6MT A/C vs 06 Auto G35 (race)

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

so my friend got a used 2006 g35 coupe with 40K miles this week and is challenging me to a race..yea i said it-a street race lol but really theres a road where no one ever goes and its completely safe..but anyway he has it in auto and with my 3.5 in 6MT im pretty sure i can take him and ive seen a few videos of the a/c winning before so it makes me feel a little more confident..what do u guys think will be the result? thanks

p.s. im not sure on how long the road is exactly but ive test ran it a few times and i think i get up to around 80-90 towards the end

Modified by 6SpdAltima_Coupe at 9:20 PM 5/6/2009
Modified by 6SpdAltima_Coupe at 9:26 PM 5/6/2009

[MorningViewCoupe]

Depends...What year is the G?

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

2006 and no mods

[EzeebMOS3]

I raced a G prbly 06-07 with rims couldnt tell if he had any mods.... I kept right up with him and prbly could have passed him if a car didnt pull into my lane!

I have an 08 coupe cvt exhaust intake pulley rims/tires few other mods

[Hussain]

i beat a G35 coupe auto before i got my cut-out.... not sure what year it was though..... im going to say the race will come down to 2 things, how good you can drive AND how heavy your 20" rims are..... most likely you will win tho

[Kango]

I also raced a G. It was the earlier model with VQ35DE engine and it was a auto. By 90mph... I was in front of him by half car length. Oh and I drive cvt.

By the way... I dont know which engine your friends car has. VQ35DE or HR engine. DE is 280HP abd HR is around 300HP with slightly less torque.

::EDIT:: Ahh... i just did little research... your friends car has VQ35HR engine with 298HP and 260 ft-lbs.. This should be a interesting race.

[MorningViewCoupe]

If he has the DE version you should win. But if he has the HR version i say he wins. And since your running 20's depends on how heavy those things are..

[Rob.Vegan]

I raced a turbo charged G once in my 2.5 and I am uber happy to say I won

It was not a smart decision but he kept speeding by me and slowing down so I took the bait for shis and giggles. Come to find out I am better at predicting traffic, he got stuck behind a semi and I pulled out in front

[rjdmmfl1]

I raced a turbo charged G once in my 2.5 and I am uber happy to say I won

It was not a smart decision but he kept speeding by me and slowing down so I took the bait for shis and giggles. Come to find out I am better at predicting traffic, he got stuck behind a semi and I pulled out in front

that's not a race...

I also raced a G. It was the earlier model with VQ35DE engine and it was a auto. By 90mph... I was in front of him by half car length. Oh and I drive cvt.

By the way... I dont know which engine your friends car has. VQ35DE or HR engine. DE is 280HP abd HR is around 300HP with slightly less torque.

::EDIT:: Ahh... i just did little research... your friends car has VQ35HR engine with 298HP and 260 ft-lbs.. This should be a interesting race.

OK, trying to get accurate information on the G35, and many cars during this time is not as easy as it may seem... in 2006, when they updated the SAE standards, it appeared that many vehicles lost horsepower, when in actuality, many were just slightly overrating their horsepower...

In actuality, the 2003-2006 automatic G35's didn't change their power, although it appeard that they went from 280 HP in 2006 to 275 HP in 2007, in actuality, it was always 275 HP. The manuals claimed 298hp in 2005, 2006, and 2007 when in actuality, they were really 293Hp

SOOO to the OP... you have a manual A/C at 270 hp stock, vs a 2006 G35 with no mods, at 275 HP stock... due to the fact that you have a manual and that your car is lighter, IF YOU CAN DRIVE, you should win this race everytime. This has been proven on the track and on the street. POWERWISE, the G35 compared to the A/C fails , well for the automatics at least!

[DAAN.]

Let us know of the result

Also some months ago someone was inquiring about a race against Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ... haven't heard the result to that one

[Beak]

i agree with you dude. basically the way i see it is the first couple year a car is in production, power will be slightly higher than later models. BUT not all the time. they try to improve gasmilage ect. make me glad i have an 08 as oposed to maybe a 2010. its almost like the early models are the test rats.

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

Let us know of the result

Also some months ago someone was inquiring about a race against Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ... haven't heard the result to that one

yea ill let u guys know the result this weekend..probably gona race him 2maro night..im excited to rep us altimas!

[Beak]

you will take him

[mcheddadi]

yea ill let u guys know the result this weekend..probably gona race him 2maro night..im excited to rep us altimas!

for more chances of wining put your 17 stockers back on if they are lighter than your aftermarket rims. less rotating mass = better acceleration

[DAAN.]

as well as fold your mirrors to reduce drag while you're at it

[Kango]

dont forget spare tire in your trunk! lol also run your gas tank almost dry to save weight

[lilojoj]

for more chances of wining put your 17 stockers back on if they are lighter than your aftermarket rims. less rotating mass = better acceleration

as well as fold your mirrors to reduce drag while you're at it

dont forget spare tire in your trunk! lol also run your gas tank almost dry to save weight

...dont forget the floor mats

...and take off your shoes

...and go to the gym too for a couple extra lbs weight reduction

LOL jk

good luck!

[Rob.Vegan]

...Take out all your seats

[lilojoj]

...Take out all your seats

LOL

[Beak]

not too dry tho cuz then you loose power

[Chuck2417]

Ok the 2006 G35 6spd has the HR engine with 298hp. Then automatic has 280HP. But his car also weights more than yours. He will have the advantage off the line with rear wheel drive, however you have the advantage in being a 6spd. My prediction is you will win, but it will be close.

[Kango]

Oh thats right!!! 6MT and 5AT had different HP! I forgot about that!.

You'll win.

Just do all that weight reducing techniques especially the removal of all seats. lol j/k

[Pawn]

I predict you both lose.

[rjdmmfl1]

Ok the 2006 G35 6spd has the HR engine with 298hp. Then automatic has 280HP. But his car also weights more than yours. He will have the advantage off the line with rear wheel drive, however you have the advantage in being a 6spd. My prediction is you will win, but it will be close.

That's not correct... the 2006 G35 still had the VQ35DE engine, they just had the VQ35DE rev-up engine.... THe VQ35HR did not become available until it was introfduced in the 2007 G35 Sedan, and in the 2007 350Z.

aso, horsepower in automatic G35's did NOT change from 2003-2007... what said 280 was actually really 275.. read my post above...

[Chuck2417]

That's not correct... the 2006 G35 still had the VQ35DE engine, they just had the VQ35DE rev-up engine.... THe VQ35HR did not become available until it was introfduced in the 2007 G35 Sedan, and in the 2007 350Z.

aso, horsepower in automatic G35's did NOT change from 2003-2007... what said 280 was actually really 275.. read my post above...

I don't want to start a fight here, just all the sources telling me this...I was looking into buying one of those when I got the a/c. If you look at any reviews and credible car sources they list different HP for the automatic and the standards. There were differences with the cars engines. They changed in 2007 for all cars producing 306HP. I don't know where your getting your numbers that the engine did not change from 03-07. This is from wikipedia:"A 6-speed manual transmission became available in 2003 as a 2003 model on the sedan (the coupe always had the option). For the 2003-04 model years, the V6 produced 195 kW (265 PS; 261 hp) and 350 N·m (258 lb·ft) of torque in the sedan, 210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) and 365 N·m (269 lb·ft) in the coupe. However, owners of various G35 enthusiast groups have shown that the engine in the sedan produces nearly the same amount of power as the coupe. In the 2005 and 2006 model years, those with automatic transmissions (both sedan and coupe) produced 210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) and 365 N·m (269 lb·ft) of torque, while those with manual transmissions produced 222 kW (302 PS; 298 hp) and 350 N·m (258 lb·ft) of torque (again, both in sedan and coupe form)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti_G35

[beeristasty]

This is just an observation, but you can't always trust what is written on wikipedia. It may well be correct, but I'd find a second source to verify.

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

just for the reccord..wikipedia is not always 100 percent correct..

BUT anyway...I BEAT HIM!!! we did a best 2 out of 3 and i smoked him the first 2 races!!! well not really smoked him..but i got up to like 105 mph on the course so i beat him by like a full car legnth both times..u should hav seen the look on his face haha i got those perfect shifts on lock..go altima coupes!

[Chuck2417]

This is just an observation, but you can't always trust what is written on wikipedia. It may well be correct, but I'd find a second source to verify.

I am a student, I do know that you can't trust everything that you read on the internet. Also I have used multiple sources. Here is another one:

http://www.infinitihelp.com/mo...s.htm

http://www.canadiandriver.com/...e.php

If I am wrong I will have no problem admitting it. But everything that I have seen for the 2006 has said there is a difference of 18hp with the auto and 6spd. If there is a source that says otherwise can someone post it?

Good job on the win!

[rjdmmfl1]

I am a student, I do know that you can't trust everything that you read on the internet. Also I have used multiple sources. Here is another one:

http://www.infinitihelp.com/mo...s.htm

http://www.canadiandriver.com/...e.php

If I am wrong I will have no problem admitting it. But everything that I have seen for the 2006 has said there is a difference of 18hp with the auto and 6spd. If there is a source that says otherwise can someone post it?

Good job on the win!

wikipedia is inaccurate... i checked there a long time ago, and their information is incomplete.... I don't mind going over this with you because I was confused for a long time also... there is a lot of misleading information out there and its hard to put it all together... let's break down the cars by transmission

G35 coupe Automatics: from 2003-2004, they used the VQ35DE engine, this was rated at 280HP... even in infinitihelp, you can see that... in 2005-2006, they used the same VQ35DE in the automatics, they were still rated at 280HP, but they now had a higher rev limit.. the rev limit increased from 6200 to 6600, just like our Vq35DE engines have in the A/C's. Now, in 2007, the SAE (Society for Automotive Engineers International) updated their guidelines which in effect caused automotive companies to be MORE ACCURATE with the release of their HP ratings. Thus, in the 2007 model automatic G35 coupes, they are listed at 275HP, not the 280 hp previously listed. This can also be observed in Infiniti help.

So at first glance, one may think that they HP of the engine went down, but this is NOT accurate. So go to the same Infiniti help link you sent me, click 2006, and then go to SPECS, you'll see 280 and 298 for auto and manual coupes... go to 2007, click specs, and you'll see 275 and 293 for auto and manual coupes...

The same phenomenon can be observed in vehicles like the Lexus SC430, which from 2005 to 2006 apeared to drop from 300HP, to 288... but the horsepower didn't change, it was always REALLY 288, had the same standards been followed in 2006 as the new standards, then they would have listed the correct value of 288.

So in essence, companies were forced to STOP overrating their engines, and be more accurate... of course this information is not plastered everywhere on the internet, because no compay wants to admit that they were fudging their numbers in the past to make their cars appear to be more powerful.

For a description of this in the Edmunds review, follow this link http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/review.html

in there, there is this paragraph

"Both sedan and coupe shared the same 3.5-liter V6, but the sedan originally made less power (260 hp with four doors, 280 with two doors). They were made even at 280 hp for 2005, and both models when equipped with the six-speed manual option got a boost to 298 hp. These horsepower numbers dropped to 293 and 275, respectively, for the '07 coupe because of a change in SAE testing procedures -- actual output did not, in fact, change."

hopefully this clears things up a bit

information about the "Rev Up " engine is also not as clear. For on infinitihelp, they have even the 2003 and 2004 engines being 6600 RPM, while this review back at the time that the vehicle came out

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...00427

clearly shows that the max RPM on that engine was 6200.

Again, if you look at one place, you will not get all the answers, this all confused me just as much as it is confusing you right now... but the accurate numbers are there, if you are willing to dig for it... here's another excercise for you... try finding accurate 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers for the G35 coupe with automatic transmission!


Modified by rjdmmfl1 at 12:02 PM 5/9/2009

[DAAN.]

sounds good. so 2008 altima beat 2006 g35

now let's see the results for the altima versus pontiac Grand Prix GTP. My money was on the GTP as it's got plenty of torque due to the Supercharger