have been seeing on supraforums, the 10.0:1 option is the way to go if you strictly run E85. Guys are getting away with it no problem on pump gas as long as they have an ECU with a well defined timing/knock strategy (not AEM.) But since I'm only running E85 and I don't really DD this car I see no option not to go higher compression That was the one thing that's always been disappointing is the low end grunt it has ,especially driving all of the normal 300ZX's I do. Would be nice to fix that...

Anyone have a lead on an RB30 block?

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Booztd 3 wrote:From what I have been seeing on supraforums, the 10.0:1 option is the way to go if you strictly run E85. Guys are getting away with it no problem on pump gas as long as they have an ECU with a well defined timing/knock strategy (not AEM.) But since I'm only running E85 and I don't really DD this car I see no option not to go higher compression That was the one thing that's always been disappointing is the low end grunt it has ,especially driving all of the normal 300ZX's I do. Would be nice to fix that...

Anyone have a lead on an RB30 block?
This is the direction Larry at SP has been pushing the supra guys too. If I could do it all over again, I'd do a 10:1 RB26/30 on E85.

As for the Fuelab pump, mine is mounted at the same height as the tank lid and draws a suction lift through the stock pickup location via a -10AN line and Fuelab's SS sock.It primes without any trouble and only starts to make a different sound when the tank gets around 1/8th full. I just keep the tank more full than that. I do have a check valve/microfilter up near the firewall. It doesn't hold pressure, but the pump primes at the turn of the key every time.

With all that said, if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't jerk around with the stock fuel tank at all. I would put in a fuel cell, position the pump where you want it and be DONE with it. It is not that difficult and you won't go through the headaches of dealing with the stock tank arrangement. Was the 1504HP 2JZ S14 still there when you did your tuning?

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It was dusty and had a bunch of crap written into the dust, but it was sitting right next to the dyno. Wanted to look under the hood

This is the thread that got me thinking

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showth ... r-900-RWHP

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A fuel cell would be sweet, but I want to be able to drive the thing somewhere without having to fill up 100 times.

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Andy, hit me up regarding the RB30 :cool:

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Nice numbers, great looking engine bay. Very clean and tasteful.

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Pay attention to how hot your Brake Master Reservoir is getting...mine just melted and fluid caught fire would hate to see that nice engine bay ruined.

Props on the Z! I miss my Z32

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TimTurboZ wrote:Pay attention to how hot your Brake Master Reservoir is getting...mine just melted and fluid caught fire would hate to see that nice engine bay ruined.

Props on the Z! I miss my Z32
Had this happen on my RB25 S13 making about 500. Was not fun, made a mess of the engine bay.

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Been running the same downpipe and dump configuration for the entire time the car has been put together with no issues so far!

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Is your downpipe ceramic coated or just plain SS? Temp cycling the plastic can lead to fatigue failure not just from it getting hot enough to melt, so it might not be a bad idea to look at getting the DP and turbo exhaust housing coated.

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Honestly, the reservoir melting is the last thing on my mind. That whole assembly was replaced a few years ago so its brand new and anytime I've ever been in the engine bay after running the car that area is not hot.

Surprised you guys are nit-picking at a brake fluid reservoir when there's a wire mesh screen used as an air filter, lol

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LOL touche :spitout:

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What base fuel pressure were you running with the ID1000's? Just curious to find out what my limit will be on e85 as well (dual 044's / -8AN feed / dual entry rail).

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I actually have 2000's

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Booztd 3 wrote:I actually have 2000's
I meant when you were running the 1000cc's before the ID2000's. I'm just trying to gauge what my fuel ceiling will be. Killer car btw, I wish i could have an engine bay that mean/clean!

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I was running non ID injectors before, just some titan motorsports 1000's

I would say at a base pressure of 45psi they were good for ~700-750rwhp on E85

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Raw Brokerage posted your car on FB lol

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TimTurboZ wrote:Raw Brokerage posted your car on FB lol
And now it has 800 hp! :chuckle:

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Darius wrote:
TimTurboZ wrote:Raw Brokerage posted your car on FB lol
And now it has 800 hp! :chuckle:

Its dyno dependent :)

Not that I really get wrapped up in dyno numbers (all I care about is trap speed) but SP did some testing and a local dynojet read 5% higher than SP'd mustang dyno (mustangs typically read lower) - which would put mine about 805 :)

I'll actually know in a few weeks what it will make on a dynojet

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sooooo legit


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